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The town years ago that was built up on a nuclear waste dump. People got very very sick, this area is spread out much further then the small town of
Love Canal ever was.
It will also explain why people were taken out of their homes, not just for "toxic" waters but nuclear contaminated waters. Our Govt. doesn't usually remove anyone from a home unless flood waters have nuclear contamination.
That also means anyone who was allowed to go into the area without being told the REAL dangers of the water was put at risk as well
The time though the health effects will be far spread worse then Love Canal. Not only the environment, not only those people who were swimming in it, not only the military who stepped in, or the relief efforts,
but every one of us will be effected. I believe it has already begun.
The reason I started looking into the plants is because a few days after Hurricane Katrina, Jeb Bush put Florida on a voluntary conservation of lights. He asked large department stores and supermarket chains to cut
every third light.
What I origionally believed, and still believe but have yet to find it, is that we may have had a nuclear facility completely leveled somewhere. I believe MS or AL. I cannot find proof yet, but I believe him asking us to cut lights had to do with the fact they didn't want more power drawn from the plants that were still standing and communications were back up in. This is just speculation, I'm wondering what sites specifically were leveled if any.
I think if that is the case, we have an even bigger issue on our hands with air contamination but I've yet to come across any proof of this yet.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Love Canal Tragedy
by Eckardt C. Beck
[EPA Journal - January 1979]
Quite simply, Love Canal is one of the most appalling environmental tragedies in American history.
But that's not the most disturbing fact.
What is worse is that it cannot be regarded as an isolated event. It could happen again--anywhere in this country--unless we move expeditiously to prevent it.
It is a cruel irony that Love Canal was originally meant to be a dream community. That vision belonged to the man for whom the three-block tract of land on the eastern edge of Niagara Falls, New York, was named--William T. Love.
Love felt that by digging a short canal between the upper and lower Niagara Rivers, power could be generated cheaply to fuel the industry and homes of his would-be model city.
But despite considerable backing, Love's project was unable to endure the one-two punch of fluctuations in the economy and Louis Tesla's discovery of how to economically transmit electricity over great distances by means of an alternating current.
By 1910, the dream was shattered. All that was left to commemorate Love's hope was a partial ditch where construction of the canal had begun.
In the 1920s the seeds of a genuine nightmare were planted. The canal was turned into a municipal and industrial chemical dumpsite.
Landfills can of course be an environmentally acceptable method of hazardous waste disposal, assuming they are properly sited, managed, and regulated. Love Canal will always remain a perfect historical example of how not to run such an operation.
In 1953, the Hooker Chemical Company, then the owners and operators of the property, covered the canal with earth and sold it to the city for one dollar.
It was a bad buy.
In the late '50s, about 100 homes and a school were built at the site. Perhaps it wasn't William T. Love's model city, but it was a solid, working-class community. For a while.
On the first day of August, 1978, the lead paragraph of a front-page story in the New York Times read:
NIAGARA FALLS, N.Y.--Twenty five years after the Hooker Chemical Company stopped using the Love Canal here as an industrial dump, 82 different compounds, 11 of them suspected carcinogens, have been percolating upward through the soil, their drum containers rotting and leaching their contents into the backyards and basements of 100 homes and a public school built on the banks of the canal.
In an article prepared for the February, 1978 EPA Journal, I wrote, regarding chemical dumpsites in general, that "even though some of these landfills have been closed down, they may stand like ticking time bombs." Just months later, Love Canal exploded.
The explosion was triggered by a record amount of rainfall. Shortly thereafter, the leaching began.
I visited the canal area at that time. Corroding waste-disposal drums could be seen breaking up through the grounds of backyards. Trees and gardens were turning black and dying. One entire swimming pool had been had been popped up from its foundation, afloat now on a small sea of chemicals. Puddles of noxious substances were pointed out to me by the residents. Some of these puddles were in their yards, some were in their basements, others yet were on the school grounds. Everywhere the air had a faint, choking smell. Children returned from play with burns on their hands and faces.
And then there were the birth defects. The New York State Health Department is continuing an investigation into a disturbingly high rate of miscarriages, along with five birth-defect cases detected thus far in the area.
