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Originally posted by siriuslyone
There is another thread that has been active asking 'where are all the birds'?
I have 20 acres of virgin woods and have been used to having hundreds of birds and owls.They are POOF~gone..for about a year now.
Is there any way the local birds are dying from this?
Help, I am beginning to sweat it..
Infected birds shed flu virus in their saliva, nasal secretions. and feces. Susceptable birds become infected when they have contact with contaminated excretions or surfaces that are contaminated with excretions. It is believed that most cases of bird flu infection in humans have resulted from contact with infected poultry or contaminated surfaces.
www.boston.com... Bush wants right to use military if bird flu hits
By Charles Aldinger | October 4, 2005
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush asked Congress on Tuesday to consider giving him powers to use the military to enforce quarantines in case of an avian influenza epidemic.
He said the military, and perhaps the National Guard, might be needed to take such a role if the feared H5N1 bird flu virus changes enough to cause widespread human infection.
"If we had an outbreak somewhere in the United States, do we not then quarantine that part of the country? And how do you, then, enforce a quarantine?" Bush asked at a news conference.
"It's one thing to shut down airplanes. It's another thing to prevent people from coming in to get exposed to the avian flu. And who best to be able to effect a quarantine?" Bush added.
"One option is the use of a military that's able to plan and move. So that's why I put it on the table. I think it's an important debate for Congress to have."
Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman told reporters he was not aware of any current planning by the military to help respond to a flu pandemic.
Are we going to let Uncle Sam have the Military Policing us over 60 deaths in Asia?
Originally posted by whita
I was watching a documentary last Friday in which they said the first case of human-to-human transfer had been recorded.
westpoint
there is no strand of this virus that can be transferred from human to human, yet
ATSNN: In your opinion has H5N1, or some variation of it, achieved sustained human-to-human transmission in the Asia/Pacific region?
Niman: H5N1 is transmitting human to human. How sustained this transmission has been is difficult to accurately assess because testing has been virtually non-existent in many countries and there appear to be milder version transmitting in northern Vietnam. The situation in China is uncertain. Third party reports have described sustained transmission of milder strains. However, China has never reported a human case of H5N1 and information flow from China appears to be decreasing. Sustained transmission of a highly fatal disease will eventually be exported. Right now the clear export is H5N1 infected birds, which have spread throughout Asia.
ATSNN: The Indonesian health authorities seem very concerned about the fact the three family members who died from H5N1 this month did not have exposure to live poultry. WHO is being more guarded in this, stating they want "further investigation" into that claim. Do you have anything you can share with us on this situation?
Niman: The disease onset dates for the Indonesian families strongly suggests human-to-human transmission within the family. The exposure of the index case remains unclear. The surviving family has insisted that there was no exposure to poultry. H5N1 has been detected in poultry and swine in the area and additional unrelated cases are under investigation. The track record of Indonesia reports of H5N1 in birds is less than ideal as are initial reports on this family, which raises the possibility of additional cases which could have contributed to the infection of the index case.
westpoint
Anyone recall the year 1918?
Originally posted by worldwatcher
well how exactly do you control the outbreak of a pandemic without a quarantine?? And I would think the Military is most prepared to enforce such a quarantine.
Feather pillows may carry Asian bird flu
Poultry feathers imported from China to make products such as pillows could carry the avian flu virus, says a British microbiologist who is urging the British Government to consider banning them.
We report the first case of avian influenza in a patient with fever and diarrhea but no respiratory symptoms. Avian influenza should be included in the differential diagnosis for patients with predominantly gastrointestinal symptoms, particularly if they have a history of exposure to poultry.
Atypical avian influenza (H5N1). Emerg Infect Dis. 2004 Jul;10(7):1321-4. Apisarnthanarak A, Kitphati R, Thongphubeth K, Patoomanunt P, Anthanont P, Auwanit W, Thawatsupha P, Chittaganpitch M, Saeng-Aroon S, Waicharoen S, Apisarnthanarak P, Storch GA, Mundy LM, Fraser VJ. Thammasart University Hospital, Klong Luang, Pratumthani, Thailand. PMID: 15324560
"After the 2001 anthrax attacks, U.S. officials urged states to update old quarantine laws."
www.charlotte.com...
U.S. CONCENTRATION CAMPS
"Dr. Keiji Fukuda, an influenza expert at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.But Fukuda said H5N1 was spreading so fast and so far that traditional efforts to control it - culling, vaccinating and quarantining flocks - would not always work.
Bird flu may be in Asia to stay, officials fear
Originally posted by justme1640
I am more alarmed by the fact that Bush is actually voicing a concern about Avian Flu -- my feeling is more one of - what does he know that we don't know yet?
Have there actually been a few cases of human to human contact they haven't told us -- and is there a possiblity of someone in early stages of infection (perhaps someone who was at that zoo?) who has gotten on a plane and is somewhere in the US or Canada and they are just waiting for the first cases to be diagnosed?
September, 2004: Re: Bird flu
"It seems this virus (H5N1 bird flu) is quite versatile - it appears in pigs, cats and other animals, so it can appear in places that were never thought about before." Omi said. "This virus is very infectious," he added. (Shigeru Omi, WHO regional director for the Western Pacific)
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Fearful expert tells of bird flu in pigs
Rest of story here.
The Spanish flu was the most devastating epidemic of modern times...possibly all times. When it struck it killed more than the world war. Over 100,000,000 people died world wide. Now there are worries that the new bird flu may be worse. There is gene work being done now on a frozen sample of the original trying to make a vaccine. The worries is that the original flu was transported around the world three times and this was before the mass transportation of airplanes.
Originally posted by soficrow
Originally posted by justme1640
I am more alarmed by the fact that Bush is actually voicing a concern about Avian Flu -- my feeling is more one of - what does he know that we don't know yet?
Justme - you should read at least one or 2 of the links provided above. FYI -
Scoficrow says
Well there you have it. The sketch, with references. But hey. Don't let the facts get in your way...
Justme said
Have there actually been a few cases of human to human contact they haven't told us -- and is there a possiblity of someone in early stages of infection (perhaps someone who was at that zoo?) who has gotten on a plane and is somewhere in the US or Canada and they are just waiting for the first cases to be diagnosed?
Yes.
See: March 8, 2005 Version: CDC "Key Facts" about bird flu
For example, the current CDC fact sheet says H5N1 bird flu doesn't cross species barriers. In fact, H5N1's ability to cross species is what makes it so dangerous. Over the past few years, H5N1 has been reported in birds, pigs, cats and other animals.