Is GOD an advanced ET and if the answer is yes, then what are we?

LCKob,, I almost forgot about this.. when you said.. :

"The interesting thing here though, is the fact that with 21st. century technology ... humans could probably have convinced Moses of a god ... let alone an alien species that has the technology of intesteller travel.

So the question here is ... by taking the word of this god ... are you really sure it is the proverbial god ... or perhaps a being or beings significantly more advanced than us. "


Point will taken.. But it's not a problem for me because of "spiritual discernment" It's clear in the Bible that satan wants to be like God but can only do so with 'technology'. Curious what the Bible says about the end times relating to this matter: The beast/antichrist will use many "signs and wonders" to DECEIVE the shephards and the -very- elect.

When Jesus, Yeshua, was questioned by Pontious Pilate shortly before he was crucified he told Pilate that He was NOT OF THIS WORLD -and- that he would NOT have been 'delivered' into his hand if it not for the will of the Father.




Not of this world??!!


What on earth did He mean exactly?? Was He and interdimensional ET? You guys can think what you like but I'm going to take HIS annointed word for it.

The Bible clearly states ALL over the place that God is incomprehensible, unfathonable, and UNSEARCHABLE.

We only know what HE REVEALS to us.

This 'world' (Including possible "ETS") as we know it is not even a speck of sand in the Lord Almighty's hand. Instead of trying to put God in a box why don't you seek him by first consulting with his Word and seek him in the spirit? God said that we would not BELIEVE the things he has in 'store' for us if we love him. (To love him means also BELIEVING and having FAITH in him) When it comes to God our fleshly 'world' is a DEAD END. Why take any chances?

Focus on the prize that God has in store for you instead of the 'world'.

Take one step towards God and He will take TWO steps towards you.
Stop believing in this 'worldly' nonsense.

Originally posted by TxSecret
LCKob,, I almost forgot about this.. when you said.. :

"The interesting thing here though, is the fact that with 21st. century technology ... humans could probably have convinced Moses of a god ... let alone an alien species that has the technology of intesteller travel.

So the question here is ... by taking the word of this god ... are you really sure it is the proverbial god ... or perhaps a being or beings significantly more advanced than us. "


Point will taken.. But it's not a problem for me because of "spiritual discernment" It's clear in the Bible that satan wants to be like God but can only do so with 'technology'. Curious what the Bible says about the end times relating to this matter: The beast/antichrist will use many "signs and wonders" to DECEIVE the shephards and the -very- elect.

< hmmmm signs and wonders is a bit vague and can be construed in different ways ... yes, science and technology is one possibility, but would not "magic" be more efficient? ... after all, the explainable can be dismissed, but the unexplainable miracle? >





When Jesus, Yeshua, was questioned by Pontious Pilate shortly before he was crucified he told Pilate that He was NOT OF THIS WORLD -and- that he would NOT have been 'delivered' into his hand if it not for the will of the Father.

Not of this world??!!


What on earth did He mean exactly?? Was He and interdimensional ET? You guys can think what you like but I'm going to take HIS annointed word for it.

The Bible clearly states ALL over the place that God is incomprehensible, unfathonable, and UNSEARCHABLE.


< IF this is the case, then this god has an odd sense of humor in that ...supposedly we are made in his image? That we are given a discerning and curious mind intrinsically motivated by curiosity and problem solving ... and yet, we are barred from certain knowledge ... and that god is "unfathomable and unsearchable"?>



We only know what HE REVEALS to us.

This 'world' (Including possible "ETS") as we know it is not even a speck of sand in the Lord Almighty's hand. Instead of trying to put God in a box why don't you seek him by first consulting with his Word and seek him in the spirit? God said that we would not BELIEVE the things he has in 'store' for us if we love him. (To love him means also BELIEVING and having FAITH in him) When it comes to God our fleshly 'world' is a DEAD END. Why take any chances?

Focus on the prize that God has in store for you instead of the 'world'.


< The prize? ... or the opposing punishment if we fail? Would it not be better to promote the notion of doing what is right because one genuinely felt it was right ... as opposed to either reaching for the proverbial brass ring or out of fear of going to hell?>




Take one step towards God and He will take TWO steps towards you.
Stop believing in this 'worldly' nonsense.