I recall talking with the father of one the children with birth defects. "I heard someone from the press saying that there were only five cases of birth defects here," he told me. "When you go back to your people at EPA, please don't use the phrase 'only five cases.' People must realize that this is a tiny community. Five birth defect cases here is terrifying."
A large percentage of people in Love Canal are also being closely observed because of detected high white-blood-cell counts, a possible precursor of leukemia.
When the citizens of Love Canal were finally evacuated from their homes and their neighborhood, pregnant women and infants were deliberately among the first to be taken out.
"We knew they put chemicals into the canal and filled it over," said one woman, a long-time resident of the Canal area., "but we had no idea the chemicals would invade our homes. We're worried sick about the grandchildren and their children."
Two of this woman's four grandchildren have birth defects. The children were born and raised in the Love Canal community. A granddaughter was born deaf with a cleft palate, an extra row of teeth, and slight retardation. A grandson was born with an eye defect.
Of the chemicals which comprise the brew seeping through the ground and into homes at Love Canal, one of the most prevalent is benzene -- a known human carcinogen, and one detected in high concentrations. But the residents characterize things more simply.
"I've got this slop everywhere," said another man who lives at Love Canal. His daughter also suffers from a congenital defect.
On August 7, New York Governor Hugh Carey announced to the residents of the Canal that the State Government wold purchase the homes affected by chemicals.
On that same day, President Carter approved emergency financial aid for the Love Canal area (the first emergency funds ever to be approved for something other than a "natural" disaster), and the U.S. Senate approved a "sense of Congress" amendment saying that Federal aid should be forthcoming to relieve the serious environmental disaster which had occurred.
By the month's end, 98 families had already been evacuated. Another46 had found temporary housing. Soon after, all families would be gone from the most contaminated areas -- a total of 221 families have moved or agreed to be moved.
State figures show more than 200 purchase offers for homes have been made, totaling nearly $7 million.
A plan is being set in motion now to implement technical procedures designed to meet the seemingly impossible job of detoxifying the Canal area. The plan calls for a trench system to drain chemicals from the Canal. It is a difficult procedure, and we are keeping our fingers crossed that it will yield some degree of success.
I have been very pleased with the high degree of cooperation in this case among local, State, and Federal governments, and with the swiftness by which the Congress and the President have acted to make funds available.
But this is not really where the story ends.
Quite the contrary.
We suspect that there are hundreds of such chemical dumpsites across this Nation.
Unlike Love Canal, few are situated so close to human settlements. But without a doubt, many of these old dumpsites are time bombs with burning fuses -- their contents slowly leaching out. And the next victim cold be a water supply, or a sensitive wetland.
The presence of various types of toxic substances in our environment has become increasingly widespread -- a fact that President Carter has called "one of the grimmest discoveries of the modern era."
Chemical sales in the United States now exceed a mind-boggling $112 billion per year, with as many as 70,000 chemical substances in commerce.
Love Canal can now be added to a growing list of environmental disasters involving toxics, ranging from industrial workers stricken by nervous disorders and cancers to the discovery of toxic materials in the milk of nursing mothers.
Through the national environmental program it administers, the Environmental Protection Agency is attempting to draw a chain of Congressional acts around the toxics problem.
The Clean Air and Water Acts, the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Pesticide Act, the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act, the Toxic Substances Control Act -- each is an essential link.
Under the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act, EPA is making grants available to States to help them establish programs to assure the safe handling and disposal of hazardous wastes. As guidance for such programs, we are working to make sure that State inventories of industrial waste disposal sites include full assessments of any potential dangers created by these sites.
Also, EPA recently proposed a system to ensure that the more than 35 million tons of hazardous wastes produced in the U.S. each year, including most chemical wastes, are disposed of safely. Hazardous wastes will be controlled from point of generation to their ultimate disposal, and dangerous pratices now resulting in serious threats to health and environment will not be allowed.
Although we are taking these aggressive strides to make sure that hazardous waste is safely managed, there remains the question of liability regarding accidents occurring from wastes disposed of previously. This is a missing link. But no doubt this question will be addressed effectively in the future.
