Billy Meier called the New Nostradamus!?!?

I think they're good enough to start a religion.
Where do I send my check?

LoL yeah, that is why I posted the link because I thought some meiers
followers might jump into saying that he was unsure. LoL seems to me he
thinks its so worthless than its not even worth mentioning it.

Note: Im reading the so called "Contacts Notes" omg! If you really read carefully, there are so many contradictions that Meier makes in his own work that I don't know where to start. geez!

If J.R. wouldn't tell us in advance that those were fake pics........

Hey JR is this one of your pals from PAR?

But after independent, open-minded photo observation on my part, considering originals prints from Switzerland as well as ‘bootleg’ sources over a period of years

And just how did you happen to come into possesion of things that don't exist? May I suggest that IF you have access to those materials you turn them over to someone capable of conducting real analysis(Dr. Macabee perhaps).

Call me an amateur or even a moron

If the shoe fits.

speaking as an experienced and devote science-fiction movie fan of course.

That's your expertise? That qualifies as bona fides to investigate UFO cases?
I wish I'd known that sooner I wouldn't have wasted my time actually going out and doing field investigations and just stayed home and watched movies.
(ya shoulda just took a picture of a saucer on tv JR)

It seems the experts on this board here, on BOTH sides, can’t demonstrate one way or the other if these ships are models or real spacecraft

See below.

my observation skills

See above.

Very good FX, unless ya told me I would very much consider real. However, yours look like silver paint.

But the Meier Cake beamship close-ups look much better than jewelry

Dude stop bogartin and pass it here.

Originally posted by longhaircowboy

That's your expertise? That qualifies as bona fides to investigate UFO cases?

Are you kidding??? Who says I'm a UFO investigator? I'm just a "Star Wars" fan with passion for 'go-pods'. As an ordinary citizen, can't I have a solid opinion about the Meier pics?

I thought about joining PAR, but this site seemed cooler. A real freezer alright.....

No I'm not kidding. And if I seem a tad cold it's cause I take UFOlogy seriously. I've invested alot of my own time and money in it as has JR and many others.
The tone of your post led me to think you thought you had special insight cause you enjoy sci-fi.
Of course your opinion is welcome just don't couch it in terms that make it appear your love of science fiction qualifies you to judge the photo evidence better than a true image specialist.
By all means contribute but go back and read the entire thread so we're all on the same page.
Btw welcome aboard.

Recently a few articles by Billy Meier have been translated from German to English. These deal with alleged letters written in 1951 and 1958 to various people and governments with supposedly additional prophetic warnings.

The 1951 letter sent to governments;
www.gaiaguys.net...

The 1958 letter sent to various people and governments;
www.gaiaguys.net...

To be frank, I doubt they are authentic. The 1951 letter supposedly written by Meier at the age of 14 doesn't strike me as written in the gist of that era. The most unusual aspect about it is that the US is heavily criticised twice while they were one of those responsible for liberating Europe. Not a word is spend on the attrocities by Nazi Germany or impereal Japan, but the US is labeled as the bad guy. If you read a lot of the Meier material. those published in the 90s and onward you'll discover that he has contempt for the US. Given these circumstances I doubt the 1951 letter is authentic.

The 1958 letter again is probably again hard to verify for its authenticity. Supposedly the letter was sent to other persons but the article mentions right away that some people destroyed the letter. On a sidenote I wouldn't be surprised if those named persons have passed away by now. Checking up on that (like the TJ) would probably result in dead ends. But Meier makes many prophecies in this letter supposedly written in 1958 and surprisingly he is very specific with world events and dates. This is in stark contrast with other articles published by Meier concerning the future where he is vague and the 'chronology is deliberately mixed'. Much can be said about the 1958 letter. I see a few things such as the mentioning of a German Pope in the third millenium which Meier never mentioned in previous years (to my knowledge). This gives me the distinct impression that this "prophecy after the event".

Nice post there TerraX!

