Medical Industry Holding Back Cures for Major Diseases

i find there are drugs out there.big money to make also.alot at stake and they seem to want to discredit other areas of medical nature like herbal and vitamin industry now homopathy.seems just alittle weird that some third world countries dont get the hiv shots either.you dont have to look to far into it we all know very rich people get the stuff years before joe blow can get it.thats why when you are sick look around there is lots of things that can heal you dont just take that one drug they want you to buy making you think its the only one lol.look at side effects of want your taking i have found most general docs dont evern care about it.but they love to give you the new one without even a second thought.drug companies are the same as the oil industry.they are there to make money. curing you is at the bottom of there list.reform is needed in the industry.how to get there attention is going to be a long standing wait.curing people must be more important in the future and not a train ride they can keep you buying and suffering longer than you need too....

Originally posted by kando
One thing you ought to understand is that it takes a while to get sick. In a lot of cases it can take a while to recover.

With all due respect, we are not idiots. We know this If I sound defensive, please accept my apologies - but that sentence is just incredibly condescending.

And we also know that sometimes, it can happen faster than you could say "Oh god, meningitis, get me to the hospital so I can get some antibiotics please". It's inaccurate to make a declaration that all illness stems from a long process. Sometimes, it really, truly doesn't.

All over the world there are scores of practitioners who not only claim to have cured all types of cancers but have the case histories to prove it.

I might be accused of pedantism here, but bear with me. There are also scores of practitioners who say they have a million case histories to prove the cures for all cancers, AIDS and the common cold are not only real and present now, but are all natural, too - generally though, they seem to become very quiet when asked to provide this evidence. And this seems also to apply worldwide - despite rumours to the contrary, there does not exist an International medical watchdog with jurisdiction the world over, so this doesn't make logical sense. Many of these practitioners talk the talk, but seem distubingly unable or unwilling to walk the walk.

Unless they're Kevin Trudeau. And he doesn't count.

Due to pressure from various medical associations some of these practitioners will only accept patients who have already been written off by conventional medicine as beign in an uncurable terminal condition.

This confuses me. Medical associations are pressuring these people how, exactly? The AMA has no jurisdiction outside of the US, for example. More to the point though, how many people have tried to follow these alternative treatments and died anyway? There are plenty.

A common thread with many of the cures is a totally healthy diet consisting mainly of fresh, pesticide free vegetables, berry juices and the like - and a stress free environment.

Now this has a lot of truth to it. Though it doesn't promise a cure (Tibetan monks still get cancer and heart disease), a prescription of organic vegetables and foods, low stress and plenty of exercise is obviously going to be one of the Top Ways Of Preventing Disease.

Anyone can research this and find a practitioner relatively close to where they are living right now.

Yup. But how many of these practitioners are a) actually effective, and b) not just trying to make a fast buck off of seriously ill patients who are misled by the Kevin Trudeaus of the world?

The biggest obstacle to getting a cure is ignorance.

Absolutely. And that applies to believing that a healthy diet will cure and/or prevent cancer in everyone.

Because it simply won't.

Originally posted by flukemol
i find there are drugs out there.big money to make also.alot at stake and they seem to want to discredit other areas of medical nature like herbal and vitamin industry now homopathy.seems just alittle weird that some third world countries dont get the hiv shots either.you dont have to look to far into it we all know very rich people get the stuff years before joe blow can get it.thats why when you are sick look around there is lots of things that can heal you dont just take that one drug they want you to buy making you think its the only one lol.look at side effects of want your taking i have found most general docs dont evern care about it.but they love to give you the new one without even a second thought.drug companies are the same as the oil industry.they are there to make money. curing you is at the bottom of there list.reform is needed in the industry.how to get there attention is going to be a long standing wait.curing people must be more important in the future and not a train ride they can keep you buying and suffering longer than you need too....

(Paragraphs are your friend )

I just want to point something out.

The US is not the World.

Outside of the US, many (most, actually) developed nations have price caps in place to prevent drug companies from doing this exact thing - you'll find that Joe Poor gets the exact same antiviral treatment, if it's available at all, as Joe Rich.

I'm sorry your experience has been so negative - I've come across many doctors with similar dispositions, who really are too busy/rushed/whatever to actually check to see whether the side effects of what they're prescribing actually outweigh the benefits of the drug for you, the patient. It's appalling behaviour, but I realise that there are many more "good" doctors too, who will spend the time explaining these things.

