British responsible for most terrorism

Originally posted by FULCRUM
There is this "Britt".. Abu Hamsa.. his a real terrorist as famous as OBL, and at large in UK..

Whats up with that?

What's up with it is that you haven't done your homework and you've made a totally incorrect statement which just goes to show your ignorance.

Hamza is not a Brit and he is not welcome in the UK. At the moment he is fighting deportation back to his native Egypt.

Blaming people for things that happened in the past won't fix anything,that's true,so in the event you want to fix things that were done in the past I suppose you should take great care not to offend any of the lineage of the ones who did the damage,and in trying not to offend anyone,you will get absolutely nothing done.
Nevermind.just leave things like they are,they will fix themselves.......
Because people have not known anything different in their lifetimes,just leave it as it is.OK........
Political correctness is more important than anything else in the whole wide world. (sarcasm)

Originally posted by Leveller

Originally posted by FULCRUM
There is this "Britt".. Abu Hamsa.. his a real terrorist as famous as OBL, and at large in UK..

Whats up with that?

What's up with it is that you haven't done your homework and you've made a totally incorrect statement which just goes to show your ignorance.

Hamza is not a Brit and he is not welcome in the UK. At the moment he is fighting deportation back to his native Egypt.

That why i used "Britt".. but he is citizen of GB. He lives in GB. So he is a "Britt".

If he wasnt "wellcome" he would have been long gone or killed by SAS/MI6, just like Lennon, Diana or Dr.Kelly.. as SAS/MI6 doesnt have problems even in killing well known people.

And crippled Abu Hamsa is NOT a exeption.

[Edited on 13-9-2003 by FULCRUM]

Unbalanced you said in your first post that we deserve a butt kicking for getting your country involved with the mess our forebears made in Iraq and that you look forward to that day, therefore you are not laying and keeping the blame with those responsible in the past but carrying it forewards to the present, that's offensive, arbitary and unfair. Fulcrum as for Abu Hamza, he is hated and loathed by the people of this country but he is taking advantage of the European court of human rights bill and it's politically correct whittering that makes it impossible to deal quickly and efficiantly with the maverick, disruptive and anti-social elements that plague our country. Taking a leaf from unbalanced book and seeing as how political correctness originated in the US I will now blame the US for all the problems we now encounter in Britain. Sound fair to you!!!(sarcasm)

[Edited on 13-9-2003 by ubermunche]

I don't see how the British are responsible for terrorism. True, they did some nasty things centuries ago, but then again just about everyone else has too. Don't forget that just before the Revolutionary War, many Americans would have loved to hang King George and drag his body through the streets of Boston. (don't get me wrong, I love my country. Just pointing out simple facts)

Killing today is not justified by what happened centuries ago. Thats like you being forced to pay a debt owed by your great-grandfather. If anyone is to blame, it's the terrorists themselves who are driven by a hatred of anything different as they twist the meanings of their religion.

As for myself, I'm glad the U.S. has a friend in the U.K. These are troubled days and one of the things we need in such times is friends....especially when so much hatred is directed toward us.

Originally posted by FULCRUM

That why i used "Britt".. but he is citizen of GB. He lives in GB. So he is a "Britt".

If he wasnt "wellcome" he would have been long gone or killed by SAS/MI6, just like Lennon, Diana or Dr.Kelly.. as SAS/MI6 doesnt have problems even in killing well known people.




Yeah. And by the logic contained in the final sentence above, I can see that you're just as misguided as Hamza himself.

Hamza is not a citizen of GB as you claim.



BTW. It's "Brit" not "Britt". There's only one "T" in "Britain".

Well lets bring this back. Its not the British though, its the Catholics.

Although some of the past pillaging of Muslim nations by the British Empire during their aggressive colonial years seem to be reprehensible, I don't think that it is just to take such a retrospective stance in order to find a scapegoat on whom we can hurl accusations and abuses at in order to vanquish our frustrations.

I think that it would be scurrilous to invoke anti-British sentiment and place blame on the Brits for the foreign policy they employed centuries ago, as the world order that was in place during that era is in distinct contrast to that of which is being played out before us today. In those times, there were several other beurgeoning empires, such as those of the Spanish, the Portugese and the French, all of whom would have perpetrated similar atrocities likened to those of the Brits, yet compared to the lasting influence that the British atrocities seem to have had, their's have had little implication upon the series of major global events that afflict us in this present day.