To me, it is nonsense to analyze juman literature, the Bible or anything else relating to God as an alien.

However, before I would claim that, it should be known when did God leave Earth, when did the human race get out of His range of mind control?

There should be much clearer proof that God was just a pity alien race disturbing Earth's animal population. Why say that God was an alien race? Because there is an intelligent system forcing ALL humans to believe in something higher, to worship and to die for something higher and more powerful . It should be God itself?

Therefore, it would simply be too offensuive and the least useful to say, God is an alien (or not), because tthe Bible or the human history involves any sign relating to aliens, technology and UFOs. Other factors should be considered, that are not related to any worshipped or beloved book, history or peerson.

Who was Jesus? Someone keeps telling me that he was nothing more than a pity cheater, a criminal, a human being. Nothing more, andhe deserved what he got. On the other hand, he was raised by prophets and priests in order to gain power and wealth by organizing the New Testament.

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Originally posted by TxSecret
Paul Richard, I'm glad we're on the same page. I feel like an outcast on here sometimes..

Be comforted.

Remember:

Tall trees get the most wind.

Originally posted by TxSecret
Like I said earlier: I believe (and it's quite self evidently OBVIOUS) that you can't, and never will comprehend ALL of the infinitely deep secrets of God. So what if there is a "super intelligent/advanced" civilization out there that we might 'construe' as 'god like' if we ever "ran" into them. What's beyond that?

It is common in our intellectually based society to overrate the importance of mind and technology. Being influenced by Zetan-aliens (i.e., from the many abductions that have and are occurring all over the world and the long-term breeding program) who are of the same spiritually indifferent mindset, only adds to the problem.

The smart and objective ones who have developed critical thinking ability can apply deductive and inductive reasoning about the aliens. The Zetans do not follow The Golden Rule and have been known to laugh at abductees -- like Whitney Strieber for example -- who cry out to God to help them when they are strapped down to one of their examination tables.

This teaches us a great deal. It points to the idea that you can have a high-tech humanoid civilization in existence that is not of The Light or God at all, but is self-serving and imperialistic. High technology does not lead to greater spirituality and it certainly doesn't lead to God Realization.

Originally posted by TxSecret
Then there's that pesky question about whether or not we will figure out how to create matter out of energy......Something tells me it's never going to happen. Even if we did 'figure it out' the energy it would take to actually process the energy into matter would be astronomical at best.

The physical spectrum of energies has certain fundamental limitations. I have studied people who have a genuine Gift of Telekinesis from a large Group Entity. Their ability to create matter on a small scale, like jewelry, food, flowers, changing water to wine, changing water to beer, etc., is all done with the energy on the Other Side that is commonly referred to as The Light.

This Light is not just a spiritual metaphor; it is the actual energy of the discarnate dimensions. The Light transcends the physical spectrum of energy and it is what The Original Creator utilized to a very high degree in order to manifest The Big Bang.
The reason why scientists continue to be baffled about how The Big Bang started is because they are looking in the wrong places. They want to find a logical outgrowth of physically based energies to explain how The Big Bang can come about. But if one studies the minor miracles of prophets and telekinetics, one sees that The Light is utilized, not the physical spectrum of energies at all. The Light is like gravity and electromagnetism; it is nonliving and operates off of its own set of principles.

So the scientists will never find the base energy solution for how something can come about from nothing. Technically, something did not come about from nothing, as there was always The Light -- but that is an avenue of broadened understanding that they do not wish to pursue. Thereby pointing to scientific prejudice which is their stumbling block for uncovering the absolute truth.

After all, they can't let something as metaphysical as The Light to cloud their judgment. There MUST be a physical cause to The Big Bang.

Metaphysicians know about The Light and realize that only with it can matter of any kind actually be created. Spontaneous and miraculous healings are also a manifestation of The Light.