You're also advised to research, too - we seek a second opinion for surgery, but how many of us bother to seek another opinion for medicines?

The other thing I want to mention is that drugs inherently have side effects. And so do herbal/natural supplements. In fact, some natural medicines are more lethal than synthetic drugs. I'm not sure if it's reasonable to expect every drug to have absolutely no side effects whatsoever.

Moreover and we really might want to start accepting this... herbal cures just can't fix everything.

This however is the way the establishment sometimes tells you the truth straight to your face and at the same time makes you think what you are reading is absurd. It is highly likely these words are the most concise things said medically and scientifically anywhere in the past 50 years.

I didn't want to post where the article came from because I knew that most would react as they did....that it's just a rag and can't be believed, etc. Well he post I quoted says a lot. That "rag" does print some true stories and sorry to say everyone that this one is true and you all know it and some just want to deny it becuase the thought of maintenance meds being more profittable than cures is disgusting....but it is reality. Why end someone's sickness when there is a ton of money to be made in maintaining it??

This story is reality...a sad reality!! I always search the WWN for stories that ring true. There's tons more info on the web on the same subject from more "reputable" sources and you all know it!! Denial doesn't solve problems...when you wake up in the morning they are still there.....

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Originally posted by XanaX
sorry to say everyone that this one is true and you all know it .

No, it's not true. And no, we don't "all know it".

If you choose to believe a rag that prints such unproven material, that's absolutely your prerogative. But it's not exactly denying ignorance to believe something without seeing anything to support the claim.

This story is reality...a sad reality!! ..... and you all know it!! ..

Put your money where your mouth is then

Give us these sources.

While it is probably unethical for the drug companies to make millions in profit. You have to expect them to make some money. They have to cover the costs of R&D for the drug that they are pushing, as well as recover the R&D costs for the thousands of drugs they were pursuing and never came to fruition. I guess if you don't want them to make money, you don't want them to research new drugs.

Drug companies (despite what you want to believe) do research herbs and other natural cures. When researching, they find out what specific chemical within an herb actually fights the disease or virus and then finds a way to duplicate that chemical. For example, the drug companies were studying a few herbs including St. Johns Wart when coming up with Depression medicine. They found chemicals in these herbs that caused chemicals produced in the brain to produce more or less (depending on the herb). The amount of the chemical found in the herbs were not strong enough to make a scientific difference even though something was happening. Therefore, they created a chemical that was scientifically identical to the chemical found in the herbs but was much stronger. I guess you could take 35 St Johns Wart pills twice a day to get the dosage of the useful chemical found in it, or you can take one pill a day of Effexor, or Prozac etc. To me the prescription would save me money. Talk about gouging? Herb suppliers are making much more money than they should. If the stuff really works why do herbalists charge extraordinary fees?

Do drug companies supply drugs to treat the symptoms? Yes Why? because we don't know the cause of most diseases. Why do we get cancer? Not one scientist can tell you exactly why cancer appears. They have guesses, but no facts. What about alzheimers? Nope, no known cause of it. Depression? They don't know. Heart disease? Sort of. they know that cholesterol builds up in peoples arteries, but there is still debate as to why? I'm sure the drug companies would love to come up with a cure, but in order to do so, you need to know the cause. They would love the input of people on this thread if they know the cause of these diseases.

Lastly, in a nation of capitalism, if a company did find a cure for a disease that their competitors were supplying drugs to treat the symptoms, they would put it out in a second in order to put the competition out of business and take the money for themselves. Afterall they are just doing it for the money.

I agree wholeheartedly XanaX, but I think the real conspiracy lies with the FDA and not the medical industry per se. The FDA will never approve a drug that cures cancer. Therein lies the problem.

Peace

Originally posted by Dr Love
I agree wholeheartedly XanaX, but I think the real conspiracy lies with the FDA and not the medical industry per se. The FDA will never approve a drug that cures cancer. Therein lies the problem.

They cannot approve what does not exist.

(Once again, I'll point out a flaw here: the FDA has no jurisdiction outside of the US - and the world of medicine and drug research is certainly not limited to the US. So, who's preventing the other drug companies, the other countries, from releasing these cure-alls?)

Originally posted by Tinkleflower
(Once again, I'll point out a flaw here: the FDA has no jurisdiction outside of the US...

