US used white phosphorus in Iraq

Originally posted by jsobecky
What do we do when they open their doors for the insurgency to come in and fire at us from their homes? Are we supposed to sit back and take it?

- I would suggest it's at that point 'we' take an honest and sober look at why we're there and see the BS we have been told (all that stuff about 'liberation' etc) for the lie it was.

Just as happened in Vietnam.
Far from being a minority against 'us' there is (as US & UK polling out there shows) a majority who want 'us' gone, who believe 'we' have made things many times worse for them and who do not feel in the least bit 'liberated'.

'Our' lunatics who (as always) simply have nothing left but to propose an ever-harder line - thereby removing whatever restraint there is to end up killing ever more of the very people we claim to be helping, as if that will 'solve' this - are simply deluding themsleves.

Like I said, it was WP this time (despite the denials) what next?
Other chemical weapons like mustard gas?
Nerve gas?
Biological weapons?
Tactical nuclear weapons?
The insanity has to stop.

Surely the point must be that when the very people you claim to be there to liberate end up not wanting your idea of liberation it's got to be time to think seriously about leaving and putting an end to the whole hellish dreadful mess as soon as possible.

[edit on 23-11-2005 by sminkeypinkey]

Originally posted by RK_Pr0t0c0l
No big deal, white phosphorous is not classified as a chemical weapon

In late February 1991, an intelligence source reported, during the Iraqi crackdown on the Kurdish uprising that followed the coalition victory against Iraq, "Iraqi forces loyal to President Saddam may have possibly used white phosphorous CHEMICAL WEAPONS against Kurdish rebels and the populace in Erbil and Dohuk. The WP chemical was delivered by artillery rounds and helicopter gunships."

(caps mine)

www.truthout.org...

Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, someone saying it does not make it correct.

Willie Peter, white phosphorous, is not a chemical weapon. Regardless of the source ... It has been in use for years by most every major military in the world.

Dag nabit, didn't I read somewhere that John Kerry signed the international hippie treaty of Woodstock 1969 where America agreed to unconditionally use rubber bullets and silly string when waging any future wars?
To bad he didn't get elected.
I think Pierre Trudeau signed the same treaty but I'm not sure.

Lots of flowery rhetoric, but totally naive outlook, sminkeypinkey. Life just doesn't work that way.

Good night.

[edit on 24-11-2005 by jsobecky]

Why is is this in a conspiracy forum?

The only response is...

So what?

Originally posted by jsobecky
Lots of flowery rhetoric, but totally naive outlook, sminkeypinkey. Life just doesn't work that way.

- Well you can be sure to remember that when we end up with no democracy in Iraq, the country divided into 3 and the most illiberal and undemocratic fundamentalists in charge. K?

IMO the 'naive' are those who continually seek 'solutions' in ever more 'hard-line', barbaric and aggressive 'action' and who accept the 'news' and comment from official sources and ignore just about everything else.
(which also entails having little or no memory of what the 'official line' was only a short while ago)

The US has already entered into an unholy alliance with El Sadr (who, if you don't know, is 'ordering' the people in 'his' areas as to who to vote for; so much for 'democracy', hmmmm?).
The US forces are similarly looking to do similar with the Sunnis they are currently fighting.
The Kurds in the north effectively have their independent Kurdistan.
The British ended up having to act as by-standers as the Shia extreme takes over in the south (thanks to those 'much heralded' democratic elections).

That is the truth of 'how life is working' in Iraq today.

(But then where is the surprise?
The general understanding of Iraq and the preparation for what to do after Saddam was removed was pitiful.

It has recently come to light that US Pres Bush was unaware of any difference between Sunni and Shia Muslims as late as Jan 2003 when Iraqis joined him at that year's Superbowl!)

The Sunni/Shia rift has been well covered ever since the Sunnis lost their power.

If history is any measure, the union with Al Sadr won't last. He will break any agreements if he does not get his way.

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But...The Sunnis have grudgingly shown some willingness to join he electoral process.

Just yesterday, it was announced that 4 leaders from the insurgency met with Baghdad, expressing an interest to have their voices heard.

These are examples of hardliners finally realizing that they cannot terrorize their way into power anymore. They want to try the democratic way. There will be bumps along the way, but hopefully the page has turned.

Originally posted by jsobecky
They want to try the democratic way.

- Like I said the last information I saw was that Sadr (like the other groupings) 'instructs' 'his communities' as to howthey should vote.

There will be bumps along the way, but hopefully the page has turned.

- I do think you are wrong but I'd like believe that too.
Sorry but I just don't.

The lady who wrote this letter is Pam Foster of Pamela Foster and Associates in Atlanta. She's been in business since 1980 doing interior design and home planning. She recently wrote the following letter to a family member serving in Iraq....... Check it out!

WHAT'S ALL THE FUSS?

"Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001?

Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan, across the Potomac from our nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania? Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?

And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was "desecrated" when an overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet? Well, I don't. I don't care at all.

I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.

I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime in Saudi Arabia.

I'll care when Abu Musab al-Zarqawi tells the world he is sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling, slashed throat.

I'll care when the cowardly so-called "insurgents" in Iraq come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.

I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.

I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law instead of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.

In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care.

When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been humiliated in what amounts to a college hazing incident, rest assured that I don't care.

When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank that I don't care.

When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed "special" food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being "mishandled," you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts that I don't care.

And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled "Koran" and other times "Quran." Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and ---- you got it, I DON'T CARE!

If you agree with this view point, pass this on to all your e-mail friends. Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous behavior! If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button. Should you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great country.


"If you can read this, Thank a teacher!
If you are reading it in English, Thank a Veteran."

Originally posted by waroftheworlds

WHAT'S ALL THE FUSS?

"Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001?

Well the answer to both those questions are NO so the rest of her letter is based on unfounded hatred. That is what's most sad about the 9/11 lie but also why it was brilliantly played by those which take advantage of creating emotional struggles.

It creates hatred and a need for vengval death to your enemies when if the average person put as much energy into finding the truth as they do hating people they'll never meet, a lot less hatred would be exported overseas and changes might actually occur at home.

The banking & Industrial complex has been orchastrating wars and fuelling wars since history was recorded. People forget this fact and get caught up in the hate that is orchastrated by these same elements. The war is the business, the hatred and 'news' is the marketing campaign. Always has been.

Drop the hate and you'll realise pretty quickly that if you don't hate anyone in the Middle East, then most of the reasons for wanting to attack them will dissapate too. Follow the money trail instead to find the real people you should be wanting retribution from - it won't led you to an Arab man living in a cave, you won't have to travel that far.

America has this fixation on having an enemy and it's drummed into the population that it's OK to hate other nationalities but it's wrong to hate your government.

For a self confessed 'Christian Nation' there's a lot of people ignoring what Jesus said about turning the other cheek or treating people how you wish to be treated. All it takes is a wave of a flag and a scripted manipulative speach and Jesus can go wait outside while the populations hatred is extracted and exported overseas as bombs.