I think that it is just a matter of happenstance and a series of unpredictable ongoing events that have lead to the situation of this present day, a situation that the British would have never been able to portend when they set off to explore the world all those centuries ago.

My IQ has dropped about 10 points after reading this thread, there are some real stupid people in this world that just shouldnt be allowed access to computers for their own sake.

Originally posted by Leveller
Of course us Brits are responsible for the majority of the World's terrorism.

We created America.

Bingo. I couldn't agree more. Want to see why terrorism and supplying it is such a booming bussiness, look to American foreign policy.

Somalia.

Vietnam.

Afghanistan.

Oh, that last one I threw in there for kicks. It really helps to stabilize a region when you funnel arms to freedom fighters and then turn your back on them once the fighting's done.

Don't blame this on the distant past. Look at the last sixty years- Americans have quite an impressive line of # ups. Want me to call this one? The US gets out of Iraq due to mounting casualties and worsening public opinion. Yeah, I'm sorry- you can't keep a nation geared towards a thinly veiled expansionist war forever.

At any rate, you want proof of what I say? Look at this- Canadians in Afghanistan have faced fairly minimal resistance from locals over the last few years, whereas the Iraqis fight the Americans tooth and nail.

Don't worry kids, history is being written as we speak. Future generatiosn will look back on these events and shake their heads, just like we shake our heads at the folly of vietnam.

DE

Originally posted by Flyer
My IQ has dropped about 10 points after reading this thread, there are some real stupid people in this world that just shouldnt be allowed access to computers for their own sake.

Ugg. I'm starting agree with you, Flyer. But I have a humanitatiran streak that tells me to go about tryign to educate people. Be thankful you don't...

DE

Originally posted by jetsetter
The British are the ones really responsible for all the terrorism going on these days. The British were the ones who went on the crusades and invaded the middle east.

*sigh* GO BACK TO SCHOOL BEFORE YOU POST SUCH BULLSHIAT HERE AGAIN!

I can't even stand that this topic got so many replies. His statement is just pure show-off of non-existing knowledge. Jeeesus!

I changed it. The Catholics and the British. The Catholics for the Crusades and the British for carving up the middle east into the countries we have today.

Originally posted by goregrinder

we were the only empire which has left most of the colonies on friendly terms, not with blood and war.

Although i don't agree with jetsetter, the above quote is ludicrous. Africa? Scotland? India? Ireland? America? Give me a break, at the pinnacle of British domination, there were none (pre-hitler) so tyrannical. Don't understate.

Originally posted by goregrinder

we were the only empire which has left most of the colonies on friendly terms, not with blood and war.

Although i don't agree with jetsetter, the above quote is ludicrous. Africa? Scotland? India? Ireland? America? Give me a break, at the pinnacle of British domination, there were none (pre-hitler) so tyrannical. Don't understate.

There were MANY nations more tyrannical than Britain. Never heard of the Spanish inquisistion, the Conquistadors destruction of Mexico? The Americans deliberately infecting Indian tribes with smallpox?


I also find it rather amusing that those who taken the anti-British stance always tend to 'forget' just how much Britain GAVE to the world (sad to say we also created Modern America).

Either way, the Commonwealth is all the evidence you need of the countries we once ruled and left on friendly terms. And those that today are awash with bloodshed and war are so because despots and dictators took control when the British left.

Originally posted by goregrinder

Give me a break, at the pinnacle of British domination, there were none (pre-hitler) so tyrannical. Don't understate.

You may also want to educate yourself a little about the Roman empire, and the Vikings. They were both somewhat slightly more bloodthirsty than the British when it came to their 'customer relations' department.

Originally posted by goregrinder

we were the only empire which has left most of the colonies on friendly terms, not with blood and war.

Although i don't agree with jetsetter, the above quote is ludicrous. Africa? Scotland? India? Ireland? America? Give me a break, at the pinnacle of British domination, there were none (pre-hitler) so tyrannical. Don't understate.

OOOPS! And lasty, before I forget, to bring this back to the present, only ONE country is responsible for our immediate global terrorism problem, America.

If just one of you though to stop and question WHY a bunch of Arabs felt they needed to crash planes into the WTC, well, the situation may be a little different today.