Regarding the missing link of liability, if health-related dangers are detected, what are we as s people willing to spend to correct the situation? How much risk are we willing to accept? Who's going to pick up the tab?
One of the chief problems we are up against is that ownership of these sites frequently shifts over the years, making liability difficult to determine in cases of an accident. And no secure mechanisms are in effect for determining such liability.
It is within our power to exercise intelligent and effective controls designed to significantly cut such environmental risks. A tragedy, unfortunately, has now called upon us to decide on the overall level of commitment we desire for defusing future Love Canals. And it is not forgotten that no one has paid more dearly already than the residents of Love Canal.
"(Niagara Falls, NY, August 7, 2003) - - Niagara Falls marked the 25th anniversary of America's most notorious backyard nightmare with the official closing of the Love Canal Revitalization Agency Thursday.
Officials dedicated a memorial at the site of the former 93rd Street School which had been built on top of the toxic dump.
It was later cleaned and contained.
Some 250 homes were evacuated and later demolished because of chemical exposure."
[edit on 14-9-2005 by XGovGirl]
It will also explain why people were taken out of their homes, not just for "toxic" waters but nuclear contaminated waters. Our Govt. doesn't usually remove anyone from a home unless flood waters have nuclear contamination.
That also means anyone who was allowed to go into the area without being told the REAL dangers of the water was put at risk as well
The time though the health effects will be far spread worse then Love Canal. Not only the environment, not only those people who were swimming in it, not only the military who stepped in, or the relief efforts,
but every one of us will be effected. I believe it has already begun.
The reason I started looking into the plants is because a few days after Hurricane Katrina, Jeb Bush put Florida on a voluntary conservation of lights. He asked large department stores and supermarket chains to cut
every third light.
What I origionally believed, and still believe but have yet to find it, is that we may have had a nuclear facility completely leveled somewhere. I believe MS or AL. I cannot find proof yet, but I believe him asking us to cut lights had to do with the fact they didn't want more power drawn from the plants that were still standing and communications were back up in. This is just speculation, I'm wondering what sites specifically were leveled if any.
I think if that is the case, we have an even bigger issue on our hands with air contamination but I've yet to come across any proof of this yet.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Love Canal Tragedy
by Eckardt C. Beck
[EPA Journal - January 1979]
Quite simply, Love Canal is one of the most appalling environmental tragedies in American history.
But that's not the most disturbing fact.
What is worse is that it cannot be regarded as an isolated event. It could happen again--anywhere in this country--unless we move expeditiously to prevent it.
It is a cruel irony that Love Canal was originally meant to be a dream community. That vision belonged to the man for whom the three-block tract of land on the eastern edge of Niagara Falls, New York, was named--William T. Love.
Love felt that by digging a short canal between the upper and lower Niagara Rivers, power could be generated cheaply to fuel the industry and homes of his would-be model city.
But despite considerable backing, Love's project was unable to endure the one-two punch of fluctuations in the economy and Louis Tesla's discovery of how to economically transmit electricity over great distances by means of an alternating current.
By 1910, the dream was shattered. All that was left to commemorate Love's hope was a partial ditch where construction of the canal had begun.
In the 1920s the seeds of a genuine nightmare were planted. The canal was turned into a municipal and industrial chemical dumpsite.
Landfills can of course be an environmentally acceptable method of hazardous waste disposal, assuming they are properly sited, managed, and regulated. Love Canal will always remain a perfect historical example of how not to run such an operation.
In 1953, the Hooker Chemical Company, then the owners and operators of the property, covered the canal with earth and sold it to the city for one dollar.
It was a bad buy.
In the late '50s, about 100 homes and a school were built at the site. Perhaps it wasn't William T. Love's model city, but it was a solid, working-class community. For a while.
On the first day of August, 1978, the lead paragraph of a front-page story in the New York Times read:
NIAGARA FALLS, N.Y.--Twenty five years after the Hooker Chemical Company stopped using the Love Canal here as an industrial dump, 82 different compounds, 11 of them suspected carcinogens, have been percolating upward through the soil, their drum containers rotting and leaching their contents into the backyards and basements of 100 homes and a public school built on the banks of the canal.