I read that he wasn't suppose to reveal the events and that he altered the
dates. So how is it that now he sent letters when they told him he couldn't
reveal them because it could alter the future for bad. What a contradiction
and also what good is it to know what's going to happen if you can't do
anything about.

"Billy must be careful not to reveal anything since it is important that all
of these events happen as they should."

I think people are focusing too much on the events he says he wrote and not on the ones he didn't. For example, why would they give him info about any Popes when they say religion is crap? Why not give him information on:

Venezuela disaster 'worst of the century'

The Red Cross says the Venezuelan floods may be Latin America's worst
natural disaster of the century and fears the final death toll may be
50,000.

There are many events he doesn't "wrote" about and that compared to the ones he did "write" about - means nothing. Look at the magnitude of that event, but they decided that's nothing. "BUT WE CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE NEXT POPE IS GOING TO BE" give me a F* brake

or wait a minute maybe he did write about it but its still non translated
lol geez! I wish someone put together a list of all the excuses that he had
used for each of the fraud discovered, they are childish.

My favorite is the excuse of the Asket and Nera photos - - lol - - omg I am
not even going to post the excuse here I think everyone knows how stupid it is already. But then again I can't resist:

"Ptaah: Oh, now I see. You really have forgotten everything, and
with certainty this is linked to your life-threatening condition at the time, including your partial amnesia. That is why you are unable to
remember many of these things."

LOL amazing! so... what else did he forget uh? amnesia now that was a
good one.

"Billy: But I do feel that this issue must be addressed if I hold
fraudulent Asket/Nera photographs, which I have been selling with
such a caption until now. If this is actually the case, they're
really going to go after me ferociously."


"Billy: How is it possible that I forgot all of this . . .

Ptaah: You know yourself how many things and facts you had to
relearn and how many other things you were unable to relearn at
all. Furthermore, your memory had been organically damaged, and
this is the reason why it cannot be as active as it was previously. Just remember the power and capabilities your consciousness possessed when it allowed you to accomplish those many astonishing feats."

1. amnesia
2. You know yourself - - how many things and facts did you have to relearn
3. Your memory had been organically damaged

So.... which one of those excuse is it going to be? lol

"Ptaah: For all these years we were not consciously aware that you
had forgotten our explanations regarding these matters, otherwise
we would have, of course, pointed them out to you at the appropriate time." But then again isn't that the same guy that suffers from
amnesia, re-learning problems, damaged memory? and with all that he is
supposed to carrier the message of human salvation?

For some "Reason" the "Intelligents" E.T.'s didn't think (knew the future?) that those photos would it impact the "mission" cough"(sales)" much.

"Semjase offers to Billy some stones he can sell - he has no money"
"They feel an obligation to other life forms to help but not to
interfere."

"B I am very surprised, for as you have explained to me that you have quite another technique for taking photographs. But now you suddenly show up with a camera just like mine."

"S (laughing) The camera is a product of your technology, which one of our
people has procured." So "she" did have a camera uh.......

"Eduard found himself locked in a clinic and under psychiatric observation.
Within a month he decided to break out. He fashioned a special key from the wooden carpet and opened the window of the bathroom. He looked down to see the concrete seven meters away. The decision had been made, he could no longer stay so he jumped, landing poorly, breaking his right foot. Although the pain was great he was committed so, climbing over a two meter fence he disappeared into a nearby forest. He could hear the dogs in the background howling as they tried to pick up his trail. He ran through the forest on his broken foot as the dogs closed in on him. He slipped and fell down a hill and rolled up on the bank of the Rhine River. Into the water he went. They wouldn't expect that. After all it was 11:00 on a cold November night." Where were his E.T.s friend? vacation?

"He remembers this time as a trial of seven hells where he more than once
came face to face with death. Upon his return to Europe he turned himself in to the authorities and was sent before the judge. He had intended to explain himself but before he was allowed to do this he found himself finishing another four and one half years in the Rheinau clinic."

