The Bride Of Christ Must Be United

Originally posted by junglejake
Many are troubled by the Pope's recent comments regarding this, stating that the Catholic church is the only true church,

People are acting like this statement is something new. This is part of the doctrine of the catholic church and has been for a long time.

Originally posted by LurkerBeast
How is there no middle ground? I'm on my side, which is my middle ground. I would seek to destroy both Satan and God, they would certainly both fall to my fury.

There is no middle ground because you are born with the ability to sin and rebel against God which is obvious to me from your posts. (See the above where you want God to fall to your fury and be destroyed).

That is the same position satan took, which means you(without realizing it) are on satan's side.

ps. If you have the ability to destroy God and satan, Why haven't you done it yet?

[edit on 17-7-2007 by dbrandt]

[edit on 17-7-2007 by dbrandt]

The seed is the word of God. What is wrong is the interpretation of the word, which is the law spoken of in Romans.

And the fact that the law is being taught by people breaking the law.

Just like a police officer who busts someone for spouse abuse, and goes home and abuses his wife.

Exept the law in Romans refers to the commandments.

When the bible says a man will be standing next to a man in the field, and one will be taken, and one will be left, this is the rapture.

What the folks that believe they are special by being taken by the rapture don't understand, is that the passage says, the weeds will be taken first. The remainder will be the wheat, that goes to the throne of Jesus.

Let me reinerate. The weeds will be pulled up first. Everyone has equal opportunity for salvation. Everyone will have a chance to drink from the river of life. But it will be harder for those that know the law, than for those that don't.

It is Gods wish, that no one perishes, for the more that make it, the better. But since God is true, He will not go against his own law, and the promise of repercussion if they are broken by those who know the law, and don't repent.

I have been shown subtle differences in interpretation of the bible that make huge differences.

I have already spread this seed. This is the seed of the Spirit Of Truth.

Jesus said, in the end times, it will be like the days of Noah.

Noah, whose name can be interpreted as Comfort, was the only one who heard God.

Imagine, in those days, God was still fresh in peoples minds, and Noah goes to them and says, I'm building the Ark because God said He is sending the flood, and everyone laughed at Him. Well, we all know the outcome of that story

The difference this time, is that God will remove only certain people, whom have hardened their hearts not against God, but against their neighbor, because if you treat your neighbor well, you are doing God's will.

Then God will build a New Earth, without seas, like a worldwide Garden of Eden. All the tears will be wiped away, and the curse of time and death and evil will be removed. Jesus will bring His prepared City to the New Earth.

And they all live happily ever after, basking in the Glory of God.

Originally posted by dbrandt
So a distinction has to be made between right and wrong. The truth will offend some, I would just like to know a little more what you are saying?

I apologize for not being clear. By no means should one let the person just wander down the trail that will lead them astray, and yes, they should be told!

Allow me to elaborate between correction and condemnation. Let's say your married, and you have bought a dog. One day your wife takes the dog for a walk in the park while eating some M&Ms, and feeds the dog some of them, too. While she does this, a neighbor sees her do this, and knows that chocolate is poisonous to dogs. For simplicity's sake, we'll say the neighbor has three options.

Option 1: He can ignore it. As in your example, the neighbor just ignores your wife unknowingly killing your dog and lets it continue. The dog dies and everyone lives miserably ever after, especially when the neighbor says, "I knew it would kill him" upon hearing the news.

Option 2: He can lay into her. Your neighbor starts swearing at your wife, calling her all kinds of names, talking about how evil she is, wishing that she'd be the one to die instead of the dog, etc. After this, he starts going to the other people in the park pointing her out, using the same language, and talking about what a psychotic expletive she is. Then the neighbor goes to you starts telling you how awful your wife is, that you'd be better off with her, and starts insisting you divorce her and kick her to the curb. The neighbor is doing all of this thinking it's the best thing for you and your wife, as well. I would imagine you'd not be too pleased with your neighbor.