In an article prepared for the February, 1978 EPA Journal, I wrote, regarding chemical dumpsites in general, that "even though some of these landfills have been closed down, they may stand like ticking time bombs." Just months later, Love Canal exploded.
The explosion was triggered by a record amount of rainfall. Shortly thereafter, the leaching began.
I visited the canal area at that time. Corroding waste-disposal drums could be seen breaking up through the grounds of backyards. Trees and gardens were turning black and dying. One entire swimming pool had been had been popped up from its foundation, afloat now on a small sea of chemicals. Puddles of noxious substances were pointed out to me by the residents. Some of these puddles were in their yards, some were in their basements, others yet were on the school grounds. Everywhere the air had a faint, choking smell. Children returned from play with burns on their hands and faces.
And then there were the birth defects. The New York State Health Department is continuing an investigation into a disturbingly high rate of miscarriages, along with five birth-defect cases detected thus far in the area.
I recall talking with the father of one the children with birth defects. "I heard someone from the press saying that there were only five cases of birth defects here," he told me. "When you go back to your people at EPA, please don't use the phrase 'only five cases.' People must realize that this is a tiny community. Five birth defect cases here is terrifying."
A large percentage of people in Love Canal are also being closely observed because of detected high white-blood-cell counts, a possible precursor of leukemia.
When the citizens of Love Canal were finally evacuated from their homes and their neighborhood, pregnant women and infants were deliberately among the first to be taken out.
"We knew they put chemicals into the canal and filled it over," said one woman, a long-time resident of the Canal area., "but we had no idea the chemicals would invade our homes. We're worried sick about the grandchildren and their children."
Two of this woman's four grandchildren have birth defects. The children were born and raised in the Love Canal community. A granddaughter was born deaf with a cleft palate, an extra row of teeth, and slight retardation. A grandson was born with an eye defect.
Of the chemicals which comprise the brew seeping through the ground and into homes at Love Canal, one of the most prevalent is benzene -- a known human carcinogen, and one detected in high concentrations. But the residents characterize things more simply.
"I've got this slop everywhere," said another man who lives at Love Canal. His daughter also suffers from a congenital defect.
On August 7, New York Governor Hugh Carey announced to the residents of the Canal that the State Government wold purchase the homes affected by chemicals.
On that same day, President Carter approved emergency financial aid for the Love Canal area (the first emergency funds ever to be approved for something other than a "natural" disaster), and the U.S. Senate approved a "sense of Congress" amendment saying that Federal aid should be forthcoming to relieve the serious environmental disaster which had occurred.
By the month's end, 98 families had already been evacuated. Another46 had found temporary housing. Soon after, all families would be gone from the most contaminated areas -- a total of 221 families have moved or agreed to be moved.
State figures show more than 200 purchase offers for homes have been made, totaling nearly $7 million.
A plan is being set in motion now to implement technical procedures designed to meet the seemingly impossible job of detoxifying the Canal area. The plan calls for a trench system to drain chemicals from the Canal. It is a difficult procedure, and we are keeping our fingers crossed that it will yield some degree of success.
I have been very pleased with the high degree of cooperation in this case among local, State, and Federal governments, and with the swiftness by which the Congress and the President have acted to make funds available.
But this is not really where the story ends.
Quite the contrary.
We suspect that there are hundreds of such chemical dumpsites across this Nation.
Unlike Love Canal, few are situated so close to human settlements. But without a doubt, many of these old dumpsites are time bombs with burning fuses -- their contents slowly leaching out. And the next victim cold be a water supply, or a sensitive wetland.
The presence of various types of toxic substances in our environment has become increasingly widespread -- a fact that President Carter has called "one of the grimmest discoveries of the modern era."
Chemical sales in the United States now exceed a mind-boggling $112 billion per year, with as many as 70,000 chemical substances in commerce.
Love Canal can now be added to a growing list of environmental disasters involving toxics, ranging from industrial workers stricken by nervous disorders and cancers to the discovery of toxic materials in the milk of nursing mothers.
Through the national environmental program it administers, the Environmental Protection Agency is attempting to draw a chain of Congressional acts around the toxics problem.
The Clean Air and Water Acts, the Safe Drinking Water Act, the Pesticide Act, the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act, the Toxic Substances Control Act -- each is an essential link.
