Universal Soldier

I heard a blip on CNN last night that testing is underway at USC on a brain chip that will be used by soldiers to help them remember their training better. They're testing it on dead mice right now, but I think that USC's football team is obviously the first recipient of this performance enhancing technology. Why are they releasing this information right now? Seems like this type of research would be kept hush hush even though it's being done at a public university. This is one of the few sites that I could find on the topic.

www.news.com.au...

I dont think this is a good idea , It sounds inhumane and it also my go wrong and it could wreck the human brain. Soldiers can still be elite and effective without having these things surgically implanted in our minds. No matter what , Even if the soldier is elite or well expierienced he can still get himself injured or killed in a firefight. Sounds like some CLOCKWORK ORANGE type of invention that it is supposed to improve ourselves and eventually happens to cause more damage and make people worse than the way they were before. If this invention was going to happen it should be used and tested on convicts and other types of scum.

Anyway why do you think we are born without these things? becouse humans are ok the way we already are made.

Also read the first rule on the MURPHYS LAW OF COMBAT poster

1. You are not a superman- which is true becouse basically everyone is the same (Though some people like to think they are better than others) Everyone has weaknesses and can still be wounerable even if you are a 'Rambo' or a 'Real Man'.

You can still be hard,macho,and strong even if you are a little 'Rat Boy' just becouse some people are bigger than others it does not mean they are better than you, By the way some bigger people are wimps too. At the end of the day i think shorter people are Harder becouse they are more prepared to take out anyone bigger than them.

If anyone has seen FULL METAL JACKET , The boot camp part when there was a bigger recruit(Private Pile) who was getting bullied by the Gunny Seargeant (Who was a lot shorter than him) It just proves that size does not matter , It is the mind that counts.

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I don't really like the idea of this chip either. I hope that this never gets past the testing phases.

This sort of thing has been a long time comming. Not so long ago a group of researchers were able to hook a paralzyed man up to a device, such that he was able to move a mouse pointer by thinking in the same way that you think when you move your limbs. Around the same time other researchers were able to hook up a device to a blind man, such that they could send images to the visual part of his brain and get him to see the images (artificially created and very simple images though). So the mind-machine interface is demonstrated and workable. Having a storage area where information can be accessed is sensible.

Also notice that this is a very early stage in the whole process. What they've done is make an artificial mouse hippocampus.

the chip, which acts in exactly the same way as the hippocampus - the part of the brain that deals with memory.

In experiments, the team removed that section of the brain of dead rats and inserted the chip in its place. The implant sent exactly the same electronic signals as the real thing.

Here's an interesting page on the hippocampus and other parts of the brain.

I find it odd that they didn't reference any publication for the paper nor who actually did it.

Here's a webpage for the department of biomedical engineering, not sure if thats the bioengineering department they are talking about.

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If such a technology was perfected (-> being useable, reliable and not health-impairing) it wouldnt be "military-only" for long. The civilian uses for this are vastly higher than the "limited" military knowledgea soldier can learn and put to use. If we at some time come to the point where all or at least relevant knowledge to a person could be implemented via a chip, the whole educational system could be shifted to training logic and thought processes, because you already know everything and only have to learn to make use of your knowledge.

I remember when I was in school how I wished there to be a chip that I could simply implant so I wouldn't have to study, or even go to school at all.

This could be an incredible technology if placed in the right hands. If one were to posses all human knowledge by, say, the age of 16, there would only be one direction for the mind to expand in, and that would, obviously, be in a direction previously unexplored. Human developement, scientific and technological developement would sky-rocket.

On the other hand, if they want to use it on soldiers, then it is obviously bad news, as they could put whatever information they want into your brain. They want you to hate, say, Germans or whatever, they just make you remember one of them having killed your mother or something. Very dangerous implications.

The inventors of the atom bomb thought they were creating a new energy source to help mankind, but lo'-and-behold, some nasty people had other plans...

Originally posted by The_Modulus
I remember when I was in school how I wished there to be a chip that I could simply implant so I wouldn't have to study, or even go to school at all.

This could be an incredible technology if placed in the right hands. If one were to posses all human knowledge by, say, the age of 16, there would only be one direction for the mind to expand in, and that would, obviously, be in a direction previously unexplored. Human developement, scientific and technological developement would sky-rocket.

On the other hand, if they want to use it on soldiers, then it is obviously bad news, as they could put whatever information they want into your brain. They want you to hate, say, Germans or whatever, they just make you remember one of them having killed your mother or something. Very dangerous implications.

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When i was at school(Hellhole)I also used to wish that we were already born with education. Back to the chip discussion, imagine if the trooper leaves/gets discharged from the military , he would probably become a useless braindead nobody or he might become an extreme danger to the public or even to his own family and relatives!. imagine if he becomes a gangster/criminal/Pshyco killer etc , he would then be the most dangerous yobbo ever in history, just think of what the law would have to face.