Originally posted by TxSecret
I didn't mention this earlier but one of the scientific mysteries that I'm -passionately- interested in is gravity and it's more than likely link with electromagnetism: The unified field theory if you will. Some speculate that Einstein completed his research on this before he died. (He was definitely working on it before hand) I'm sure you guys are aware that if gravity is ever mechanically "understood" and is linked to magnetism the implications of such a discovery would be grave. I'd like to think that this has ALL been figured out and the technology is being suppressed but who knows for sure. There is also this nagging feeling in my gut that God would not allow us to have such knowledge anyways.. at least not in our current state of spiritual development.

I don't think that anyone is being held back by The Original Creator. Like the Deist perspective, everything points to Him/Her simply not being around at present. The First Coming has yet to occur, which is why there are so many religions and not just One True Religion that has major miracles in it that outshine all the others.

The Unified Field Theory is based solely on physically based energies like electromagnetism and gravity. Without The Light, there can be no physically based energies, planets, stars or souls, as The Light preceded ALL THAT IS. The UFT will need to embrace that which most do not want to embrace in order to truly be completed and fully understood.

Originally posted by TxSecret

Fascinating thoughts eh?

Perhaps I'll start a thread on the unified field theory.

Good luck.

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Research indicates that their method of operation is to first paralyze their victims with an intense white flood-light or sky blue beam.

How do they get their victims into their craft after paralyzing them? And who is to say that the paralysis is not a side-effect of a teleporation technology they use? And what if they paralyze people AND teleport them, simply because they don't want a person kicking and screaming nor do they want to build any cages if they don't have to? Seems reasonable to me...

If they truly had teleportation capability, then they could just beam or phase their intended into holding cells on-board their spacecraft.

But what if they don't want holding cells when they can simply paralyze the person and so they can handle the person with ease without worrying about any resistance? It seems cells are only required if you do NOT have the paralysis technology, otherwise what's the use for cells? So again I see no reason they can't paralyze and teleport!

They would not have to first paralyze them. So it is safe to assume that they have no teleportation capability.

I disagree - I think it is not safe at all to make this assumption, and it is most likely to be incorrect in my opinion. Again, if they can paralyze and THEN teleport people, then they would not need space-consuming holding cells, and they wouldn't have a problem with screaming and kicking and resisting. What is wrong with the idea that they are paralyzed and teleported directly to the "laboratory" or whatever other area?

Despite Zetan propaganda through brainwashed abductees, the aliens in question have no godlike abilities; they cannot read minds, teleport, or walk through walls.

Who says those are godlike abilities? That is entirely your perception of such abilities, others don't perceive them as so magical or godlike, but pretty fundemental just like walking. In the same way a snail can say "humans don't have such Godlike abilities like walking, unless humans are God-Realized!" and to humans walking is a pretty casual simple procedure and that statement is laughable nonsense. In the same way, what you describe are not "godlike abilities" unless you wish to perceive them as such, but that perception is just like the snail's perception, because you can call ANY abilities "Godlike", because "Godlike" is defined however the person who uses the term wishes to define it. And there is no reason that you cited why these beings cannot have such "Godlike abilities", except you tried to create the impression that BECAUSE those abilities are "Godlike" (your subjective opinion), and those beings are not Gods, they cannot have them. In fact, even WE humans are very close to having these abilities through technology alone.

You make make huge unfounded assumptions and underestimation of the ability of these beings and think that your "reasoning" of why they cannot do this or that is all you need to make your assumptions and be safely convinced that you are right. Well when you assume...

If the Zetan-aliens were actually God Realized and Ascended Masters of Light

These terms are meaningless, just mumbo jumbo - until defined. What if they are Godly Masters of Light-Love Realization in the Ascended Realm of Lightness Everlasting? Or maybe they are Self-Realized Spiritual Masters of the Higher Realm of Godly Beingness? My point is, these pretty "love and light" terms are absolutely nonsense until you define them, otherwise they are just pretty words with absolutley no meaning, though they are pretty imaignative! You can call yourself a master of anything on any level, does not mean that there is such a thing, or that level exists, or you are in any way a "master" or a "God".

Then they would not have to kidnap anyone for anything. They could simply create with The Light exactly what they wanted and needed

Who cares if they are God-Realized Masters of Love and Light in the Super-Duper jumbo-dimentional level of Heavenly Godly Creation of Lightness of the Beingness in the blah blah if it is only your assumption that you know what these levels are capable of and what they are not?