Under the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act, EPA is making grants available to States to help them establish programs to assure the safe handling and disposal of hazardous wastes. As guidance for such programs, we are working to make sure that State inventories of industrial waste disposal sites include full assessments of any potential dangers created by these sites.
Also, EPA recently proposed a system to ensure that the more than 35 million tons of hazardous wastes produced in the U.S. each year, including most chemical wastes, are disposed of safely. Hazardous wastes will be controlled from point of generation to their ultimate disposal, and dangerous pratices now resulting in serious threats to health and environment will not be allowed.
Although we are taking these aggressive strides to make sure that hazardous waste is safely managed, there remains the question of liability regarding accidents occurring from wastes disposed of previously. This is a missing link. But no doubt this question will be addressed effectively in the future.
Regarding the missing link of liability, if health-related dangers are detected, what are we as s people willing to spend to correct the situation? How much risk are we willing to accept? Who's going to pick up the tab?
One of the chief problems we are up against is that ownership of these sites frequently shifts over the years, making liability difficult to determine in cases of an accident. And no secure mechanisms are in effect for determining such liability.
It is within our power to exercise intelligent and effective controls designed to significantly cut such environmental risks. A tragedy, unfortunately, has now called upon us to decide on the overall level of commitment we desire for defusing future Love Canals. And it is not forgotten that no one has paid more dearly already than the residents of Love Canal.
"(Niagara Falls, NY, August 7, 2003) - - Niagara Falls marked the 25th anniversary of America's most notorious backyard nightmare with the official closing of the Love Canal Revitalization Agency Thursday.
Officials dedicated a memorial at the site of the former 93rd Street School which had been built on top of the toxic dump.
It was later cleaned and contained.
Some 250 homes were evacuated and later demolished because of chemical exposure."
[edit on 14-9-2005 by XGovGirl]
Originally posted by Mirlin11
Then again, why rebuild over a toxic waste dump?
There will be no rebuilding, just like Love Canal was roped off and quaranteened for all of these years, that is what is going to have to
happen to the whole Gulf Coast. The fact that it's spread all over the
place I think the entire US will need to be quaranteened off. I believe
this problem is much greater then anyone realizes. I know we're all
AWARE but I believe there are some other things to look at here,
it looks like we will have complete and total devistation from this over
time. First in that area and then spreading, from the Gulf, the surrounding
areas, if nuclear contamination hasn't already spread through the the air I would be really surprised.
What sources can you produce that would identify the number and locations of these sites?
[edit on 14-9-2005 by loam]
[edit on 14-9-2005 by loam]
Originally posted by loam
What sources can you produce that would identify the number and locations of these sites?
EDIT: Maybe that question isn't relevant. Perhaps a better one is are you engaged in a little "poll" taking of your own?
[edit on 14-9-2005 by loam]
Huh what are you talking about? Poll taking?
Originally posted by loam
What sources can you produce that would identify the number and locations of these sites?
EDIT: Maybe that question isn't relevant. Perhaps a better one is are you engaged in a little "poll" taking of your own?
[edit on 14-9-2005 by loam]
Each one has 47 sites within itself, I found a photo somewhere I'll have to look for it now but here:
River Bend Energy Operations, Inc 24 MI NNW of Baton Rouge, LA River Bend Energy Operations, Inc 24 MI NNW of Baton Rouge, LA
Waterford Energy Operations, inc. 20 MI W of New Orleans, LA Waterford Energy Operations, inc. 20 MI W of New Orleans, LA
Map go here they don't allow for stealing of pics, from the nukeworker site.
Two maps of Entergy's New Orleans sites
Map Riverbend
Map -Waterford
Two maps of Entergy's New Orleans sites
Map Riverbend
Map -Waterford
Grr I'm not used to the forums here yet, here this is the right link
Waterford New Orleans Map
www.nukeworker.com...
Waterford New Orleans Map
www.nukeworker.com...
Hello,
Welcome to ATS.
I have painfully slogged through some of your posts. Although there seems to be much information that is of interest therin, there is far too much far too fast. No one is going to read such a flood of incoherent, rambling writing.