This is true.

Originally posted by Tinkleflower
So, who's preventing the other drug companies, the other countries, from releasing these cure-alls?)

Well, the "who" you ask about I can't tell you. That's the million dollar question as far as any conspiracy goes I guess. Speaking of cancer specifically, I believe that it's a global conspiracy with every big pharmaceutical company and every government being complicit. It would be known anywhere in the world if someone actually found the cure on their own. The hammer would be dropped on them immediately. The "hammer" could manifest itself in many ways. As cold and heartless as it might seem this form of population control is in our best interests.

Just my opinion.

Peace

Originally posted by Dr Love
Well, the "who" you ask about I can't tell you. That's the million dollar question as far as any conspiracy goes I guess.

Ah.

I suppose I'm just not seeing any evidence of a conspiracy, you know?

Originally posted by Kitsunegari
Tinkleflower i have no backup for that statement, i was flipping channels and saw some guy say that. i was just stating that i had heard it and that i didnt think it was very farfetched. Call me a hippie, but I'm a very earthy person and i do believe that most things have a natural remedy.

That guy on the TV is an "infomercial" trying to sell his book "natural cures they don't want you to know about". His claims may/or may not be true. I don't know since I didn't buy the book. My birth mom sells herbs/natural cures in her shop, but I got to western doctors and get prescriptions. Since the FDA doesn't "regulate" these "natural" cures yet, there is no way of knowing if they really do work or not. I would like to see some stuides backing up these claims for "cures".

Originally posted by eeper69
That guy on the TV is an "infomercial" trying to sell his book "natural cures they don't want you to know about". His claims may/or may not be true.

Oh no - Kevin Trudeau is at it again.

This man gives legitimate herbal remedies a really, really bad name.

I would like to see some stuides backing up these claims for "cures".

They do exist

The German "E" Monologues are a selection of very intensely researched (and very, very dry reading....) studies; I keep looking for a free version online, but they don't seem to have one available.

However, the US is performing clinical trials

More trials here

(Does this somewhat appease those who accuse the US of deliberately ignoring herbal medicines?)

Originally posted by Dr Love
I agree wholeheartedly XanaX, but I think the real conspiracy lies with the FDA and not the medical industry per se. The FDA will never approve a drug that cures cancer. Therein lies the problem.

Peace

I have a similar thought to you as well in regard to the million dollar question of these medical empires holding back cures.I have started a thread in the politcal forum on my jaded views on the government and these billion dollar pharamcuetical empires you can choose thadd your rant or add to the discussion

politics.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally quoted by Eeper69
I would like to see some stuides backing up these claims for "cures".

Originally posted by Tinkleflower
They do exist

The German "E" Monologues are a selection of very intensely researched (and very, very dry reading....) studies; I keep looking for a free version online, but they don't seem to have one available.

However, the US is performing clinical trials

More trials here

(Does this somewhat appease those who accuse the US of deliberately ignoring herbal medicines?)

Thanks for the links. I will check them out. It is good to know that the scientific community is finally taking herbal supplements seriously.

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Tinkleflower
>Alas, the Kevin Trudeaus of the world have made it very hard
>for the rest of us to take seriously
>Unless they're Kevin Trudeau. And he doesn't count.
>seriously ill patients who are misled by the Kevin Trudeaus of the world?
>Oh no - Kevin Trudeau is at it again.

...wow...somebody have an unpleasant personal experience? Seriously...what's with the "Kevin trudeau is the Anti-Christ" angle?

I thought Kevin's story was that he had a mitro cardio prolapse and was told by an American doctor that it was incurable, and that he was going to die in his twenties...so he consulted a doctor in China who didn't think it was a big deal and immediately fixed it.

So what's the problem?

Originally posted by LordBucket
...wow...somebody have an unpleasant personal experience? Seriously...what's with the "Kevin trudeau is the Anti-Christ" angle?

No. I just have a problem with heartless, unethical frauds who prey on the weak, the sick and the vulnerable.

I thought Kevin's story was that he had a mitro cardio prolapse and was told by an American doctor that it was incurable, and that he was going to die in his twenties...so he consulted a doctor in China who didn't think it was a big deal and immediately fixed it.

So what's the problem?

Oh, where should I start...

