Who could be so silly as to worry about DEBT and MONEY?

Below is a response I wrote to someone on another forum I visit, figured some of you would be interested. There are some people here on the same page as me, so don't think im too crazy.

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This is the way you most likely think;

You+Debt----->Owe money to the bank.

When it should be like this;

Principle+Debt----->Owe money to the bank
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You (agent of the Principle)



I'll try to explain, but keep in mind all law is contract, ALL LAW IS CONTRACT. First ask yourself something, can you be part of a contract if you were not a party to it? The answer is no, you cannot, you knew that right? So then why is it you assume your name is your name, I mean, you didn't choose it, you had no part in it. Your parents did all the choosing. Confused? Try to grasp this, your parents created a legal entity (the Principle) with the state when you were born by signing a statement of birth. They were given power of attorney over this entity and most likely passed this power onto you, by allowing the state to issue you a birth certificate. You are an agent of the Principle, the Principle being the entity found on your birth certificate/drivers liscence/mortgage/deed to your home.

You are given the power to control the Principles legal choices and the power to represent the Principle. You have nothing (this isn't really a bad thing once you understand it), and the Principle has everything. Let me explain, I give you 5 dollars and ask you to buy me a loaf of bread, is the money yours now or is it mine? I am the Principle and you are my agent, the money is still mine but I have given you the power of using it to buy me bread. What does this all mean? It means nothing you own, be it car, house, bike, TV, is owned by you the agent, they are owned by the Principle and you are given the power to use those things.

You are still probably wondering, wtf? Don't worry, I'm not done yet. The reason this is all relevant is because you seem to be worried about MONEY of all things. Why are you worried about paying off debt man? You're the AGENT of the PRINCIPLE! If you work in my house and I loose it do you loose your house too? No way! What I mean is that you cannot enter debt, the Principle enters debt, not you, you are ONLY the Agent. Who owns the Principle? The State/Province does. So who owes the debt? Certainly not you. Why are you working to pay off the State's debt? Because you've been believing your whole life that your name represents you when the whole time its been the other way around, YOU represent the NAME, ie the Principle.

So what's the deal then? Why is it expected of you to pay off a debt that's not even yours? Because you have put conditions on the contract. Again let me explain by showing you something which is easier to understand. Marriage is a POWERFUL legal contract, when you enter into this contract you put many conditions on it. You promise to stay by your other in sickness and health, and alot of other things.. UNTIL DEATH DO YOU PART. What does this mean? It means the contract cannot be fulfilled until one of you die, this is the meaning of the conditions put on the Marriage contract. When a Judge handles a divorce he doesn't care about the moral issues, he cares about who broke the contract first, plain and simple. So again we go back to the silly money issue. Why are you paying off someone elses debt with your efforts (ie money). Because you yourself put those conditions on the contract. Want to know the easy way to make a perfect contract? PUT NO CONDITIONS ON IT. What does this mean? Look at it this way; When you decide you want a house why are you agreeing to work half your life to get it when you can basically get it for free?

You can figure out the rest on your own, I've given you a big head start. Theres a lot of questions that are left unanswered but don't worry, most of the answers are in the Bible, namely the parts with Jesus. Good luck on your journey.

Maybe I'm missing something, but could you explain how you can purchase a house for nearly free?? Putting no restrictions into your contract doesn't make sense.
For Example, If I were to go into the market searching for a new home, and I find my dream home and I approach the bank to get qualified for a loan; there would be no way in the world that I could tell the bank that "I want no restrcitions on my loan. I'd like to pay any amount I want, at any time I want, and I will decide when my loan is paid off." Those are the restrictions I would use, but that would NEVER happen.

So Please Mr. Aim, explain to me how one goes about "not worrying about debt" and "gets a house for free".

We are or should I say our principle's are basicly numbers, just numbers. Our being is in no way compromised of, bu tis serving our "name" that has been established in our society. Your statements make perfect sense, WE ARE INSLAVING OURSELVES. We have been given the choice of poverty or being a slave to our numbers.Does this mean poverty is a good thing, technicaly yes! Without all of these things created in our society that we are attracted to that we do not need , there is no more reason to slave and take life for GRANTED. EXAMPLE.....BOB works assembling televisions, bob needs money to live (WHY DO WE NEED MONEY TO LIVE) and money to buy alot of his precious, however useless, things. Bob earns his living and pays taxes, another price on freedom and life(avoid paying taxes, go to jail!). Now at the same time that bob is having to pay for life, he is further continuing the cycle of the purchase of useless things by creating more television sets. We destroy,setup and bring down our selves and others.