Rheinau clinic = psychiatric clinic. Suddenly everything is starting to
make sense now.

Hi Manny

I recall that once a person had asked Billy Meier (by mail) why he failed to predict the Tsernobyl disaster. Meier's reply was something like that he was told about it by his contacts but due to his collapse in health (amnesia) he forgot all about it and thus didn't mention it in any of his publications. That whole story about his health breaking down, Meier forgetting important information and his ET buddies (who supposedly know everything) who didn't remind him seems like a poor excuse. I've seen other material that was also highly contradicting. In one conversation Meier's ETs admitted that they didn't fully understand the concept of deceiving or lying and therefore made some inaccurate conclusions. Quite frankly, if they're so advanced yet are unable to get to the bottom of human relations but still claim to have the truth (which they claimed on many occasions), they are incompetent to state matters in an official manner. Basically their judgement was insufficient and when you think about incorrect.

Concerning those "prophectic letters" of 1951 and 1958 this caught my attention in the 1951 letter;
7. In the course of time this letter went the way of the perishable.
I suppose that means that there aren't any copies that could confirm that it was ever actually sent out? The 1958 letter (article) also mentions that 2 people of a German UFO study group received that particular letter but destroyed it because of their religious background. Basically no corroboration there either and I strongly suspect that it would be difficult to check up on those persons because they probably passed away by now. Just like in the "discovery" of the TJ where keywitnesses are no longer alive and checking up on them again proved mighty difficult. Meier sometimes lists witnesses who made no official statement by themselves and can't be checked. He also blamed former members of his group of wrong-doing such as Hans Schutzbach who also passed away. I also suspect the photoshop employee who allegedly was under the influence of Bad ETs and who forged and inserted false photographs in Meier's material (the Asket&Nera pictures), will be difficult to check up on. (Meier never mentioned his full name.)
Typically Meier I suppose.

Check out Michael Horn's latest newsletter where he declares victory;
www.theyfly.com...

"Unfortunately, clear thinking isn’t the strong suit of many of the skeptics. About four months ago, in a move reminiscent of the failed attempts of CFI-West/IIG (www.theyfly.com... ), a professional model maker and photographer, Jeff Ritzmann, declared that he would soon duplicate (and thereby debunk) Meier’s Wedding Cake photos and video. The result of his long and arduous labors, with a cake pan and various other objects, can be seen at: www.abovetopsecret.com... (along with plenty of criticism of Meier and me from Ritzmann and his supporters)."

Rather unsurprisingly the 1958 letter is accepted as genuine by Michael Horn without the slightest hesitation;

"We are very grateful to Gaia Guys to now have the full translation of Meier’s 1958 letter to the European nations: gaiaguys.net... The extent and accuracy of this prophetic information will astonish, and quite possibly trouble, you. Please continue to check for new translations of the Meier material provided at: www.gaiaguys.net..."

But it seems Horn throws in the towl himself;

"In light of the real problems that face us today, from this point on I will waste no more time or space on the futile efforts of deluded skeptics and the failures of denial-based debunkers. To give more time to people who have nothing of value to offer is unnecessary. It’s up to you to determine the accuracy of the information and the value that the Meier case has to you in making sense of life today."

I found it seriously amusing how he negates to mention how he was dumbfounded at the fake saucer pictures I showed.

How he refused to submit Meier's to a 3rd party independant analyst. When I said I would if he did.

How he apparently got himself permenantly banned from here so he'd not have to face the music of his challenge of duplicating the photos being met. What a fake meltdown.

How he had to admit that one of his "scientists" quoted as supporting the case was selectively quoted to make it look that way. The scientist had a much different view. Caught red handed.

Whats funny is he pointed people to this thread. This one, where it happened.

You oughtta see the emails I'm getting...LOL...not one negative one.

Call me an amateur or even a moron for saying these look as professional as the best FX out there for the 1970s…or any time for that matter, speaking as an experienced and devote science-fiction movie fan of course.

