British responsible for most terrorism

Well, I can forgive and forget. I feel closer to the US than I do to all the European countries (especially those damned french).

Hey the British have offered no more terrorism upon the world than any other nations of power whether nationalist or fundamental since the dawn of man. Anyone here willing to admit, at least to themselves, they have held ground over another in conflict. Shame on you terrorists. Listen folks, we gotta be striaght here. I am a Canadian citizen, I hold our american and British friends in high regard-referring to individuals not countrymen. We stayed out because we don't have stakes in the future of world politics. We will always be the dumb, poor people who stand in the line of fire between sides. Peacekeeping is just a cover for budget adjustments a la Canadian military complex. Thta's a laugh. Complex? More like an alcove with some old textbooks by Grant. We are not per capita gun bearers as it wuld take a novel in paperwork, training, (it's more boot camp for the reserves, yes our reserves are our forces, hah) and years of crap to even get a gun. By and large in Canada we didn't respond like the British so in essence we chose not to take the American bribe held out to other nations for oil dominance. We all know that oil schmoil, its is s stupid and outdatted fuel source. I mean our automobiles still run on lamp oil, but we can see to the end of known space and have wormhole theories and neutron bombs on the horizon. Here in Canada we grow up with a C+ to A- educational mean and little violence. This, is in part to MUCH smaller population spreads demographically and (smaller should mean more money to th eeverage consumer here but we don't have the boullion) tighter small communities. We only have a handful of remarkably large Urban centres. Most canadians just do the 9 to 5. We are not perfect. I almost resent the advantages that American, British and some Euro nations enjoy, even just in lifestyle. Let us not even look to the middle-east for culprits. Who really believes that a bunch a straggling guerillas in the middle-east actually operatted with covert precision to the extent of fooling the CIA, the FBI and even the NSA? They are in rags, starving, and in a state of chaos. Even before the war there over in Iraq, they weren't even close to attacking anything with severe reprecussion. Didn't the United States openly keep th eworld posted on North Korea's development of a nuclear arsenal while doing nothing to truly negotiate, (They backed out of the deal they HAD with N.K.) and all the while blew up and attacked the majority of open desert for oil in Iraq who was NEVER a threat.
besides, why the news? Why didn't they just go in and do what they had to do? America aside, what of Ghengis Khan? Caesar?
How much coercing do you think it would have taken to make you pull one of those stones from the Great pryramid? Ramses used terror too. All said: I think we should focus on topical value, (not in any particular interpretation of the word) but I mean terrorism is designed by those filled with fear who want to rid thenselves of it.
Some men would rather leave a friend in a fight for fear of self sustained injury. They are the ones ususally found afterwards saying things like: Ya should've seen it, and so on. No one but those who pursue power for themselves create terrorism. National blame is a useless generalization. EG. I don't like the American government, but that does not affect my view of the wonderful American friends I have, or you Americans out there wingin' it like the rest of us. National labels are imaginary. Every gov't official is just a person not a god. Likewise nations as countries defined by borders are just merely people dispersed demographically with by-products being: Culture, trade, commerce, education, communication, energy and the like. Even these 'social organisms' are not individually responsible. in the end it will always be people like us who talk of this rather than some thing else, like rugby or tulips. Content determines perspective. perspective make you speak for yourselves. One world, one people, one voice. Cheers.

Jetsetter i am absolutely incensed by what you have written, i will reply when i simmer down.

I do not have have any thing againts the British people ok. I just wanted to write down what I have been thinking about for the past few months. I am sorry The Real Deal, I was just posting my ideas. It might not be fact and I thank you people for correcting me. I just hope you dont get really mad. I just wanted to know what you guys thought of this subject. The United States owes the British for its exsistance and I thank them for that. You have to understand that these are just some ideas I have been thinking about. I am sorry for the harsh words and if you are affended please forgive me.

[Edited on 11-9-2003 by jetsetter]

The British and the US are against every other country on the planet,and it has been that way since right after WWII,economic control over third world countries is what keeps them third world countries,if these countries rise up and try to take their countries back they are destroyed,with military force and with dirty economics maneuvers,assassinations and deceit.
It happened in:
-cambodia
-vietnam
-mexico
-el salvador
-iraq
-afghanistan
-china
-every african country except zambia.(I think)
-more...
many of these countries were accused of being communist,this is a lie.
Communism is a reaction to capitalism,not the opposite of it.
Terrorists come from the countries that have been opressed,or fight against the countries who do all of the opressing.Terrorists don't exist in the way we are led to believe,of course there will be more terrorists popping up since there are laws that have been passed in britain and the US that tag crimes that have always been there with the new name of terrorist this or that.
It's all a lie.

as for the crusades blame the pope

I'd say America is just as responsible for terrorism as the next guy, Look at our foriegn policies...

[Edited on 11-9-2003 by Lysergic]

owes the british a good ass kicking for dragging it back into a mess like it fought it's way out of the first time when it became the US.
Can't wait to see the day......

Extremists are responsible for terrorism, reasonable people can sort out their differences with dialogue. It is the extremists in the Palestinian and Israeli camps that are preventing peace in that region today.

Every country in the world creates terrorists, the powerless often want power. This will never change.

It took thirty years for the violence in N Ireland to cease and there were no winners, only losers. Bush is lying about his aims, he must know terrorism is impossible to defeat by way of war.

The British Empire was very cruel at times, but this country has learned a lot from it's experiences in other countries.

