phil schneider: Is this proof ?

I just watch a copy of Phil Schneider at Expo 1995 and he had some pretty interesting stuff to say and show !. First of he held up a photo that he said contains a alien called val vallient four. Phil goes on to say that this alien works with the US army and has a life span of 490 years and has a cooper-oxcide for blood. Then he talks about these metals that are not from this planet, which he has samples to boot. Element 140# that is mined in space and used on stealth technology, Is this guy another Bob lazar ?. Has anyone ever tested his metal samples ?

Helium3

He sounds somewhat remotely familiar, but thanks to getting this to our attention.

Any links or anything? otherwise i'll dig some up...

Phil Schneider

Ahhh, the Dulce Wars, that's why he sounds familiar...

[edit on 20/11/2005 by GrOuNd_ZeRo]

I wish I could believe people but you know after so many hoaxes exposed you become jaded. I'd love to believe this guy but I find no truth in "dulce wars"

interesting read though not totally going to dismiss him but I wont be joining any ufo cults any time soon

Hello

Check this thread : www.abovetopsecret.com...

There was a member who said he was a close friend of Phil Schneider. btw it seems that this member has been banned from ATS since.

I have gotten to the point that when a name pops up concerning Dulce, Philedelphia Experiment, Montauk etc. and that name is associated with Al Bielek, it goes straight to the 'Not To Be Believed' Pile.

I'm not saying that these things don't / didn't happen, in fact, I really think something went on at Montauk regarding mind control and time experiments, but the things that Al Bielek states are really a bit too much.

"Phil Schneider, a very brave man, recently lost his life due to what appeared to be a military-style execution in January 1996. He supposedly "committed suicide" by wrapping either (according to various reports) piano wire or a rubber hose around his neck. According to some sources, he had been brutally tortured repeatedly before being killed. Phil Schneider was an ex-government engineer who was involved in building underground bases. He was one of three people to survive the 1979 fire fight between the large Greys and U.S. intelligence and military forces at Dulce underground base.

In May 1995, Phil Schneider did a lecture on what he had discovered. Seven months later he was tortured and killed by those for whom he had previously worked. This man's final acts should not go unnoticed."

Whats your take on this, just curious............

Maybe it would be interesting to if we did some research on this subject and try to get a hold of police records and such so we can rule out suicide.

If he did get executed by the government, it would add ALOT to his story.

Has anyone got a video link, to see the video, not just the audio?

So why do people not believe the Dulce, philadelphia experiment?

If u listen to the last part of the second bit of audio.
He talks about how this alien weapon injured half his ribs, but then he talks about a G10 license plate following him, shooting 43 bullets in his car, and he survived.
Then he apparently commits suicide???
Seems strange, have people debunked this guy?


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[edit on 22-11-2005 by sanctum]

Originally posted by Denied
So why do people not believe the Dulce, philadelphia experiment?

Obviously I can’t speak for everyone, but I actually do believe that there is something to the Philadelphia Experiment and Dulce stories. But I do not think it is anything as extreme as what people associated with Al Bielek are stating.

When I first joined ATS, I was really into researching Montauk and the claims as to what went on there. But the more I researched; it appeared that most people making wild claims were somehow associated with Al Bielek.

I stumbled on this website: bielek-debunked.com - which, as the title suggests, pointed out many false statements made by Al Bielek. Because of this, I pretty much don’t believe what people associated with Al Bielek say because it so often seems that they are simply repeating what Al Bielek has told them.

I think this may be why many people don’t believe in Dulce or the Philedelphia Experiment – How you can believe what is being said if the person making the statements has been making false personal claims.

But, like I said, I do believe that there is something to Philadelphia, Montauk, Dulce etc. There always seems to be just on or two things that stand out. In regards to Montauk, this still holds my interest as I found that there is a plaque on the Montauk Radar that reads ‘Philadelphia’ (more details in this thread - www.abovetopsecret.com... - if your interested).

Edit: Spelling

[edit on 11/21/2005 by DCFusion]

Originally posted by helium3
First of he held up a photo that he said contains a alien called val vallient four.

Reminds me of the story of an alien that supposedly came and met President Dwight D. Eisenhower. His name was Val (Valient) Thor.

Jill, Donn, and Val Thor

I once heard of a book called strangers in the Pentagon, which talked about an extra-terrestrial council. Three Venusians: Jill, Donn and Valiant Thor landed in Virginia in 1957. They were apprehended by Police officers and were escorted to Washington D.C. to speak with the Secretary of defense. Soon police from every conceivable district and agency had joined in, all trying to claim their right to escort them to President Dwight D. Eisenhower. Val Thor was the commander of a spaceship with a crew of about 200. It was believed that his ship eventually ended up in the Lake Mead area before it disappeared below the surface. Nixon allegedly met Val Thor. A man named Frank Stranges claims that he keps contact with Valiant and Crew.

clydelewis.com...