Do you think a snail can make conclusions about the capability of the human level from its perspective? And yet you attempt to do just that.

Taking the above into account along with the way that they treat most people that they come into contact with -- as laboratory animals -- leads one to conclude that they are not spiritual beings at all, much less God Realized souls.

Unless of course God Realized beings sometimes treat people like laboratory animals, and you were led to believe otherwise, and you just fell for it? Or maybe there is no God-Realized beings at all, and the term is entirely meaningless on any level? What does it mean to you?

You cannot create matter with the physical spectrum of energies, you can only change its form.
Only with The Light Of The God Force on the Other Side can one actually create matter, just as The Original Creator did billions of years ago.

Unles of course time doesn't exist, and everything is eternal, and then there is no creation of anything, nor any creator, just infinite existance of all things without any time? Maybe there is no such thing as "billions of years ago" except from our limited perspective only?

And if true, then maybe you can't create anything using ANY sorts of energies, but only access what already exists? Because if everything that can possibly ever exist already does, then there is no creation! Why assume?

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When it comes to the alien ET element of this discussion, I'm mostly off board but I do have an open mind. I deffinitely beleve there is "something" going on out there but I have no convictions on what 'exactly' is happening. But like I said I do have an open mind and would like to know more.

Paul, I'm interested in this Whitney Streiber incident you speak of.. Looking for more info on that now.

LCKob,

"< IF this is the case, then this god has an odd sense of humor in that ...supposedly we are made in his image? That we are given a discerning and curious mind intrinsically motivated by curiosity and problem solving ... and yet, we are barred from certain knowledge ... and that god is "unfathomable and unsearchable"?> "


I didn't say that ALL of God was unfathomable and unsearchable. I also don't have a problem with the persuit of technology. It just irritates me that people are always trying to shove God in a box, ye' ole' pigion holer syndrome. I will never agree with anyone trying to equate God with "ETs" God is bigger than us, bigger than the universe, bigger than our wildest imagination, bigger EVEN than any manifestation of Himself we will probably ever see.

When God descended on Mt. Sinai, (The top of the mountain was on 'fire') the descrpition in the Bible could be construed as very "ufo" like by today's standards but do you honestly believe that is the only way he can show Himself to us?

My point is this: WHO knows for sure what's going on out there in the ET realm but you can rest assure that God is MUCH bigger than what you 'perceive'.


UFO's and ETs are an interesting subject but I don't think I will ever believe that our Creator is an "advanced ET". We might 'perceieve' one manifistation of him that way but that's not God as a whole.

The REAL question is what are ET's really??? (And what is their purpose?) You can rest assured that if God has dominion over us and the Universe he SURE has dominion over any "ETS" that reside within it.

If I recall there was a thread on ATS not too long ago concerning "ETs" being part of the dark forces of the devil. Will poke around for that thread when I get a chance.

Originally posted by TxSecret
UFO's and ETs are an interesting subject but I don't think I will ever believe that our Creator is an "advanced ET".

What if it's true? What if the human race was simply created in a lab by an advanced ET being or a race for their own purposes? It doesn't mean they are in any way creators of all things of course, but I see no reason to deny the possibility that the human race were created in a lab of sorts!

We might 'perceieve' one manifistation of him that way but that's not God as a whole.

I agree, but as long as we do not deny ourselves the objective reality of what IS by refusing to believe things because they are "uncomfortable" for us to think about. So if we were created and are maintained as an ET experiment, then that's what we are. So personally I have no bias in terms of what I'd RATHER believe, I am interested in finding out the truth no matter how painful it may be, or how different it may be from all that we're taught to believe.

The REAL question is what are ET's really??? (And what is their purpose?)

Don't forget the unanswered question of what we are and what our purpose may be! Also consider WHOSE purpose - just because something is intended to be for a certain purpose by a certain someone, doesn't mean that this is what will be the ultimate destiny of that certain "something". So even if we were created by ET's for their purpose, we don't have to play along if we don't want to, and if we can, make our own purpose! And if they tell us they are "God almighty", we don't actually have to believe them. Though many people will anyway. But such is the nature of man, to be in an eternal state of illusion, always fooled.