Take away every modernized aspect to society and go back to man and the forest when we still had respect,....it's the most natural way of life, most effective path to harmony.....Unless you encounter some pilaging vikings.....

Originally posted by HEYOKA
Take away every modernized aspect to society and go back to man and the forest when we still had respect,....it's the most natural way of life, most effective path to harmony.....Unless you encounter some pilaging vikings.....

I was just thinking about how we work, work and work to buy "useless things" that only satisfies us for a little while before we need another "useless thing". Life would be much more simple if all we needed to do was work for food and clothing, spending the rest of our time living life. How many of us actually live life?

>can you be part of a contract if you were not a party to it?

Your meaning is not clear.

It is certainly possible to be "involved" with, or "affected" by a contract without signing it, if that's what you mean. For example, it is very common for trust funds to be set up for children who have no knowledge whatsoever of them, let alone sign them. There may be verbal or implied contracts, for which there is no paper and no signing involved. You may be selected for service by someone who is contractually obligated to procure such service, even though you are not named. In this case, you won't be on the contract, and you may not even realize there is one, but you will be still be "affected" by it. In theory, you could even combine all three.

What if two people were to establish a purely verbal contract to procure the services of an unnamed third party to act as executer for a trust fund for a child who hadn't been conceived yet?

On the other hand, if you mean "are you legally bound by contractual obligations to which you are not bound" then, of course not. But the question is circular. You might as well ask "can something be red if it's not red?"

But...and I think this most likely, if you really mean "can there be legal consequences for failing to honor provisions of a contract which you took no action to state or imply acceptance of?" then the answer is YES. For instance...have you ever signed, stated, or implied any sort of definative contract to refrain from killing people? Probably not. All the same, even though you've taken no action to enter into any such contract, if you were to run out and kill someone, it's altogether likely that you would suffer legal repercussions for it.

>your parents created a legal entity (the Principle)
>You are an agent of the Principle

Try to think of it more as a DBA.

>the Principle enters debt, not you, you are ONLY the Agent.
>Who owns the Principle? The State/Province does. So who
>owes the debt? Certainly not you.

Do me a favor and look up promissory estoppel. Basically, if you have already implied legal acceptance of a condition, you can't very well change your mind simply because it is no longer convenient.

>Who owns the Principle? The State/Province does.

I assume you mean principal." And no, the State would no more "own" the principal you are describing it they would any other person or entity allowing an agent to act on their behalf.

>most of the answers are in the Bible

Since you mention the Bible...and since we're speaking of repercussions of law for contractual obligations to which you are "not a party," why not read Deuteronomy 5:9 next time you get the chance?

I believe you people have misunderstood something. Your name is the legal connection between yourself and the Principle. The name on the Birth Certificate is a legal entity that you had no part in creating so it is fair to say it cannot refer to you. The Birth Certificate is property of the State just as Money is property of the Bank. When "you" are charged for a crime it is really the entity that is charged. The same thing works with debt and money, you are not in debt, it is the Principle. Who owns the Principle? Not you or your parents, you as the Agent were given power of attorney over the Principle, but you do not own it.

[edit on 25-9-2005 by Aim]

>I believe you people have misunderstood something.

No. Us people dispute your "facts."

If you disagree with my refutation, then I invite you to respond to my points rather than merely repeating your initial assertation.

Originally posted by Aim
I believe you people have misunderstood something. Your name is the legal connection between yourself and the Principle. The name on the Birth Certificate is a legal entity that you had no part in creating so it is fair to say it cannot refer to you. The Birth Certificate is property of the State just as Money is property of the Bank. When "you" are charged for a crime it is really the entity that is charged. The same thing works with debt and money, you are not in debt, it is the Principle. Who owns the Principle? Not you or your parents, you as the Agent were given power of attorney over the Principle, but you do not own it.

[edit on 25-9-2005 by Aim]

And I think what you're missing is that the first time we "use" the Principle for our own purposes we basically establish a common law buy-in to the Principle.

Just as with your marriage example. I don't ever have to sign a contract or take a vow to eventually be considered married or at least contractually (without ever signing anything) obligated to another human being via common law. That's established.

The same thing holds true for the use of your name (Principle). You didn't have to be there when it was chosen or registered, but the day you take your lump of flesh to a lender and use that name to procure your money/goods/etc. you have legally bound yourself to that name. You have produced a legal document with your signature that states you're okie-dokie with using that "Principle" for your own good.

And it darned sure is your debt. It's your butt sitting on that couch you went in debt for. Paying back the debts you voluntarily sign into in order to get some personal (that's YOU not the Principal) benefit from is called

integrity

and I do believe Jesus spoke about this as well. You can read up on it in the red letters.