You can Google fvor other info, but I have never found and info to make this even close to credible.

[edit on 21-11-2005 by ZeddicusZulZorander]

Originally posted by ZeddicusZulZorander

Reminds me of the story of an alien that supposedly came and met President Dwight D. Eisenhower. His name was Val (Valient) Thor.

Spooky.....

I have both videos. I CANNOT BELIEVE no one has seen them . phil schneider has a half burnt of hand that looks as if it has not healed since the 1979 fire fight between the large Greys and U.S. intelligence . whats left is black-ish stumps. Not to mention the hole in his chest. How can i make screen grabs on real player ?. Cause i will post some



[edit on 21-11-2005 by helium3]

Post video please!!! Thank you!

Is there video of his 1995 lecture? Please post any video!

[edit on 21-11-2005 by meshuggah1324]

Can i ? Would i be breaking any ATS rules ?. If not i will post the 2 lectures videos when i get home from work. There is the 95 one meshuggah1324 you are after and one that was filmed just after he was shot in the shoulder.

PS: anyone now where i can upload files like rapidshare but files over 50MB ?

Please post up, i think this is very interesting......

"A Small Introduction

Intro by Cynthia Drayer

My name is Cynthia Drayer, I live in Portland, Oregon, and I am the ex-wife of Philip Schneider. Philip and I met in 1986, were married in Carson City, Nevada, and had a daughter, Marie, in 1987. We were divorced in 1990 and lived in separate residences. Philip lived in an apartment complex in Wilsonville, Oregon. On 1/17/1996 I received a call that Philip was dead in his apartment and apparently had died up to a week before his body was discovered. At the time of the removal of his body, his cause of death was by a stroke. When I went to the funeral home I had feelings of discomfort about his death. I asked to view the body, but due to decomposition, the funeral director suggested otherwise. I wanted to be sure, in my own mind,. that Philip had not died under "unnatural causes". For the last two years of his life, Philip had been on the "lecture tour" throughout the United States, talking out about government coverups. You name it, he was talking about it: Aliens (treaties and abductions), UFO's, the One World Government, Black Budgets, Underground Mountain Bases, CIA involvement in civilian murders and drugs, Stealth technology, the Philadelphia Experiment, Operation Crossroads (Bikini Island A-bomb experiments), Dulce Fire Fight, the Oklahoma bombing, the World Trade Center bombing, missing children, Gunderson Freight Cars, the opening of concentration camps and Marshal Law/UN involvement, man-made viruses and earthquakes, etc.etc.

A day later, I received a call from the Clackamas County Detectives, that the funeral director had found "something" around Philip's neck. An autopsy was performed at the Multnomah County Medical Examiner's office (in Portland, Oregon) by Dr. Gunson, and she determined that Philip had committed suicide by wrapping a rubber cathater hose three times around his neck, and half-knotting it in front. There are several reasons why I believe that Philip did not commit suicide, but was murdered:

1. There was no suicide note.

2. Philip always told his friends and relatives, that if he ever "committed suicide" you would know that he had been murdered.

3. From a number of sources, including his taped lectures (video and audio), and statements to his friends, and the borrowing of a 9mm gun, Philip felt that he and his family were being threatened and were in danger because of his lecutres.

4. All of his lecture materials, alien metals, higher math books, photographs of UFO's coming out of the Operation Crossroad A-Bomb, notes for his book on the alien agenda, were missing. (Everything else in the apartment was still there, including gold coins, wallet with hundreds of dollars, jewelry, mineral specimens, etc.)

5. No coroner ever came out to his apartment after his body was found (against Oregon Law) - and a police investigation never took under consideration that items were missing from his apartment - it was considered a suicide, plain and simple

6. The medical examiner took blood and urine samples at the autopsy but REFUSED to analyse them, saying that the county would not "waste their money on a suicide". Although I was assurred that the samples would be kept for 12 months, when I asked for these samples to be sent to an independant lab 11 months later they were "missing" and presumed "destroyed".

7. Philip had missing fingers on his left hand, and limited motion in his shoulders. I believe that it was physically impossible for Philip to have held the rubber hose in his left hand with missing fingers and then wrap the hose three times with shoulders that had limited motion. In order to end up where his body was, he had to sit on the edge of his bed, wrap the hose around his neck, slowly and painfully strangle to death, and fallen head first into a wheel chair.