I do not want to offend you, but I must tell you, you come off as a kook, perhaps paraniod schizophrenic, or on drugs, or all three. It may be that you are perfectly clear and sane, but you must see how this is coming off.
If you want to share this information you need to learn to rein yourself in and post a brief, succinct synopsis of your concerns. Wait for responses and reply. Again no one is going to read through all of this information in the way it is presented.
Alternatively I think you should start your own website to contain this voluminous information, and link to it form various bbs and blogs.
Welcome to ATS.
I have painfully slogged through some of your posts. Although there seems to be much information that is of interest therin, there is far too much far too fast. No one is going to read such a flood of incoherent, rambling writing.
I do not want to offend you, but I must tell you, you come off as a kook, perhaps paraniod schizophrenic, or on drugs, or all three. It may be that you are perfectly clear and sane, but you must see how this is coming off.
If you want to share this information you need to learn to rein yourself in and post a brief, succinct synopsis of your concerns. Wait for responses and reply. Again no one is going to read through all of this information in the way it is presented.
Alternatively I think you should start your own website to contain this voluminous information, and link to it form various bbs and blogs.
New Orleans Plants Specific Data
Grand Gulf
www.insc.anl.gov...://www.insc.anl.gov/cgi-bin/sql_interface?view=rx_com_matrix&qv ar=unit&qval=419
River BendRiver Bend
www.insc.anl.gov...://www.insc.anl.gov/cgi-bin/rperl/sql_in terface?view=newrx_data&qvar=oracle_id&qval=421#ref_opstr_data
Waterford 3
www.insc.anl.gov...://www.insc.anl.gov/cgi-bin/sql_interface?view=rx_com_matrix&qv ar=unit&qval=420
Grand Gulf
www.insc.anl.gov...://www.insc.anl.gov/cgi-bin/sql_interface?view=rx_com_matrix&qv ar=unit&qval=419
River BendRiver Bend
www.insc.anl.gov...://www.insc.anl.gov/cgi-bin/rperl/sql_in terface?view=newrx_data&qvar=oracle_id&qval=421#ref_opstr_data
Waterford 3
www.insc.anl.gov...://www.insc.anl.gov/cgi-bin/sql_interface?view=rx_com_matrix&qv ar=unit&qval=420
Originally posted by opensecret1150
Hello,
Welcome to ATS.
I have painfully slogged through some of your posts. Although there seems to be much information that is of interest therin, there is far too much far too fast. No one is going to read such a flood of incoherent, rambling writing.
I do not want to offend you, but I must tell you, you come off as a kook, perhaps paraniod schizophrenic, or on drugs, or all three. It may be that you are perfectly clear and sane, but you must see how this is coming off.
If you want to share this information you need to learn to rein yourself in and post a brief, succinct synopsis of your concerns. Wait for responses and reply. Again no one is going to read through all of this information in the way it is presented.
Alternatively I think you should start your own website to contain this voluminous information, and link to it form various bbs and blogs.
[edit on 14-9-2005 by XGovGirl]
Edit, Copy & Paste
Hello I'm back. I am sorry I took offense because I've been trying to share this information at the wrong place for days "myspace" where there are a lot of young kids who don't understand no less want to hear about environmental issues if it effects them going to the mall.
I'm just on edge about this a bit now after feeling like I've been talking to a wall for a few days, I thought it would be more appropriate to bring it to a place with some more open minded individuals.
I don't however know much about how this forum is run but it looks like I'm learning quickly. I just found these personal messages. At the same time that I received 250 bonus points? I also got a warning lol I'm learning now and sorry about that.
So I was very defensive and I hope to find some others who are like minded here, I am a bit stressed after spending days on this topic and am pretty much "overwhelmed" with all the information at hand.
I see now there are other threads going on here that are on the same topic so I'll just keep on the low and not piss anyone else off hopefully.
I thought the person who made the comment aboove was a moderator telling me to leave basically, so that is why I jumped to the defense and gave the ol' F bomb comment
Sorry if I came off like that I'm just a bit stressed after all the events unfolding its been a long few weeks!
Hope to become a part of the community, the mods can delete my post to clean this up.