Option 3: He can call her attention to it. It's not necessarily going to be comfortable. He may call her out by name, saying something like, "Woah, Cindy, those are going to make your dog really sick! They don't handle chocolate very well!" Say she she were to respond that she doesn't believe him, or that she's been giving dogs M&Ms for decades and never ran into the problem; the neighbor could then come to you, who does know that chocolate is poison to dogs, and ask you to reveal it to your wife.

While I haven't seen it happening as much anymore, I still see Option 2 being utilized by many Christians in reference to Catholics. The church is called the whore of Babylon. Its leader is the anti-Christ. It's evil. There is no redemptive quality to it. Often you'll see fellow Christians jump on board with the revisionist Crusade history that's so popular these days and just pass it off as being evil because Catholics were at the center (start another thread, this isn't the one for a Crusade history debate ). And even more often, they sit there and talk amongst themselves, not to those who are Catholic (though, in those terms, it's only going to increase the divide). Even so, what's the point except to gossip and slander Christ's Bride?

What's even more, Paul talks about our spheres of authority and operating within them. If I find myself as a parishioner in my church, possibly helping every 4th week in the Welcome Center, what authority do I have over the Catholic church? What authority do I have over my church?

I'd like to expand on your metaphor of the two paths, one with a washed out bridge. Let's say that, instead of just an individual, it's a parade that's trying to get to the destination. If you're just a spectator, first, what right do you have to redirect the parade from their intended path, and second, what are the chances they're going to listen to you? On the other hand, if you're the grand marshal of the parade, or, say, the mayor of the city, not only do you have, due to the office appointed to you, the right to redirect the parade, the people in the parade are going to listen to you. As a spectator, you're only going to irritate people and they're still going to keep right on marching. Congrats that you were right, and their trip was ruined, but it was outside of your authority. (I would like to note that God allows us all to come to Him, and He does give us passions, often before He calls us into our calling. So, in all this talk of authority, I, as far as I understand today, believe you still have every right and even duty to take your pleas to God, for example asking Him for that authority (careful, authority comes with responsibility -- the guy given the 5 talents who made 5 more got the exact same response as the individual who was given the 2 talents and made 2 more ) or that He raise individuals up with that authority to confront the false doctrine)

I hope that clears things up -- I didn't mean to say you should just watch your brother stumble and fall while doing nothing.

Originally posted by stompk
LurkerB,
Humor me. Next time you take a hot shower, and it feels good, just say the words "Thanks God" in your mind. If you feel nothing from this, I will never try to change your mind again. I promise.

But if you do feel something different, will you come back and talk to me about the possibility of the existance of God. I won't ask you to admit anything.

I believe you will be honest with me, because your conviction is strong, and you are truly seeking answers.

Peace

Well, I forgot to say it in the shower this morning (does it have to be in the shower)? But I just had a nice clean glass of water and it was great, so I said "Thanks God". I waited for about a minute looking around me, but nothing happened (inside or otherwise).

I would be surprised if anything came of it, because "Thanks God" are just words to me. I don't even have a definition of God, so "thanks God" is efficiently meaningless to me.

Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by LurkerBeast
How is there no middle ground? I'm on my side, which is my middle ground. I would seek to destroy both Satan and God, they would certainly both fall to my fury.

There is no middle ground because you are born with the ability to sin and rebel against God which is obvious to me from your posts. (See the above where you want God to fall to your fury and be destroyed).

That is the same position satan took, which means you(without realizing it) are on satan's side.

ps. If you have the ability to destroy God and satan, Why haven't you done it yet?

I thought I already had sin upon birth, not just the ability to sin more.

Well, in that case, if God is pretty much giving me an ultimatum here and telling me “If you’re not with me, then you’re with him” (where have I heard this before?) then that would just fuel my rebellion against this one tyrant God even more. What a total ass[look, it’s a hole in the ground!] God is.

Well, I haven’t run into either God (of the Christian Bible) or Satan yet. If I do however, they will feel my wrath.

Originally posted by stompk
The seed is the word of God.

wow... now the seed is the word of God. Farout.
Don't mean to sound pffffft but I am sure if you go and sit in a church and listen to what a churchie person has to say, they will claim, the seed is sinners. It really isn't a logical premise.

I just don't warm to that interpretation at all.