8. Philip was an expert in chemicals and his own medical needs. He had mutiple pills at hand that could have ended his life quickly and painlessly. He also had a 9mm gun that he had borrowed to protect himself. Why strangle himself in such an unusual manner?

9. Philip was very religious, and did not believe in suicide. He had intense chronic pain all of the time I knew him. At the time of his death, he was on disability, had a housekeeper, and had cancer. The operation to help him with his back pain did not aleviate the pain and he had brittle bone syndrome (osteoperosis). He struggled every day, not to die, but to live. He felt that these lectures he gave was making a difference, and was looking forward to giving more. In fact he was scheduled for another lecture tour that started 1/16/96 in Tampa, Florida. He had just found a friend who was going to help him write a book about the New World Order, and he was enjoying his time with his daughter.

10. Philip was undergoing "injections" of "Beta Serone" every week in an experiment to stop his mutiple sclerosis. After his death I contacted the only agency that conducted these experiments to obtain his medical record (OHSU). They had never heard of him, and he was not a part of their experiments. This would suggest people unknown were injecting him on a weekly basis with an unknown substance. He often times called me after these "shots" to tell me that he was too sick for his daughter to come and visit. I believe that the shots that Philip thought were being given to him to help him back to health, were actually being given to him to make him sick.

11. Philip was seen with an "unknown blonde haired woman" for several months before his death. Several times this same individual was seen or talked about and her mysterious presence only leads one to wonder if she had anything to do with his "suicide".

12. Several people with psychic abilities have indicated that Philip did not commit suicide, but was murdered (some say by 5 people: 4 men and 1 woman, 4 directly and one by taking out a "contract"."

Didnt know his friend had died in similar circumstances.

"Eleven of my best friends in the last 22 years have been murdered. Eight of the murders were called " suicides."

Sorry for all the reposts but just read this too.......
Does all this not sound odd.??

yeah even if people don't take his word in what he worked so hard to get out...the aftermath of all of it is very suspicious and shouldn't be ignored I'd say

"What should we make of his claims?


Although Philip Schneider was an expert in his work, his arguments are clearly not backed up by any appropriate evidence. Because of his lack of proof, and far fetched stories it is not unfair to suggest that Schneider was simply indulging in a collection of fairy tails cooked up in the back of his mind. There are three possibilities:
1. Schneider was telling the complete and utter truth
2. Schneider believed that what he was saying actually happened when it really didn't
3. Schneider deliberately hoaxed the entire thing

If we take point 1 into consideration first, it is clear, as mentioned before, that none of Schneider's stories are not backed up by evidence outside of his own expertees and it is not backed up by anyone who shared similar experiences with him - we should question why Schneider was the only survivor during the exchange of fire between the Grays and the humans in Mexico. If Schneider told people he was the only survivor, then there would be no one alive to confirm his story. Point 1 seems the least likely of all three.

Now, it is also possible that Schneider himself believed what he said, even though it might not have happened. Some of you would argue that this is not how a rational, honest person could behave. However, Schneider had certain health concerns which are relevant at this point in time.
He had Brittle Bone Syndrome, hundreds of shrapnel scars, a plate in his head with a metal fragment in his brain, fingers missing from his left hand, a scar that ran from his throat to his abdomen, learning disabilities and probably most significantly in this argument, he aquired brain damage after a bomb was dropped on his head while working as a civilian structural engineer in Vietnam.

It is very possible that given these unfortunate circumstances, Schneider's own mind was not how it should have been, and he inadvertantly created these fairy tails, believing they truedly happened.

For the final point, some might ask why Schneider might deliberately lie about his past to so many people. Firstly, there is a degree of capital to be made from these sorts of stories. Secondly, Schneider was in the last few months of his death. Perhaps Schneider secretly knew that his cancer was not picked up from some alien weapon, but from radiation he had been exposed to from studying rocks/tunnels in his lifetime. He was a geologist afterall. Moreover, Schneider may have believed that the government was reponsible for his death (he was employed by them), and by telling the world an array of astonishing, convincing stories, he wished to deliver a blow to federal government. But why would he commit suicide? As mentioned, Schneider was coming up to the final months of his life. In his lectures he spoke of how he had been threatened by government officials, as had his wife if he spoke about his past. It is very possible that Schneider killed himself, but intended that his legion of followers believed he was murdered. This obviously would authenticate his story.

I'll leave it up to you to make your own decision."

So did he kill himself...??

Here is the Tribute website that former ATS member "Scroll_Lock" linked to, in the thread i mentionned above : Tribute to Philip Schneider