If I recall there was a thread on ATS not too long ago concerning "ETs" being part of the dark forces of the devil. Will poke around for that thread when I get a chance.

A few hundred years ago, any scientific progress was fought by religion as "dark forces of the devil". In fact, religion called anything "dark forces of the devil" when it felt like demonizing something, when it threatened their control over the population. It is just as easy to call something "dark forces of the devil" as it is to call something "holy, Godlike". Just empty words, nothing else.

[edit on 31-10-2005 by lilblam]

I was wondering when lilblam would chime in.

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Research indicates that their method of operation is to first paralyze their victims with an intense white flood-light or sky blue beam.

Originally posted by lilblam
How do they get their victims into their craft after paralyzing them? And who is to say that the paralysis is not a side-effect of a teleporation technology they use?

They get their victims into their craft in a number of ways, none of which involves teleportation. Paralysis is not a side effect of sloppy teleportation; dizziness, headache and nausea IS a side effect of sloppy teleportation.

Originally posted by lilblam
And what if they paralyze people AND teleport them, simply because they don't want a person kicking and screaming nor do they want to build any cages if they don't have to? Seems reasonable to me...

They would not have to paralyze the intended if they teleported them directly to a holding facility. Typically, abductees do not report a holding facility or being teleported into one.

If they truly had teleportation capability, then they could just beam or phase their intended into holding cells on-board their spacecraft.

Originally posted by lilblam
But what if they don't want holding cells when they can simply paralyze the person and so they can handle the person with ease without worrying about any resistance? It seems cells are only required if you do NOT have the paralysis technology, otherwise what's the use for cells? So again I see no reason they can't paralyze and teleport!

You are simply speculating without doing any research. There are no holding cells that abductees report. Typically what happens is they are paralyzed, drugged, and strapped down to an examination table.

They would not have to first paralyze them. So it is safe to assume that they have no teleportation capability.

Originally posted by lilblam
I disagree - I think it is not safe at all to make this assumption, and it is most likely to be incorrect in my opinion.

And you are basing this on what? Speculation again? Bias? Zetan propaganda?

Originally posted by lilblam
Again, if they can paralyze and THEN teleport people, then they would not need space-consuming holding cells, and they wouldn't have a problem with screaming and kicking and resisting. What is wrong with the idea that they are paralyzed and teleported directly to the "laboratory" or whatever other area?

Once again, abductees do not report holding cells but they do report experiencing paralysis.

Despite Zetan propaganda through brainwashed abductees, the aliens in question have no godlike abilities; they cannot read minds, teleport, or walk through walls.

Originally posted by lilblam
Who says those are godlike abilities?

Brainwashed abductees say so. A person who believes his captors have godlike abilities is less likely to attempt fight or flight. This constitutes basic psychological manipulation.

Originally posted by lilblam
That is entirely your perception of such abilities, others don't perceive them as so magical or godlike, but pretty fundemental just like walking.

I didn't realize that telepathy, mind reading, the ability to walk through walls and teleportation are just as fundamental as walking. Do many people do these things where you live? Where was that…THE TWINKIE ZONE?

If the Zetan-aliens were actually God Realized and Ascended Masters of Light

Originally posted by lilblam
These terms are meaningless, just mumbo jumbo - until defined.

You should strive to do so.

Originally posted by lilblam
What if they are Godly Masters of Light-Love Realization in the Ascended Realm of Lightness Everlasting?

What if you had even a shed of rationality behind what you were saying?

Originally posted by lilblam
Or maybe they are Self-Realized Spiritual Masters of the Higher Realm of Godly Beingness? My point is, these pretty "love and light" terms are absolutely nonsense until you define them, otherwise they are just pretty words with absolutley no meaning, though they are pretty imaignative! You can call yourself a master of anything on any level, does not mean that there is such a thing, or that level exists, or you are in any way a "master" or a "God".

Yes...if you don't have a clue as to what God Realization is, then you are better off not attempting to explain it.