Obviously you've never seen the "ray gun" pics, authenticated by Horn, of regular old five-fingered humans in silly gold jumpsuits with pvc pipe makeshift guns that make an M16 look "compact".... Or the alien ship with one of it's ball bearings missing! That's still one of my faves, and at the time, was from an official source. Such photos have been meticulously hunted down and removed of course, just as Jeff's pic of the entrance...and for good reason. But, for those of us who've seen them, it certainly leaves no doubt Meier is a fraud... I suppose you swallow the explanation that the "Asket & Nera" pics were swapped by the Swiss MIB, and we'ren't actually guests of a 70's era talk show?

Or maybe they swallow the MIB story of using a .22 cal pistol for the assasination attempt(and missing).
Anyone care to guess the standard sidearm used by assasins(government or otherwise)?
Or their marksmanship?
shees come on.

Originally posted by longhaircowboy
Or maybe they swallow the MIB story of using a .22 cal pistol for the assasination attempt(and missing).
Anyone care to guess the standard sidearm used by assasins(government or otherwise)?
Or their marksmanship?
shees come on.

Supposedly there were 21 attempts on Billy Meier's life. I don't doubt that some attempts actually took place. Meier managed to piss so many people off that some probably came looking for him. Personally I suspect that those people very highly offended by Meier's claims on religion, God and Christ. This topic has risen before but if a professional hitman was sent out (contract) then it's unlikely that such a person would miss his target. As I understand it Meier carries a weapon (Magnum) for selfprotection. There are arms availible at Meier's - FIGU's farm and just the other day I saw a picture of someone who had visited that place and another member was carrying a rifle. Weird stuff.

Originally posted by TerraX
Supposedly there were 21 attempts on Billy Meier's life. I don't doubt that some attempts actually took place.
..

Seems like his ET friends are capable of supplying him with shielding tech, but apparently unable to regrow his missing arm

Sucks doesn't it? this guy needs to take a loong and careful look at salamanders

Originally posted by Long Lance
Seems like his ET friends are capable of supplying him with shielding tech, but apparently unable to regrow his missing arm

In one of his contact notes, Meier traveled in a big mothership and met an old friend named Asket who was/is from another universe. She offered him a new (bionic) arm but Meier declined saying he couldn't on the account of his fellowmen...

Hmm..starting a religion and carrying guns....sounds like someone in Waco, hehe....

Supposedly there were 21 attempts on Billy Meier's life.

I suppose Mr. Magoo was the assassin then.... After all, this one-armed Swiss farmer surely isn't capable of faking UFO photos by himself....yet he can easily outwit and thwart 21 professional killers right?

And yet, people still swallow this horse puckey....

Originally posted by Gazrok

Call me an amateur or even a moron for saying these look as professional as the best FX out there for the 1970s…or any time for that matter, speaking as an experienced and devote science-fiction movie fan of course.

Obviously you've never seen the "ray gun" pics, authenticated by Horn, of regular old five-fingered humans in silly gold jumpsuits with pvc pipe makeshift guns that make an M16 look "compact"....

Or the alien ship with one of it's ball bearings missing! But, for those of us who've seen them, it certainly leaves no doubt Meier is a fraud... I suppose you swallow the explanation that the "Asket & Nera" pics were swapped by the Swiss MIB, and we'ren't actually guests of a 70's era talk show?

Okay.... AST subject matter EXPERT. How do you know you are definately looking at "pvc pipe"? This obvious pistol could just as easily be made of metal or even glass. I'm not claiming this is an actual alien "ray gun" nor am I claiming this to be a fraud. All I can say is that from an unbiased observation, this gun does not look to be an obvious fake. This gun could just as easily be a real laser gun.

And now you are sure we are seeing missing "ball bearings?" Really. Again, these could be just about anything overlooked -- including the structure of a real spacecraft.

And no I don't just "swallow" all the claims of this case. However, I am open minded.

So really people, who is the amateur here?

