Jesus: Son of God... or just a drug pusher?!

Ok please bear with me here...

i've had this idea in the back of my head for ages, and am kind of excited to share it with you all tonight.

Is it possible, that if Jesus Christ was a real person... instead of the Son of God, he was simply dosing the 12 Apostles and other disciples with some primitive hallucinogen?

I mean, Chalie Manson kept his troup in line with lots of '___'...

I would totally think it could be possible that there could have been some sort of spore or *something* that could have made these people think they saw him walk on water or died and came back from the grave or heal sickness...

So what do YOU think?!

Heheh. But don't you think they would have hallucinated other strange things that didn't necessarily have anything to do with Jesus?

What would stop them from seeing pink elephants?

[edit on 29-10-2005 by CloudlessKnight]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Timothy Leary did discover the secrets of time travel....and you thought he was just "trippin"

nah they may have had magic mushies back in those days but i doubt all the chemicals in '___' were readily available...

Originally posted by CloudlessKnight
Heheh. But don't you think they would have hallucinated other strange things that didn't necessarily have anything to do with Jesus?

What would stop them from seeing pink elephants?

[edit on 29-10-2005 by CloudlessKnight]

Who's to say they didn't?! I mean, maybe those parts never made it into the final draft of the Bible?

Originally posted by Mayet
nah they may have had magic mushies back in those days but i doubt all the chemicals in '___' were readily available...

Sorry, i didn't mean to imply that Jesus was dosing people with '___'. I was just using the Charlie Manson/'___' thing as an example of a leader who used this sort of substance to guide people.

...with some primitive hallucinogen?

Originally posted by negativenihil

Originally posted by Mayet
nah they may have had magic mushies back in those days but i doubt all the chemicals in '___' were readily available...

Sorry, i didn't mean to imply that Jesus was dosing people with '___'. I was just using the Charlie Manson/'___' thing as an example of a leader who used this sort of substance to guide people.

...with some primitive hallucinogen?

Funny, Charlie Manson's followers were convinced that Charlie was Jesus Christ himself come back to Earth.

It wouldnt even take durgs that were to awefully powerful. Some mind altering drugs along with the power of a very influencial person a Jim Jones type. Who knows but it would be a better explanation than him being a miricle worker.

The presence of mosaic illustrations in the basilica of Aquileia representing mushrooms with psychotropic properties indicates that some religious rites of early Christianity, which were probably linked to mysterial cults meant to be kept secret, were related to the ingestion of hallucinogenic substances facilitating mystic ecstasy. It still remains to be seen, however, whether these ecstatic techniques were a common heritage of all early Christian churches or whether they were known and practiced only within some heretic groups of Christians

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There's also the possibility that there were variations of ergot around that can produce hallucinations (among other things):

Jesus also identifiably refers to the consequences of ergotism, when he speaks of its effects today known as St. Anthony's fire, caused by the unsolvable Ergot Alkaloids, which lead to irreversible blood restriction in extremities, (Matthew 18:8, Mark 9:43) making it more advisable to amputate than suffer 'eternal fire'.

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'___', or more particularly '___'25, is a derivative of ergot. Ergot is a mould that grows on rye (which has been bred out of current strains), it would have been prevelant and people would have ingested it without knowing. You never know....

Chew on this: An ethnobotanist in Santa Cruz, California, thinks Jesus was munching magic mushrooms at the Last Supper. Clark Heinrich says man has enjoyed the psychedelic effects of mushrooms since thousands of years before Christ -- and figured the King of Kings probably turned on as well.
....Heinrich says the mushroom resembles pita bread and when soaked with water it feels exactly like human skin. He figures that's the bread that Jesus was referring to at the last supper when he said "eat this bread, this is my body."
But that's not the only way Jesus might have doled out psychedelics. Heinrich says people who eat lots of shrooms have a reddish-orange urine that's even more hallucinogenic -- and figures the almighty turned water into wine by whizzing into a five-gallon jug of H20.

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[edit on 30-10-2005 by fingapointa]

wow, great find fingapointa!

Originally posted by Mayet
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Timothy Leary did discover the secrets of time travel....and you thought he was just "trippin"

nah they may have had magic mushies back in those days but i doubt all the chemicals in '___' were readily available...

Try ergot, it was found on some rotted rye bread and has lsysosergic acid in it.

www.chm.bris.ac.uk...

Proved myself wrong didnt I, lol thats the way we learn.