Think of that one!
THINK TWICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Browno
Back to the chip discussion, imagine if the trooper leaves/gets discharged from the military , he would probably become a useless braindead nobody

Why? It's logical to assume that any implants giving by the military would be taken back before mainstreaming the soldier again. Genetic mods could also be made to fade away with time, so they could quanteen the soldier until he is no longer "super charged".

or he might become an extreme danger to the public or even to his own family and relatives!. imagine if he becomes a gangster/criminal/Pshyco killer etc , he would then be the most dangerous yobbo ever in history,

The Black market will produce such killers and criminals without the militaries help just as this technology will produce "super cops" and "super samaritans" and a whole host of grey areas to boot. Nothing is ever as simple as Hollywood makes it seem.

just think of what the law would have to face.

See above response.

Originally posted by The_Modulus
I remember when I was in school how I wished there to be a chip that I could simply implant so I wouldn't have to study, or even go to school at all.

This could be an incredible technology if placed in the right hands. If one were to posses all human knowledge by, say, the age of 16, there would only be one direction for the mind to expand in, and that would, obviously, be in a direction previously unexplored. Human developement, scientific and technological developement would sky-rocket.

Instead of this chip implanted in our brains, why dont they do the same invention like in the film DEEP BLUE SEA where they suck out the jelly from the sharks brain to make them smarter? , well if they could do it.

Originally posted by Browno
Instead of this chip implanted in our brains, why dont they do the same invention like in the film DEEP BLUE SEA where they suck out the jelly from the sharks brain to make them smarter? , well if they could do it.

You do know the difference between fiction and science, do you? Anyway, in Deep Blue Sea it was the other way around, they genetically altered the sharks to grow more brain, of which they used a part to create cancer medication. That the sharks also got more intelligent was only a dramaturgic side effect.

Originally posted by Browno

Originally posted by The_Modulus
I remember when I was in school how I wished there to be a chip that I could simply implant so I wouldn't have to study, or even go to school at all.

This could be an incredible technology if placed in the right hands. If one were to posses all human knowledge by, say, the age of 16, there would only be one direction for the mind to expand in, and that would, obviously, be in a direction previously unexplored. Human developement, scientific and technological developement would sky-rocket.

Instead of this chip implanted in our brains, why dont they do the same invention like in the film DEEP BLUE SEA where they suck out the jelly from the sharks brain to make them smarter? , well if they could do it.

ALSO if this could happen ,our brains would naturally expand after the jelly sucked out so just think of how crafty we would be. It would also be better than some stupid chip just crammed in your head.
Swerve the TOTAL RECALL rubbish off!!!!!!!!!!.

This website I found is sort of related to mind chips and things.

Here it is: www.buzzflash.com...

Be warned, lots of anti-Bush, anti-PNAC comments (if you don't like that kind of thing). Very interesting reading about MMI and exoskeleton research.

Humans aren't responsible enough to manage the sensitive technology being created. It's extremely disappointing that we're on the threshold of drastically improving functions of the brain and the motivation for all of this is to make more effective killers. If research for this was being done for people who suffer from memory disorders or other mental conditions then this would be a technological step in the right direction. I know plenty of technological advances have started off as military projects, which were later adapted for civilian use, but the implications of this just stinks to me. This is going to be abused. I just hope I'm pleasantly intoxicated and unaware when they shove an RFID memory chip up my butt.

Originally posted by Balthasar
Humans aren't responsible enough to manage the sensitive technology being created. It's extremely disappointing that we're on the threshold of drastically improving functions of the brain and the motivation for all of this is to make more effective killers. If research for this was being done for people who suffer from memory disorders or other mental conditions then this would be a technological step in the right direction. I know plenty of technological advances have started off as military projects, which were later adapted for civilian use, but the implications of this just stinks to me. This is going to be abused. I just hope I'm pleasantly intoxicated and unaware when they shove an RFID memory chip up my butt.

Whoever thoughtabout this stupid chip needs to be in a cushion room in a mental hospital or even hanging. This chip is just for those politicians so they can do anything they want with us. I dont think the politicians or thier families would have this chip crammed into thier brains. I actually sort of want to join the forces myself but i still dont agree with this stupid brain chip.

Instead of this chip, why dont they just teach schoolkids soldiering like in those shri lanka type of countries from an early age so they grow up in that fashion? like what hitler did it would be the sort of same thing but without extreme things like some foreign body parts in our heads. The chip may cause more damage to our mental health and cause schizophrenic minds and other worse mental conditions.

Note: I know i mentioned hitler but i am NOT a racist or a nazi. i just mentioned him becouse he got young people to be crazed and fanatic about germany, Also the japanese emperor Hirohito done the same thing but even more extreme that some people even sacrificed themselves for japan, these were also known as the Kamikaze.

Also to anyone who is reading this board, I suggest you watch THE PRISONER starring Patrick McGoohan.