"...all too often it has happened that matters of great value to science were overlooked because the new phenomenon did not fit the accepted scientific outlook of the time." - J. Allen Hynek

Originally posted by jritzmann
I found it seriously amusing how he negates to mention how he was dumbfounded at the fake saucer pictures I showed.
How he refused to submit Meier's to a 3rd party independant analyst. When I said I would if he did.
How he apparently got himself permenantly banned from here so he'd not have to face the music of his challenge of duplicating the photos being met. What a fake meltdown.

I've had a few debates with Mr. Horn and in a figurative way, it's like wrestling a guy drenched in oil. All reasonable arguments seem to slip right off him. He twists and turns and no matter what you do, he'll declare victory in the end.

[edit on 1-4-2006 by TerraX]

This caught my attention from the PAR Yahoo club. From Michael Horn;

"From: Michael
Date: Sat Apr 1, 2006 7:34 pm
Subject: Nice graphic

Now that Ritzmann fell flat on his cake pan (funny, not even one photo of his model next to a tree, gee I wonder why?) the poor guys over at ATS have circled the wagons and have been reduced to taking pot shots at anything they can in the case. Kind of like a bunch of scared bullies trying to convince themselves of how tough they are.

Jim Deardorff sent me this link to a really excellent graphic rendering of the Wedding Cake ship, obviously better than what Betty Crocker came up with at ATS but still not close to the real deal in Meier's photos:

www.turbosquid.com...

MH"

I'll file this one under April fools joke.

Okay.... AST subject matter EXPERT. How do you know you are definately looking at "pvc pipe"? This obvious pistol could just as easily be made of metal or even glass. I'm not claiming this is an actual alien "ray gun" nor am I claiming this to be a fraud. All I can say is that from an unbiased observation, this gun does not look to be an obvious fake. This gun could just as easily be a real laser gun.

And now you are sure we are seeing missing "ball bearings?" Really. Again, these could be just about anything overlooked -- including the structure of a real spacecraft.

And no I don't just "swallow" all the claims of this case. However, I am open minded.

So really people, who is the amateur here?

While it certainly is POSSIBLE that the pics are in fact of a shy (head cropped out) alien in a gold foil jumpsuit brandishing a real laser gun, it is much more PLAUSIBLE that it is a human (head cropped out to avoid identification) holding a prop. There is certainly no video footage I'm aware of, of actually USING this laser gun, so assuming it is a prop is hardly a leap....and is actually the more logical conclusion.

FACT - Billy has stated the aliens have 6 fingers...especially in Horn's much-touted handprints on the car bit...
FACT - Those in the pics have 5 fingers. Decide for yourself.

Sure, it's POSSIBLE that the pic of the "UFO" is indeed a real interplanetary craft and the apparent missing piece is simply part of the design, but it is much more PLAUSIBLE that it is a model, due to it being of a different focus level (and thus closer to the camera) missing a ball bearing or other small round metallic object, complete with glue marks showing.

Sure, such claims can be labelled as "amateur"...but most simply call this "common sense". If you want to see a more professionally-debated thread, it's already here ("Billy Meier, Defending, Debunking, Whatever" thread) on ATS. Of course, since those at FIGU are so afraid of most of the worst photos being shown...they've invoked their copyright and had such pics removed. Now, only those who remember seeing them (or who saved them) can point them out.

So then, what are the answers for the Asket and Nera fiasco?

What are the answers for the "time travel photos" that came from a magazine?

That's the odd thing about this case. It can easily be dismissed by both professionals and amateurs alike, and yet so many remain taken in by it.

Ask yourself this. If the Pleidians really cared so damn much about this planet, why not do more than attempt to enlist Billy's help? Obviously, he isn't succeeding in the stated goals. Therefore, if you accept all of Meier's claims, you must then assume that these aliens who have mastered interstellar flight somehow cannot see the futility of using the same non-working method for over 3 or more decades! Perhaps that is the most outrageous belief in the whole case!!!