The actual answer is Jesus never existed - atleast, not as 'Jesus Christ - Son of God'.

The 'Jesus' story had been around a lot longer before Jesus was even born and it's basically a standard tale in most religions throughout history since the ancient Egyptians first started promoting a 'government' sponsored religion. Most famously is the story of Krishna which was written circa 1500 years before Jesus was born and is very similiar.

The true person was known as Isis and was from royal seed, followed the silk trade routes to India at around age 14 and studied with Buddhists for some years. He had a small following in India and then heard of trouble facing his people back in his home town and made the journey back. He continued sharing his beliefs of equality and love being the keys to life and basically got in the way of those that were trying to promote a religion which didn't offer equality.

He was put on the cross but was taken down, healed and then went back to India where he died of old age with his family.

There's a Buddhist temple in India which has over 7,000 records of Isis which unlike Christianity or "Paulinism" (since he's the one who put together the Jesus story 300 years later) - these records are real and exist and have been studied. The Vatican even offered to buy them so they would be vaulted up with the rest of the historical proof which proves todays Christians are worshipping a man made creation based on deceit and control, not on peace, love and goodwill to all life.

sorry if anyone already posted this but heres an interesting article from deoxy.org...

There are a great many people who would never consider the use of visionary plants to be a spiritual experience. These people believe that spiritual experiences must come directly from God and that the use of visionary plants goes against the teachings of the Bible. Contrary to this notion, the Bible never explicitly prohibits the use of visionary plants or potions. What you will find however, is many curious references to a spiritual food sent down from heaven by God, called manna.

The Bible never tells us exactly what manna was and where it came from, but there are many Old Testament passages which describe its physical qualities and conditions associated with its appearance. The Bible's first reference to manna is in the Book of Exodus as the children of Israel are fleeing from Egypt and following Moses into the wilderness. After six weeks of wandering, they began complaining to Moses that they are tired and hungry. What happens next is truly extraordinary:

Very interesting topic, I have read a few things along these lines but concerning cannabis and the anointing process. Jesus was know as the anointed one and some theorys are that the oil for anointing has cannabis in it. well heres some links:
Jesus 'healed using cannabis'
WAS JESUS A STONER?
Was there a whiff of cannabis about Jesus?
I am convinced Washington was using, maybe Jesus too.

[edit on 1-11-2005 by savagecupid]

Originally posted by TheShroudOfMemphis

There's a Buddhist temple in India which has over 7,000 records of Isis which unlike Christianity or "Paulinism" (since he's the one who put together the Jesus story 300 years later) - these records are real and exist and have been studied. The Vatican even offered to buy them so they would be vaulted up with the rest of the historical proof which proves todays Christians are worshipping a man made creation based on deceit and control, not on peace, love and goodwill to all life.

Finally... Thank you. Couldn't have said it better.

It would seem that there might be some drug usage going on, but I'm not thinking it is Christ...

Why do you think that drug usage is necessary for the disciples to follow Him? Jim Jones didn't get his followers to follow him to the koolaid pitcher with drugs, and he has a couple thousand, and you don't believe Christ picked tweleve guys to be His disciples without mind-altering drugs? Furthermore, there is no reason to believe this was the case.

Additionally, Chuck's family weren't following him because of hallucinogenics; they followed him because eh was charismatic, and they were weak-minded, gullible morons.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Additionally, Chuck's family weren't following him because of hallucinogenics; they followed him because eh was charismatic, and they were weak-minded, gullible morons.

And this is different from Christians how?

Originally posted by Full Metal

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Additionally, Chuck's family weren't following him because of hallucinogenics; they followed him because eh was charismatic, and they were weak-minded, gullible morons.

And this is different from Christians how?

The difference is you pick on one group but not the other.

People saw Jesus walk on water, They saw Jesus turn water into wine and feed multitudes with a couple of fish. Now, Do I believe they saw that? The answer is yes.

I say that because I saw David Copperfield make an airplane disappear with my own eyes. I saw him make the statue of Liberty vanish as well. I saw him put two rubber bands on each of his thumbs and forfingers and pass them thru one another. I saw him make an awesome car with an even more awesome lady vanish into thin air.

Does this mean I should be worshipping David Copperfield?

I don't think so.

If Jesus wants to impress me he should blow Gabriels horn and come riding over the horizon to slay the unholy. Then maybe i'll consider him something more then a guru who developed the greatest cult of personality in all of mankinds history.

Just my thoughts on it.

Wupy