The british and the US have learned a lot from their experiences in other countries,like how to lie about their true purposes for being there,and lie about what they are doing there,and most importantly how to shift the blame toward other governments to cover their dealings.
It's all a fabrication or a ruse or a cover story.
Third world countries don't exist as third world countries until the British or the US or both make them and keep them third world countries,there are other countries involved,but by coercion.
Extremists don't just fall from the sky,they are made.
Reasonable people don't attack a comparatively helpless country such as Iraq,so how is it you can consider the US and Britain reasonable?,the whole planet was against the attack,they still attacked,and now they admit they had no evidence to justify it at all.
When people stop justifying what is done wrong out of loyalty to their governments,and force them to be accountable,then and only then will the terrorist problem be solvable.
Stop reciting your conditioned response.

Of course us Brits are responsible for the majority of the World's terrorism. We Created America.

Thank you, Leveler, for finally muttering something useful!

Cant blame Brits alone tho. America was aproduct of French, Spanish, and British colonies.

At least Britain learned its lessons. cant say the same about us .

I just cant let this post slide - OMG someone looked into some history of the crusades - OK some facts for you

Britain has not always been one state (and indeed today isnt really)

Our nation has conducted religious campaigns against it own people throughout most of history - google Henry and the Catholic Church, the disolution of the Monestaries, hell even the English Civil War - not to mention the Irish Wars

In 1066 we were invaded by the Normans - yep the French who conducted pogroms against the natives in the aim of ethnic clensing.

Prior to that we had the Vikings (sorry to use a generic phrase for a wide spread set of invasions) all centered on suppression of a native people -

Want me to start on the Roman invasions in 500bc ?

The short is terrorism has existed for way longer than "the modern age"

Actually and argueably the first "terrorist" event of the 20th Century was the assasination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand by Gabarillo Princip - a Serbian on an Austrian - and that led to WW1

so there is little point in trying to lay the blame anywhere.

Perhaps if you follow the trail - it might point to a Tailor of a US president who pursuaded that president to accept Palestine as a homeland for the jews over the wishes of the British Jewish movement - who were prepared to settle in Madagascar ?


This is a very deep well you wish to delve

My opinion of your statement? Very shallow, overly simplistic and couldn't be defended against a half-witted attack.

Its getting time for me to bail.

Originally posted by uNBaLaNCeD
owes the british a good ass kicking for dragging it back into a mess like it fought it's way out of the first time when it became the US.
Can't wait to see the day......

Could you explain that one please!

It seems that somewhere over the passing years, the US government adopted the same behavioral traits as the British government.

The US government is beginning to look like abunch of imperialist bullies.

Somehow,there seem to be very warm relations between Britain and the US ,since they went
against the entire planet and did Iraq anyway.

Things never change enough,but they do change enough for people to hope they change for the better.

Keeps em distracted and hoping.

So how come the UK deserves an arse kicking from the US because they decided to adopt the same strategies, no one forced them. Let a country take the blame for it's own mistakes, if mistakes they are, that's a very skewed way of passing the buck. Unfortunately any country that attains significant power doesn't do so because they were too nice. As for the 'Braveheart' mentality, people need to read up on their history, not history according to Hollywood.

[Edited on 12-9-2003 by ubermunche]

First of all don't blame Christians for the Crusades, blame the Catholic Church which killed Christians as well as Jews and Muslims.

Russia, believe it or not, is probably the number one funder of terrorism. I've heard Arafat is a Russian puppet. Here's some possible analysis on Arafat.

1. He's not an Arab, he's Egyptian. 2. He's not Muslim. 3. He's a flaming homo. Who better to have as a puppet?

Flaming homo LOL. Good stuff, he, he, he, he.

There is this "Britt".. Abu Hamsa.. his a real terrorist as famous as OBL, and at large in UK..
Whats up with that?

You can see him at this documentary for exable..

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And it is good to watch anyhow.

[Edited on 13-9-2003 by FULCRUM]

I feel that we cannot delve into the distant past and lay all the blame on the British for the violence in places like Iraq, but there is an argument that they were complicit, to an extent, in establishing a nation that would harvest racial and religious violence for decades.

Yes, it is true that the Poms did create, what seems like today, the arbitary borders that divided the former Messopotamia. The fallible nature of British collonialism and foreign policy was reflected in their ignorance with respect to the hostile relations and vast differences between the various groups of people who composed the heterogeneous population of the region.

It is therefore, to an extent, a consequence of this ignorance that violence has ensued between these contrasting groups of people, as the hostile relations that existed before they were placed within the same borders has been exacerbated by these formerly disperate people's close proximity to eachother, and therefore they were, in effect, forced to live contigiously where the natural progression was violence.

The point is that the present day global superpower can learn from these past events and hopefully focus on the wider context of the rest of the world and its people rather than focusing soley on its own interests and ignoring the indignant and despondent cries of the people who are left in its wake.

Well if you are gonna look at it like that may be we should be blaming the romans for invading the tribal Stone age Britons and organising us into the villanous terrorists we have become . Ye Gods I wonder if the Romans thought about just how serious that invasion was gonna be.

"The British mixed up the religons and are the ones who who can really blame for many of the problems we have today."

Blaming people in the past for problems we have today is wrong, we have no one but ourselves to blame for the problems of today, because if we could deal with them responsibly they would n`t be problems anymore.

I would ask do you believe your statement? Because its a sad day if you do.