Then they would not have to kidnap anyone for anything. They could simply create with The Light exactly what they wanted and needed

Originally posted by lilblam
Who cares if they are God-Realized Masters of Love and Light in the Super-Duper jumbo-dimentional level of Heavenly Godly Creation of Lightness of the Beingness in the blah blah if it is only your assumption that you know what these levels are capable of and what they are not?

I don’t know what your intention is (well, I can guess), but mine is to circumvent ongoing Zetan propaganda through abductees (didn't you say you were one a while back?) in order for others to see the situation more clearly and to not accept the idea that the aliens in question are here to further our evolution. Instead, they are here for their own self-serving interests.

Originally posted by lilblam
Do you think a snail can make conclusions about the capability of the human level from its perspective? And yet you attempt to do just that.

You really should think of yourself as something better than a snail. I mean, it is psychologically unhealthy for you to do so.

Taking the above into account along with the way that they treat most people that they come into contact with -- as laboratory animals -- leads one to conclude that they are not spiritual beings at all, much less God Realized souls.

Originally posted by lilblam
Unless of course God Realized beings sometimes treat people like laboratory animals, and you were led to believe otherwise, and you just fell for it? Or maybe there is no God-Realized beings at all, and the term is entirely meaningless on any level? What does it mean to you?

Compassion dictates evolution.

“Judge them by their fruits.”

You cannot create matter with the physical spectrum of energies, you can only change its form.
Only with The Light Of The God Force on the Other Side can one actually create matter, just as The Original Creator did billions of years ago.

Originally posted by lilblam
Unles of course time doesn't exist, and everything is eternal, and then there is no creation of anything, nor any creator, just infinite existance of all things without any time? Maybe there is no such thing as "billions of years ago" except from our limited perspective only?

Here's one...

You really ARE just a SNAIL on the evolutionary chain, as you imply, and you're relativistic mumbo-jumbo is meaningless tripe.

Originally posted by lilblam
And if true, then maybe you can't create anything using ANY sorts of energies, but only access what already exists? Because if everything that can possibly ever exist already does, then there is no creation! Why assume?

Matter can only be created with The Light Of The God Force. The Zetan-aliens are not God Realized or Ascended Beings of Light and do not have the ability to create matter in ANY capacity. If they could do so, they would not have to resort to kidnapping people for medical experiments and for a long-term breeding program. They could simply manifest with The Light what they want and need.

Originally posted by TxSecret
When it comes to the alien ET element of this discussion, I'm mostly off board but I do have an open mind. I deffinitely beleve there is "something" going on out there but I have no convictions on what 'exactly' is happening. But like I said I do have an open mind and would like to know more.

Paul, I'm interested in this Whitney Streiber incident you speak of.. Looking for more info on that now.

He was interviewed on ATS a while back.

Lilblam,

The thought of an "advanced ET" creating mankind is intriguing but let me tell you why I'm not going to allow myself to embrace that idea to much. Not everyone is going to agree on this with me but where the rubber meets the road is God's word. It's called the Bible. Genesis is pretty explicit in explaining that the same Creator that made the universe is the SAME Creator that made US. I'm going to take His word for it. God also said that he was the Alpha and the Omega He said "I am the I AM". If the same god that said that were just an "ET" as some would like to speculate then he is not telling us the truth. God said that I am the HIGHEST OF THE HIGH.. THERE IS NO ONE BESIDE ME. AGAIN, I'm going to take His word for it.

Now earlier, I explained that a 'manifestation' of God is not representative of Him as a 'whole'.. (Trust me, you could not get your head around the 'whole' God)

Now does any manifestation of God have anything to do with "ETs" as we perceive them? I'm open to that discussion but I will NEVER try to 'sum' God up as just an "ET"..

Just blowing smoke out my wazoo but what IF an advanced "ET" created us? WHO CARES.. that still leaves the question: Who created the ET that created us??? You can't get away from it and you can't get your head around it.

No offense to anyone but the -anointed- word of God in the Bible is my bedrock and I'm not going to sway from it. God is not of this "world" or any "world" the "ETs" reside in. God created us knowing full well that we would never be able to fully comprehend him, that's why he left us his word. He even sent the word in the FLESH-His name was Jesus or Yeshua.

The ET 'part' of this Discussion is fascinating but any effort to 'shoehorn' God into a cubby hole is futile.