Chrissy
[edit on 14-9-2005 by XGovGirl]
[edit on 14-9-2005 by XGovGirl]
Excuse me!!!
Calm down, take a breath.
One person's comments should not affect your decision to be a member of this site.
Not everyone will agree with you or accept all your ideas.
Please refrain from personal attacks and baiting or you will be warned
(that is to everyone replying to this thread)
Calm down, take a breath.
One person's comments should not affect your decision to be a member of this site.
Not everyone will agree with you or accept all your ideas.
Please refrain from personal attacks and baiting or you will be warned
(that is to everyone replying to this thread)
Well if it makes you feel any better I got a warning too. I guess I need to figure out a better way to give my "free advice".
Katrina was a tragedy waiting to happen... For over 40 years everyone knew the protection was litle and would not handle a storm superior to level
3.
Has to getting rid of the "trash", i dont know what for...that land will be contaminated ofr at least 10 years, and its right after the bad land swamps...its not like Trump will build a new 20 Stars Hotel in there.
What purpose would contaminated land have ?
Has to getting rid of the "trash", i dont know what for...that land will be contaminated ofr at least 10 years, and its right after the bad land swamps...its not like Trump will build a new 20 Stars Hotel in there.
What purpose would contaminated land have ?
Chrissy,
What I am getting from all your posts is that you are an ex Airforce vet who knows exactly how a relief deployment should have taken place in the aftermath of Katrina. It didn't. Everyone has speculated on why it didn't take place, but you are the only one who's brought up the topic of it being due to the fear of exposure to more toxic comtaminants than Oil, gas, sewage, and dead bodies. I can see why you'd feel overwhelmed and become emotional about this situation. While you have posted a ton of info and I've read through it all, I appreciate how thorough you've been in detailing exacly how a relief deployment should have taken place and the reasoning behind why it didn't. I don't think you should go away or stop posting. I think you should continue to provide us with any information you have on this subject including photos, letters, logs and anything else you have. You may want to slow down the flood of information just alittle so that more readers can digest the details you provide and respond to your posts. It is true that not everyone will agree with your theories, but providing as much detailed information as possible in shorter posts and answering any questions we may have with any info you have will make your posts very credible, in my opinion. What we have here is an opportunity to get some insite from an ex Airforce vet who may be able to provide us with information that could even explain Val's account of the Falls Creek Camp and the possible reason for it. Come back and post more, Chrissy.
[edit on 14-9-2005 by Mirlin11]
What I am getting from all your posts is that you are an ex Airforce vet who knows exactly how a relief deployment should have taken place in the aftermath of Katrina. It didn't. Everyone has speculated on why it didn't take place, but you are the only one who's brought up the topic of it being due to the fear of exposure to more toxic comtaminants than Oil, gas, sewage, and dead bodies. I can see why you'd feel overwhelmed and become emotional about this situation. While you have posted a ton of info and I've read through it all, I appreciate how thorough you've been in detailing exacly how a relief deployment should have taken place and the reasoning behind why it didn't. I don't think you should go away or stop posting. I think you should continue to provide us with any information you have on this subject including photos, letters, logs and anything else you have. You may want to slow down the flood of information just alittle so that more readers can digest the details you provide and respond to your posts. It is true that not everyone will agree with your theories, but providing as much detailed information as possible in shorter posts and answering any questions we may have with any info you have will make your posts very credible, in my opinion. What we have here is an opportunity to get some insite from an ex Airforce vet who may be able to provide us with information that could even explain Val's account of the Falls Creek Camp and the possible reason for it. Come back and post more, Chrissy.
[edit on 14-9-2005 by Mirlin11]
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Federal law trumps state and local law every time
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Comcast dumping MSNBC
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Post A Funny (T&C Friendly) Pic Part IV: The LOL awakens!
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Well, here we go red lines crossed Biden gives the go ahead to use long range missiles
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DOJ Special Counsel Robert HUR Says JOE BIDEN Can Be ARRESTED After Jan 20th 2025.
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Remember These Attacks When President Trump 2.0 Retribution-Justice Commences.
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I thought Trump was the existential threat?
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The Acronym Game .. Pt.4
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