Patriot Act with new amendments flying the Congress

Gee, as if the incredible powers given to the government through the original "Patriot" Act wasn't enough, there are new proposals being tossed into the new and improved model that will be shot through the was-hallowed halls of Congress.
If a jury finds someone guilty of a terror act but doesn't come back with the death penalty, the prosecutor can get another jury if one person on the original jury voted for the death penalty. Nifty, huh? Why even bother with a jury? Let's just let the government decide what to do, right?

It also triples the number of terror crimes that warrant the death penalty. Check this blurb out:
...and authorize the death penalty for a person who gives money to an organization whose members kill someone, even if the contributor did not know that the organization or its members were planning to kill.

so, those who see a new world order headed our way are just a bunch of loons and nutcases, right? Okeedokie, then. Let's couple this with the changes in England, and the unwarranted changes in Australia and then let's go back to sleep. Move along, nothing to see - unless you don't particularly want to hand your liberties over to "them".

alternet.org...

Jeez, i thought the Patriot Act was being shot down and changed, but i never knew it was having stronger amendments two words "Police State"

www.fortwayne.com...

Under the proposals, 41 new crimes would be added to the 20 terrorism-related offenses now eligible for the federal death penalty. Prosecutors would also find it easier to impose a death sentence in cases in which the defendant did not have the intent to kill.



It is quite frightening they can continue to do this with little notice. I believe a NWO is coming but I have always been suspect of box cars with shakles or the "death" camps that many have said are in place. Now I think it may not be far off.

Hey they just bringing out the old Hebrew law of an eye for an eye, I guess US will be doing a lot of killing in the future, occurs is not only limited to "Terrorist" but to any deemed a "terrorist"

Good luck everybody.

Amendments!? Thow that piece-of-crap Patriot Act OUT!

This is some pretty scary stuff. Kind of reminds me of Australia's shoot-to-kill thing (I think it's Australia).

In "Gulag Archipelago" (if my memory serves correctly) Solzhenitsyn says that one of the strategies used by the Soviets was simply to make laws that were broad and vague enough that virtually anybody could be legitimately arrested at virtually any time for virtually any reason. The point wasn't to target specific acts or even specific people, but simply to create an environment in which the government could target whoever they chose whenever it was expedient to do so.

That lesson apparently wasn't lost on power-mongers the world over-- it's just been a while in the making here in the US.

Ssshh! Be careful, folks.
I'm not sure if discussing how evil their evil plots are is now punishable by death.
You are a legitimate target if you don't have a glass of chlorinated and flouridated water in one hand and a TV remote control in the other.

Originally posted by Amethyst
Amendments!? Thow that piece-of-crap Patriot Act OUT!

This is some pretty scary stuff. Kind of reminds me of Australia's shoot-to-kill thing (I think it's Australia).

United Kingdom used it to kill the Brazilian guy...

Nice how the media 'circus' has almost gone silent on that.

God bless the truth and how we'll never find out about it.

Thoreau said it best: " Under a government which imprisons unjustly, the true place for a just man is also a prison." I guess that extends to "Under a government that executes unjustly, the true destiny for a just man is execution."

And if the choice is deadening one's senses and one's thoughts with the unrelenting idiocy of television, then death doesn't seem all that bad anyway...

Check this blurb out:
...and authorize the death penalty for a person who gives money to an organization whose members kill someone, even if the contributor did not know that the organization or its members were planning to kill.

So if I donate money to ATS, and a member of ATS murders someone, I can be executed...

If I give money to a church, and a member of that church kills somebody, I can be executed...

If I give money to a charity, and a member of that charitable organization kills somebody, I can be executed...

If I pay my taxes to the government, and the government kills somebody, I can be executed...

Guess I'd better not give any money to anyone, anymore, even if they are a well deserving group. If one person in that group kills somebody, I can be executed...

welcome to the new world order. don't sh** your pants now cause its only gonna get worse.


Seriously, the government is taking this to far. Our rights are being taken away as we sit around and complain on the internet. The sad thing is, the situation is futile.

If you can't give money to organizations who kill anyone, wouldn't the Army, the Navy, the USAF, the executors count as well? I may be taking it to far, but thats a point.

Can't people stop it from going through congress. (I don't know, I live in britain)

[edit on 6-11-2005 by apex]

Originally posted by DragonsDemesne

If I pay my taxes to the government, and the government kills somebody, I can be executed...

