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22But now he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.
Originally posted by jfdarby
Faith / Works !!!!!!!!!
I Hear that Faith will cause works,, You can be with God with Faith and Works But if you only do works, You will never see Heaven..
Faith + Works = Heaven
Faith = Heaven
Works = Nothing
How can you think that only works will work , But through faith you will do the works, and the works without faith is dead !!!!!!!!!!!
by Mahree: These actions are what we call "works". And no, we do not believe that you can get into heaven by just doing "good works".
Originally posted by Mahree
Now, when you are saved by "faith" do you not also try to please Jesus?
Originally posted by Mahree
Is Jesus happy if you go out and murder someone and do not repent. I can't understand how if you believe and love Jesus you could go out and murder someone anyhow. So doesn't that negate the fact that you are "saved"?
Originally posted by Mahree
Whew! Even if I haven't expressed myself well I hope you get the picture because I have wanted to discuss this for years.
Originally posted by saint4God
Originally posted by Mahree
Now, when you are saved by "faith" do you not also try to please Jesus?
by saint: Sure, but what if you're out of time?
Originally posted by Mahree
Is Jesus happy if you go out and murder someone and do not repent. I can't understand how if you believe and love Jesus you could go out and murder someone anyhow. So doesn't that negate the fact that you are "saved"?
by saint: I think it's a "tell-tale" sign of the heart. If you intentionally murder someone, then everyone else can see there's something missing in your life (meaning God). HOWEVER! You do not have to murder someone for God to be missing in your life in different moments. "You have heard that is was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgement. But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgement." (Matthew 4:21) Jesus says in essence, "Don't even think it!", meaning anger, because that too is a sin. How many times have you been angry? I've murdered many family, friends and people I don't even know in my heart according to Jesus. There will be many, many times we will sin and no wo/man will ever see it.
by saint: Oh good! Then by all means, let's discuss
Originally posted by Mahree
Do you mean like Dismas? He did repent before he died. Do we know that Jesus does not give all that same option? What is your answer?
Originally posted by Mahree
This is true, but I know when I am angry with others and I know what Jesus has said about that. Not only anger but gossip, yes?
Originally posted by Mahree
That effectively "kills" too. I do repent when this happens and try very hard to not let it happen again. Over the many years I think that I have gotten a little bit better. I only used murder as an example to ask what happens when one is "saved" but commits murder and does not repent?
Originally posted by saint4God
Originally posted by Mahree
Do you mean like Dismas? He did repent before he died. Do we know that Jesus does not give all that same option? What is your answer?
by saint: Ya. Repenting right before you die does not give the opportunity to "rally points" by good works. It looks like that person gets to heaven the same as the life-long Christian charity worker.
I only used murder as an example to ask what happens when one is "saved" but commits murder and does not repent?
by saint: Ooh, tricky one! Suppose someone died right after murdering out of a lapse of not having God. Would a Christian ever have such a lapse? Hm.... Now we're getting into the fine print I think. Anyone else wanna chime in while I give it some thought?
How can you think that only works will work , But through faith you will do the works, and the works without faith is dead
Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and anyone who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man's reward.
Originally posted by junglejake
How can you think that only works will work , But through faith you will do the works, and the works without faith is dead
by junglejake: That confused me
by junglejake:First, in the parable of the prodigal son, the son who stayed at home doing good works consistently didn't receive the same reward as the rebellious son. Luke 15:25-32
by junglejake: Now, I don't know how y'all feel about heaven, but I suspect that the scripture indicates there are various degrees of reward in heaven. After all, we are called to store up treasure in heaven, not on earth.
by junglejake: Now for the wrench...Can we get someone else's reward in heaven? If I'm just Junglejake living my life, can I receive the reward of a prophet, or a righteous man?
Yep, straight from the mouth of Christ in Matthew 10:41:
Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and anyone who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man's reward.
Originally posted by jfdarby
Mahree,,,,,,,
I Must have not been paying attention there, If You will let me go on this one I'll promise not to do it again.....(on purpose) Sorry...
by jfdarby: As reading all the Post, I have been Move by the way God will give some time to repent, Like The mean person is on the death bed for 6 weeks in order to get in good with God...
And then person that is killed so fast that even they don't know whats Happen...
Each person has his own way to make it Right with God, There probly is not two the same that goes the same way...........
Originally posted by Mahree
I hope you are correct. Jesus gave Dismas the chance just before he died, perhaps we will also have a like opportunity? My hope would be to stay current with God, if possible, using the last minute reprieve for an unforeseen emergency.
Could it be that God gives everyone one the Grace, but some do not recognize it or do not want to accept it?
Originally posted by junglejake
Can an individual be saved by faith alone?
Originally posted by DaTruth
Faith without actions is dogma
Originally posted by DaTruth
so i would have to say no. It's all about your deeds not your creed.
by JungleJake: "There are no guarantees, though. On top of that, if your plan is to repent on your deathbed and live life today ignoring God...What are the chances that you'll be faithful to that idea? You have recognized there might be a God, but you really don't have any faith in Christ as your savior"
Could it be that God gives everyone one the Grace, but some do not recognize it or do not want to accept it?
What is Grace? How does He show us grace? It is true that we cannot convince someone Christianity is the true path without God opening the person's heart, but at the same time, Revelation reveals that He stands at the door and knocks
Faith without actions is dogma so i would have to say no. It's all about your deeds not your creed.
The faith requirement is scripture, not dogma (John 3:16). I think a lot of people like saying the word "dogma" because is has the word "dog" in it and sounds like a relative to karma.
My friends, it is not about faith; it is not about works. It is about divine love (agape). Faith and works are too often thought of as different aspects of a spiritual life, but they are both reflections of God's perfect love cultivated within our hearts.
Faith is nothing more than loving God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength. It is through God's love for us and our love for Him that we are saved. Works is nothing more than loving your neighbor as yourself. It is through our love of others that we do works. If one loves as one should, one cannot walk past one in need without offering assistance. But, it is not stopping and giving which is treasured, but the love which motivates it.
... and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
James 2:14: "What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?"
For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life.
John 3: 21, But whoever lives the truth comes to the light, so that his works may be clearly seen as done in God.
"If it were the other way, I'd have to ask (yet again on this thread) how many "good deeds" does it take to "earn" your way into heaven?
It's all about your creed, not your deeds. "
Matthew chapter 25, The Judgment of the Nations: Verses 32 and 33: and all the nations will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. " Verse 35,36: For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty
and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me, naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.
Verse 40: And the king will say to them in reply, "Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me."
Verse 45,46: He will answer them, Amen, I say to you, what you
did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me. And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."