Almost forgot...Paul, I have to be honest and tell you I don't completely understand everything you've been saying but I'm working on it.






[edit on 31-10-2005 by TxSecret]

Originally posted by TxSecret

Almost forgot...Paul, I have to be honest and tell you I don't completely understand everything you've been saying but I'm working on it.

Very few understand everything I say the first time around.

You are not alone in that. The site links at the bottom help. Thanks for trying.

The main thing that I think we both agree on is that The Big Bang was manifested not by an advanced extraterrestrial in the flesh, but by a very spiritually advanced Being of Light -- who many call God -- that was not of the flesh and who utilized The Light to start ALL THAT IS, and that those Creation-energies transcend the physical spectrum and run off of a completely different set of principles.

I did not think anyone was interested, wrong there I was. LOL

The more i think on this subject the more the answer seems further away, if you can get that.

Then more areas arise and the whole thing gets complicated so to simplify one thing

1. We are born - Question where if anywhere are we before that time?

2. We live our lifes - by some set of rules - however the more you question the rules - the more trouble you get into to. Or is that just me?

3. We die - so do we go into nothingness (what was the point of being alive then and having all those experiences) or Religion - God accepts us or the other guy. Then again there is the third option Are we an alien ant farm?

Finally I dont think we exist to die and thats it, whats the point there is too much order everywhere for me to think that.

So be it allah or God or any religous icon thats got 75% of my attention. Then theirs the other option, which you have to admit has a chance. Too much activity going on around the world for sane people to think nothing connects us with them so like i say i'll give it 25%.

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
They would not have to paralyze the intended if they teleported them directly to a holding facility.

Again you did not say why it is that they cannot simply paralyze and then teleport the victim? Your rationalization is that if they could teleport people, they would not need to paralyze them because they would just teleport them right into holding cages. However, this ASSUMES that they would prefer holding cages, but because they cannot teleport, they reluctantly resort to paralysis as their 2nd choice. This assumes that paralysis is not their first choice to begin with.

I agree, it is possible that they paralyze BECAUSE they cannot teleport. However, unlike you, I leave open the possibility that they paralyze because that is what they prefer, NOT because they resort to it as some sort of "2nd rate alternative". And as such, I leave open the possibility that they paralyze AND teleport, because that may simply be their preferred method.

Originally posted by lilblam
I disagree - I think it is not safe at all to make this assumption, and it is most likely to be incorrect in my opinion.

And you are basing this on what? Speculation again? Bias? Zetan propaganda?

To the contrary, making assumptions and believing them simply because you want to believe them is what leads to bias and false understanding. To see reality as it is, no assumptions must be made. The reasoning you give is only a possibility, it is NOT a certainty. It is POSSIBLE that they use paralysis BECAUSE they cannot teleport, but it is only a possibility, and it rests on the assumption that if they could teleport they would not paralyze but use cages instead - and that is merely a POSSIBILITY, not a certainty as you seem believe.

A person who believes his captors have godlike abilities is less likely to attempt fight or flight. This constitutes basic psychological manipulation.

Unless of course they do have those abilities. Who says they do not? Your conclusion that they do not so far has been based on a firm belief that your assumption about their methods of handling abductees is a fact, which it is not.

Consider this analogy: The only reason people ride bicycles is because they cannot afford cars. If they could afford a car, they would never ride bicycles!

Is this a fact? No it isn't, it is only true for SOME people, and false for others. But you make the exact same assumption about aliens - you say the only reason they paralyze is because they cannot teleport into cages. If they could, they would never paralyze. And just as in my example you assume that they do not simply prefer to paralyze in the first place. Just as in my example, people who can afford a car may simply PREFER to ride a bicycle.

Do you see what I mean now?

That is what I have been trying to tell you.

[edit on 4-11-2005 by lilblam]

God is an advanced being and he/she/they have an interest in us. I get the feeling though we are a disapointment, all but a few of us that is. I can't see the light yet, there is hope though. I think if we tried harder to get along with each other things would get better. Thanks for the replies an assortment of views as usuall, all appreciated.

