Real Area 51

Area 51 does not have UFO's or stuff like that, its just a cover for Area 19, Why is Area 19 so important? what makes it so recognizable is the 34.5 kilovolt powerline just ending in it, its way more secure than Area 51 because it's in the middle of the NTS, pilots who have landed there have been reported to have needed to wait in midair to make sure no spy satellites were overhead, and if there were no satellites were overhead, then they would activate the sprinklers to wet the runway, because it was blended into the ground, and then their planes were taken underground by a huge elevator, sort of like the elevator on an aircraft carrier, but most people think it's an underground bombing range.

Sounds interesting. I've never heard of Area 19, got any links or sources?

Originally posted by phixion
Sounds interesting. I've never heard of Area 19, got any links or sources?

yeah, i was on area51zone.com and i thought it sounded cool, so i went and did a search on google for area 19, and that is pretty much my source, Google Search: Area 19

Originally posted by phixion
Sounds interesting. I've never heard of Area 19, got any links or sources?

Just had a quick look and found this.......................

www.serve.com...

www.area51zone.com...



[edit on 19-10-2005 by Mindwalker]

"The Cheshire Airstrip

There is a fairly reliable (at least in my judgment) story of a "disappearing airstrip" and some sort of related semi-underground facility (click here to see the full story). The location given for this airstrip was Dead Horse Flat, in the center of Area 19."

What the?!

Originally posted by Mindwalker

Originally posted by phixion
Sounds interesting. I've never heard of Area 19, got any links or sources?

Just had a quick look and found this.......................

www.serve.com...

www.area51zone.com...

[edit on 19-10-2005 by Mindwalker]

yeah, those are my main 2 sources

If they wet the runway down wouldnt it take too long to dry and the spy sats they check for would be able to see it clearly??

Originally posted by warpboost
If they wet the runway down wouldnt it take too long to dry and the spy sats they check for would be able to see it clearly??

i guess they dont worry about that and it probably is just absorbed into the ground in a couple of minutes since the ground is so dry there and the temperature is probably about an annual 85-90 degrees farenheit

Is there any satellite images that can show where exactly this place is at?

Originally posted by Razgriz
i guess they dont worry about that and it probably is just absorbed into the ground in a couple of minutes since the ground is so dry there and the temperature is probably about an annual 85-90 degrees farenheit

So is the runway paved with asphalt or concrete or is just dirt There would be no purpose in wetting a paved runway to make it visible since it would already be unless is was painted some camo scheme, but then wetting it wouldnt do much. I can't see a dirt runway being used for top secret aircraft programs It just doesnt add up in my mind and I am hoping you can clarify. Thanks

Originally posted by Razgriz
Area 51 does not have UFO's or stuff like that, its just a cover for Area 19,

Area 51 is not a cover for any place its still the best place to test new aircraft in the US. Super long runway + dry lake bed + ultra secure = ideal place to test new aircraft.

As for Area 19 nobody knows what it is used for if anything at all. The sprinkler runway is all speculation the only fact we have is that is got some powerlines ending in the middle of nowhere. If anything is done there I doubt it was anything to do with aircraft testing or production. It does not have the resources to do that.

That being said there are a number of secret projects that the military would not need a airfield hangers etc.. for and could be done entirely underground

Originally posted by warpboost

Originally posted by Razgriz
i guess they dont worry about that and it probably is just absorbed into the ground in a couple of minutes since the ground is so dry there and the temperature is probably about an annual 85-90 degrees farenheit

So is the runway paved with asphalt or concrete or is just dirt

There would be no purpose in wetting a paved runway to make it visible since it would already be unless is was painted some camo scheme, but then wetting it wouldnt do much. I can't see a dirt runway being used for top secret aircraft programs

It just doesnt add up in my mind and I am hoping you can clarify. Thanks

no, it's camoflauged to look like dirt, it's kinda like what they do at s4, since a satellite isnt that good from 10,000 feet trying to see a discrepancy between one section of ground and another, the only way a satellite from that high up could see something like a runway, is if that runway was a different color than its surroundings, so mabye the only reason why we cant see the runway at area 19 is that it is painted to blend in with the ground

they use sprinklers for making the runway stand out from the ground, because in a desert what would catch your eye more; a runway painted with some cammo scheme, or a wet runway?

Originally posted by Razgriz

no, it's camoflauged to look like dirt, it's kinda like what they do at s4, since a satellite isnt that good from 10,000 feet trying to see a discrepancy between one section of ground and another, the only way a satellite from that high up could see something like a runway, is if that runway was a different color than its surroundings,

Whats this 1975? We have Satellites that can see more then the visible spectrum. Radar images for example helped researchers find a previously unknown section of the ancient city of Angkor in Cambodia. A huge complex, now largely hidden beneath dense jungle growth. Imaging radar can see through tree canopies, vegetation, clouds and the dark of night. It can even look several feet below Earth's surface when the conditions are right.

In Chaco Canyon, New Mexico, researchers found long buried prehistoric roads using a remote sensing instrument capable of detecting small changes in heat on Earth's surface. The instrument, the airborne precursor of the Advanced Spaceborne Thermal Emission and Reflection Radiometer (ASTER) now flying on the Terra satellite, detected more than 200 miles of a prehistoric roadway system, as well as ancient buildings and fields.

Originally posted by Razgriz
they use sprinklers for making the runway stand out from the ground, because in a desert what would catch your eye more; a runway painted with some cammo scheme, or a wet runway?

A paved surface wouldnt be all tha much more visible when wet, especially if it's painted in a camo scheme to begin with. Do the pilots not have any navigation equipment like GPS to find it so they have to rely on sprinklers A modern spy sat isnt good at 10K ftThey could read licsense plates in the 70's and have had resolution of just a few milimeters for a while meaning they can read what cigarette your smoking if they really wanted to but they can't see a runway since it's painted camosounds like horse puckey to me.

Originally posted by Razgriz

...a satellite isnt that good from 10,000
feet trying to see a discrepancy between
one section of ground and another...

What satellites are orbiting at only 10k?


Sarge

Originally posted by Kamikazi
Is there any satellite images that can show where exactly this place is at?

Yes there is. Flashearth link:
Area 19 Dead Horse Flat

There are at least two of what resemble landing strip near that site. One at SW and one at NE. I don't think either of those are 'the hidden landstrip' as mentioned here.



[edit on 20-10-2005 by slas]

Originally posted by warpboost
So is the runway paved with asphalt or concrete or is just dirt

There would be no purpose in wetting a paved runway to make it visible since it would already be unless is was painted some camo scheme, but then wetting it wouldnt do much. I can't see a dirt runway being used for top secret aircraft programs

It just doesnt add up in my mind and I am hoping you can clarify. Thanks

From the info that I have found, the base seems to be mainly an underground research facility. I don't think they do fight testing there. The high voltage power lines suggest it might involve Lasers, or some other type of directed energy weapons.

Second, I tend to lean toward the dirt runway theory. A dirt runway would be easy to hide, and if they only use it occasionly to bring in people and suppies, it would be more cost effective.

Tim

It seems kind of pointless to visually camouflage a runway. It would be too easy to detect in other spectra (IR, UV, SAR). You just can't hide it.

I last visited Area 19 in April 1997. Not much going on there at the time. The most impressive feature I saw was BOXCAR crater. That's one impressive hole.

Originally posted by Shadowhawk
I last visited Area 19 in April 1997. Not much going
on there at the time. The most impressive feature
I saw was BOXCAR crater. That's one impressive hole.

The NTS maps show Boxcar in area 20.

How is it that you were allowed to visit 19?
That's traditionally the most off limits area
at NTS.


Sarge