Thanks for your imput though.

so far, I haven't read one response that adequately or logically explains what the seed/weed means.

When the bible says a man will be standing next to a man in the field, and one will be taken, and one will be left, this is the rapture.

Really??? Are you absolutely sure?

the weeds will be taken first. The remainder will be the wheat, that goes to the throne of Jesus.

Interesting.

I have already spread this seed. This is the seed of the Spirit Of Truth.

What if you are actually spreading the weed? Truth???

It is really all very contradictive, sorry in advance... God loves everyone but will take the weeds first. Why the difference? If you truly love everyone, you love all people, seeds/weeds.

This idea actually is very much the polar opposite of love and well, God is love, isn't God???

And they all live happily ever after, basking in the Glory of God.

I think that is a little delusional and quite the fairytale ending.

Originally posted by LurkerBeast


I thought I already had sin upon birth, not just the ability to sin more.

This is true.

NJ, Everything I have said is plain as day in the bible.

Luke 8:11
"This is the meaning of the parable: The seed is the word of God."

And the parable of the weeds being pulled before the wheat.
Matthew 13:29
" 'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.' "

Am I absolutely sure? Yes.

What if I'm wrong? The seed wouldn't grow.

The reason for the seed?
Because God doesn't wish for anyone to perish.
Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

And the fairytale ending.
Revelation 22:5
And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

A question.

Who is the Son Of Man?


LurkerB.
Thanks for trying. The glass of water will work. Saying "Thanks God" for anything works. I will leave you alone.

Originally posted by stompk
NJ, Everything I have said is plain as day in the bible.

Yes, thank you but people interpret everything so differently lately, my head spins at times.

A question.

Who is the Son Of Man?

I asked that question a while ago and to be very honest, I am still not 100% sure. Any ideas?

Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by LurkerBeast


I thought I already had sin upon birth, not just the ability to sin more.

This is true.

I didn't read this thoroughly enough. We are born with a sin nature and it will become evident with actual sins. If left unchecked(by not receiving Christ as Savior) it will cause sin to become more in frequency and intensity.

Originally posted by NJE777

Who is the Son Of Man?

Jesus

It was also used to reference Ezekiel in the Old Testament Book of Ezekiel

[edit on 18-7-2007 by dbrandt]

Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by LurkerBeast


I thought I already had sin upon birth, not just the ability to sin more.

This is true.

I didn't read this thoroughly enough. We are born with a sin nature and it will become evident with actual sins. If left unchecked(by not receiving Christ as Savior) it will cause sin to become more in frequency and intensity.

Sin is the dumbest concept ever invented by God.

Originally posted by LurkerBeast
Sin is the dumbest concept ever invented by God.

What is sin, as you understand it?

Jesus

It was also used to reference Ezekiel in the Old Testament Book of Ezekiel

Absolutely correct.
But there is another, hidden in the teaching of Jesus. One for the end times. One that will be stood up, like how the snake turned into the staff of Moses.

Originally posted by stompk
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But there is another, hidden in the teaching of Jesus.

So unhide it so I can take a look.

[edit on 19-7-2007 by dbrandt]

For most of the reason that you posted is why I dont like churches or going to church ever sunday.

The bible said that if "ye believe in him whom hath sent ye, ye are saved.

If you believe in God and his son who God sent. You are saved. Every church has a wrong belief but that does'nt mean you wont be saved. I think if you believe in Blasphemy you cant be saved. I think if you reall believe that Jesus is God that you might not be saved only cuz its blasphemy but that does'nt mean I am right, like I said a wrong belief in the right path does'nt make you go to hell.

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[edit on 25-7-2007 by sanctum]

AOL you are spamming this board. You keep posting the same post in about 10 threads. This is getting to be ridiculous.

I have requested to erase that post to the Administration staff of ATS,and to respect the existence of My original thread that was posted previously to be mentioned in any other space on BTS, even here, so I expect that this action could happen today since I don't have more personal interest or need to mention information about my threads here. If you want to clear also your thread of it I suggest you to support my request to the staff.
thanks,
Your friend,
The Angel of lightness




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