Is God advanced? Compared to us he is. Throughout the Bible, it gives plenty of points and miricles he preformend for those who saw to believe in. Is God an E.T.? That one is going to be tough to argue. If he is not of this earth he must be an ET. But what if he is not? I can only guess that he MAY be from another universe or another point in time way before us.The Bible telsl us that he always has been and will always be so I'd say he's been around for a while and has plenty of time on his hands. What are we? We may indeed be a combination of several different life forms. Perhaps God took a little piece of all the other forms of life that must be out there and put it in us hoping we would not screw anything up.

This is a good thread...many thoughtful posts.
I have long held that that which we call God is in fact an Vast, Intelligent Energy Field, that became Aware. First there was the Word. Nobody knows exactly what the Word is, but that was first, according to the Bible. Say that God was this energy field, and then decided to create for itself a corporal human type body....seeing what this was like, it then decided to create many bodies, and then disperse itself into these bodies, ie; we are then God. We know that our Spirit is composed of pure energy, and that energy can never be destroyed. That in itself makes us immortal, never ending. Who is to say that this did not happen?
What gets me is that so many people see God as something "out there," I cannot see this, to me, that which is God/Goddess, the duality of Divinity, is Within, not without.
Another thing is that there once was many Gods and Goddesses, then there was only one. Where did all these other deities go to? Did the God Yawah destroy them all? Why would Yawah create us all, then make a set of rules for us to follow, if not to enslave us to his way? whatever happened to human free will here?
Think about it...if you, reader, could go back in time to earlier days, you could easily be a God to the people there, by doing nothing more that expressing your knowledge, and striking your Bic lighter to make fire. Knowing when an eclipse was going to happen would seal the thing. do you see where I am with this?
Who is to say that any one of us cannot be a God, or a Goddess, simply by gaining knowledge and deciding to separate from matter, becoming pure spirit?
Another thing that has been apparently forgotten is that the Earth is a sentient being too, it is alive, it breathes, it lives. We Wiccans think of Earth as the Earth Mother, the Moon being her mirror. We think of the Sun as our life giver, and what object that we can actually see is more worthy of our worship than the Sun? Without it, we would surely die very quickly.
I will end with a few quotes from the members, with comment....

magnito_student said:

Why ya think all the new prime time shows on tv this season.
Cant hide it forever....

Fortunately they are making shows like "Invasion" and "Threshold" horrible as to desensitize us so we don't utterly freak to something that otherwise would.

Ex: Something shocking has been hidden for a long long time. How can we condition people to where they wont totally freak out? Introduce ideas that are really way more horrible than it really is so when it is finally introduced..it wont be such a shock.

This I fully agree with....TV and movies are trying to get us ready for a few things that we need to know. ET life, a possible alien invasion, the supernatural world, and best of all, a woman President.(Commander in Chief) For me, I will continue to watch TV.

ShadowXIX said:

A type IV civilization could for all practical purposes be God. They would have mastered all space and time. It would seem likely any such civilization would be able to create Type 0 civilization on a planet for whatever reason.

Again, this is to my point.

Thanks for listening...Magickman

If god is an ET I hope he still likes us, as its worse now than it was in the old times (in my opinion).

I was scanning thru all the posts and started thinking....

Assuming humanity was created (as opposed to evolved), we shouldn't be asking WHO god is/was, but WHY we were created in the first place. Why would a benevolent, all-knowing, all-powerful divinity feel the need to create something like humanity?

We are so weak and frail. Does that speak to the nature of the creator?

Why does he/she/it/them even bother with the likes of us? Is immortality really that boring? Or, perhaps more sinister motives are involved?

If god really wants a relationship with us, then why all the smoke and mirrors? Why not just pop in one day and say:

"Hi, this is who I am, this is why I created you, here's the proof, here's what I want you to do, and here's what you and I both get out of the deal".

It's not rocket science. If we were created, then we MUST have a purpose. Just stop jerking us around, tell us what it is, and maybe we'll stop killing each other over disagreements as to what that purpose is.

God can't be a sentient entity else it would be absorbed in ensuring its own survival. It must be more than that, existance on a level where questions of survival do not come into play.

Then God can be engrossed in the management of the universe.