Mitral valve prolapse? It's generally not considered a fatal flaw to begin with. Most people with MVP don't even have symptoms! More on mitral valve prolapse

Most people with mitral valve prolapse don't need any treatment. In fact, this condition usually has no effect on your health. About 2 of every 100 people with this condition have complications. If your valve is too leaky or if you are having lots of symptoms you may need surgery to fix the valve.

But that's not the point

The man is a fraud

A charlatan

And about as unethical a person as is humanly possible

(and the rest of the world seems to agree).

The man has made millions of dollars, by lying.

Now I'm sure I'm going to hear about why the only reason he's been silenced is because he's "trying to expose" the fraud. He'd have a point, perhaps, except that the charges thrown back at him by the FTC are...actually true.

It's also it's a little like "Mrs Pot? This is Mr Kettle. You're both looking very, very similar...". He's making fraudulent claims, with absolutely no science behind them, and he's preying on people who want to believe.

Let's take a look.

Amongst many allegations Kevin has made over the years (and bear in mind he had many MLM schemes before getting involved with natural cures), is that the FDA is corrupt.

There's probably a lot of truth in this (I can only say "probably", because unlike the charges against Trudeau, nobody has yet successfully charged the FDA with any crime and I'm not about to make myself liable for any libellous lawsuit).

I've worked with the FDA. It's not a perfect organization (and if anyone has any remaining conviction that it is, I suggest you read Alicia Mundy's "Dispensing With The Truth"). Those involved with the decision-making processes are usually bombarded by all sides - the pharmaceuticals making the drugs, the doctors prescribing, and the patients themselves. Mistakes are sometimes made (as with phen-fen), and tragically, some of these mistakes are fatal.

Nobody is disputing or denying this.

And I actually agree with Trudeau when he does suggest that the FDA might sometimes be "pursuaded" to rush an approval, or with-hold a black-box warning. I've actually seen it happen.

Trudeau's focus is selling his books. Do you know what his book entails?

It's a thick volume. It has a lot of what's known as "filler" - vague promises of cures, a lot of allegations thrown at the FTC and FDA (again, I'm sure some of these allegations are based in fact). But the kicker? His book contains no cures - instead, his book points you in the direction of his website ("for more information....."). And guess what? If you want that information, you have to pay for it.

A lot.

Much of the "filler" contains common-sense advice related to eating healthier and exercising, and trying to destress.

Do you really need to spend $30 to be told this? Or are you ok with spending that money to be told this, and then directed to his website which requires membership?

And did I mention that he's a convicted thief who posed as a Doctor to commit fraud?

Obligatory wiki link

More:

Trudeau begins a list of endorsements with a quotation from Dr. Herbert Ley, a former commissioner of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. But Ley never endorsed or even read Trudeau’s book because he died on July 22, 2001.

More about Kevin

That's why I have a problem with Mr Trudeau



(Edited, because I cannot spell. It's obviously a caffeine conspiracy)

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Originally posted by Mirthful Me
I will refrain on commenting on how ridiculous this article is, being that I'm a member of the "multi-trillion-dollar industry."

Thank gawd I don't rely on prescription drugs.

But I do rely on enough people to need prescription drugs, especially antidepressants, to protect my financial investment, which increases proportionately as more people consume these drugs.

I think the original post here has both truth and untruth.

I don't think that most doctors know about natural cures.

I think the drug companies higher ups do know about natural cures.

I've read about several places on earth that are cancer free. One in particular ate lots of peaches and its seed/pit - no cancer.

Hemp was outlawed, why?

Vitamins are going to give less in the near future, when means more health problems will arise.

Cancer is MUCH higher today than it was 100 years ago and before.


So, I do think there IS something there, its just that that I don't that many are in the know.

Cancer is MUCH higher today than it was 100 years ago and before.

How do you know this? We didn't have the diagnostic equipment back then that we have now, some of the rise can be attributed to better screening and understanding of the catchall phrase for uncontrolled cell growth.

Originally posted by godservant
I think the drug companies higher ups do know about natural cures.

As I've suggested before, take a look at the links concerning US clinical trials and natural remedies. Or, for that matter, clinical trials elsewhere

Cancer is MUCH higher today than it was 100 years ago and before.

To be fair, part of this is simply because we've made some great steps in diagnosing and reporting cancer.

Cancer has always been with us. But, people do become exposed to many more carcinogenic substances than they might have.

All this proves is...there is probably more cancer. Doesn't really prove anything about a cure.

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