Hey--a loophole! I'll just tell the IRS that I can't pay taxes anymore because that money will be used to fund an illegal war.

I'd love to see someone try to pull that one!

Originally posted by apex
If you can't give money to organizations who kill anyone, wouldn't the Army, the Navy, the USAF, the executors count as well? I may be taking it to far, but thats a point.

That's an interesting point indeed. I'm sure that there will be some language in it that will differentiate between those who kill people with government sanction and those who do not. No matter what, it will ALWAYS be okay for the government and its agents to kill people.

Can't people stop it from going through congress. (I don't know, I live in britain)

Nominally, yes, but not in reality. Congress theoretically represents our will, but the reality is that they express the will of those who can best reward them for their allegiance and punish them for their transgressions, and that's NOT the voters. It's a few enormously powerful and influential people and groups, and THEY certainly want an expansion of government power, as do the politicians themselves. There's really nothing (short of revolution) that we the people can do to stop the powers-that-be from accumulating ever more power at our expense. With the recent advent of paperless ballot machines, our votes don't even have the marginal impact they once had. Now the powers-that-be can not only ensure that politicians express their will rather than ours, they can even ensure that the politicians that they desire to hold office do indeed "win."

It's all downhill from here-- absolutely, unequivocally and unstoppably.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Gee, as if the incredible powers given to the government through the original "Patriot" Act wasn't enough, there are new proposals being tossed into the new and improved model that will be shot through the was-hallowed halls of Congress.
If a jury finds someone guilty of a terror act but doesn't come back with the death penalty, the prosecutor can get another jury if one person on the original jury voted for the death penalty. Nifty, huh? Why even bother with a jury? Let's just let the government decide what to do, right?

It also triples the number of terror crimes that warrant the death penalty. Check this blurb out:
...and authorize the death penalty for a person who gives money to an organization whose members kill someone, even if the contributor did not know that the organization or its members were planning to kill.

so, those who see a new world order headed our way are just a bunch of loons and nutcases, right?

Wow, this has to be one of the most rediculous ones ive heard yet. Are tickets avaliable for the next civil war yet? *checks ticketmaster.com*. Nope, not yet. Thankyou almighty for bringing this up, now I have something to type about. Just kidding. This has to be one of the most rediculous acts I have heard yet. It seems like everyday, the Acts, Rights, and Laws are crashing into each other and not making any sense what so ever.

Originally posted by DragonsDemesne
If I pay my taxes to the government, and the government kills somebody, I can be executed...

Ohh can I agree to that. Seems like nobody wants to be left on earth but the almighty oil sucking money hungry, almighty "want to be" power of the United States. Like I said in one last post, where is our freedom going? Its not, it is being contracted and taken away while we sit here not knowing what is going on. Now, what Thomas said, about being executed when you did not know what was going on. Lets take a look at some more of the "Bill of Rights".

Amendment VI:

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed; which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Now, we have a right to freedom of speech, and freedom of the press. Then why does the governement not let us speak the truth in justice when we want to? Seems like they just believe what they want to believe and thats it. It stops at their point of mind. Its almost like they go ahed and kill the unwanted so they can make their point. I dont know what point. Whoever is the "master mind" behind this revision is a complete greedy idiot. We already really didnt do anything when 9/11 happend except get the guy with the oil.. Oops, did I say that? So why even put this act in? There are tons of foriegn organisations killing people everyday that other people are donating to. They have no idea, why should they be the ones to suffer? My question is, what exactly is the government trying to put a stop to? Or putting something into action? Notice, that all of this is happening close to when the elections are about to start again. They are getting close, so why screw the next guy over? Is it to brainwash the current citizens to think, "wow, that last guy did all he could do"? Our governement is falling apart and growing rediculous due to the fact that I feel, all they want is money. Why race for it?, its alwyas going to be there. So why make laws to take life over a dollar?

Thats one thing that really gets to me, sorry im getting of subject. But why put someone to death just to get that extra dollar? If you were to offer the government a million dollars to death over an american indivdual, wouldnt it be their smart choice of the money?

Amendment IV:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall isssue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmatino, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Why should it be right for a SWAT team to break into somones house without and warrant just to disturb them and their family, and take them to jail without letting them say anything?

Miranda rights.

You have the right to remain silent, anything you say "WILL and CAN" be used against you in the court of law...

Why even speak when they are just going to believe their own opinion anyway?

Enough for me.

-brodband