Tired of everything (almost)!!!

So this stemmed from another topic of mine and I decided to expand it into its own thread. I am tired of everything and wanted to see if I am the only one. I am tired of:

society pushing society rules on me
other people telling me what is the best for me
laws and rules
trying to free peoples minds and feeling like it isnt helping
government
being ripped off by politics
politics
insurance
having to wear my seatbelt
not being truly free
trying to fight oppression and running into bliss ignorance
people not thinking
being told that is the way it is

Anybody else tired of the system?

Okay I'll bite...

let me guess...

You're probably under the age of ummm 20

Recently had to renew your Drivers License / Plates
purchased insurance for your car...

and

Recently been pulled over by a police man,

Probably for speeding, but could be any number of traffic violations.

You were not wearing a seat belt,

argued with the cop, had to go to court... where you argued with the judge and lost.

Now you're Pissed off about it ?

does that sum it up?

Just Curious keep up the fight :shk::shk:

27, been pulled over, have yet to go to court, still pissed off, got pissed at the cop for being rude, pulled over at 2400 hours for making an illegal left hand turn, asked the cop as soon as he got to my window why he pulled me over, refused to answer until I showed him my info, continued to look for my registration that fell on the floor, and continued to ask why I was pulled over, he refused to answer, I gave him a hard time because I have the right to, he goes away for 25 minutes to write me a ticket, comes back with ticket, I ask for badge number, he says it is on the ticket, I ask to verify, he walks away.

I will go to court to fight it. 1 cause the cop was a d i c k and 2 because it is an excessive fine.

This thread doesnt have much to do with that, though. This one is me being frustrated and feeling like I cant make a change. That people dont want to be helped so why should I continue to try. I am tired of bending over.

[edit on 6-9-2005 by gottr]

So... did you make an illegal left turn?

Exactly what did you say to the officer when he approached your vehicle, were you using a "normal voice / tone" with him?

Did you give him any problems about immediately handing over your license and information?

I have a feeling we're not getting the whole story here...

Yes I made an illegal left turn.

Not sure exactly what I said, he spoke first in a demanding attitude. So I immediatelty asked him why he pulled me over, probably in the same tone he gave me.

I couldnt find my registration, it fell on the floor, other than that no.

That is about as whole as it gets. I pulled into a strip club then he pulled in right after me. No one was behind me, so he was obviously profiling. As I am about to leave another car is pulled over into the strip club. They were out profiling, he came off with an attitude that he was better than me and I refused to take it. Simple.

Wait.

You say they were profiling...

Yet you admit you made an illegal left turn?

You knew this, but still had to ask him why you'd been pulled over?

(just trying to clarify)

You made an illegal maneuvre. That's why you were pulled over, it seems....

I didnt say I didnt break your laws. I know why I was pulled over, plus he eventually told me.

Stop being annoying.

[edit on 6-9-2005 by gottr]

I know

I'm just not sure why you say they were profiling.

They pulled you over because you broke the law.

*shrug*

Sounds to me like he was a cop doing his job. Cops have to be stern. He doesn't know you. For all he knows you could be some freak with a gun under the seat ready to shoot him. And you did make an illegal move.

I'm tired of everything being so damned PC that everything is considered profiling. Yes, cops are going to hang out in slums. Slums are where a lot of crim happens. It's called common sense. Oh, but common sense is bad. In Arizona, there's a street called Van Buren. A lot of hookers hang out around there (pretty far from my area). Cops hang around there because they know strippers hang around there. It's like fishing in an area of the pond where you know fish hang out. Profiling? Maybe. But it's what they need to do to get their job done: protecting people.

And you speak about "opening people's minds". Well how do you know that your mind is the one that's open? Their opinions differ from you, so you assume that their close-minded? I mean, some individuals, I agree, can be really close minded, but take me for example. I'm a Bush supporter, but I consider myself very open-minded. Some people call me close-minded because I support Bush. That's a very close minded thing of THEM to say. You have to be open to other people's opinions as they are to yours.

But I don't know you, so I'm probably wrong in my assumption.

Says you. I am open minded because I believe that we are free people to make each and every decision our selves. If I want to be a hooker on the corner then that is my right. Is it right for you, maybe. Does it affect you, maybe. Is it my right, absolutely. Laws and rules are just a form of opression to control the masses. Nothing more, nomatter what kind of pretty package you want to put it in. I dont think that any of my answers are right for you, but as a free person free thinking I know they are right for me.
[
quote]
Sounds to me like he was a cop doing his job. Cops have to be stern. He doesn't know you. For all he knows you could be some freak with a gun under the seat ready to shoot him.


For all I knew he could have been out to hurt me. Ya never know do ya?

Yep damned tired of it.

Laws are opression, fines from courts are oppression for the poor just like bank fees.

Yup Gottr, you are not alone....

Thanks Mayet, it is so good to hear a voice of reason. I was starting to go brain dead.

Originally posted by gottr
If I want to be a hooker on the corner then that is my right. Is it right for you, maybe. Does it affect you, maybe. Is it my right, absolutely. Laws and rules are just a form of opression to control the masses

No. See it's not your right. You can delude yourself into thinking that, but it doesn't make it any truer.

It's that simple. You do not have the right to break the laws which you don't like.

There are laws most of us don't like. Do you really think we like the fact that we "need" to use a social security number to open a bank account? (there's a legal way around this, but that's a different matter - you get the point). Do you really think we like having to submit to baggage checks and/or x-raying at the airports? Come on.

And by the same token, there are laws most of us are thankful for (even you. Because I'd bet my last cent you don't know the reasons why - or even the existence of - each and every law, and as a result I'd also bet there are laws in place that protect you every day of the week that you're unaware of, and that you'd actually be quite happy about having in place)

Nobody is arguing that everyone must like every law that's written - I really do hope you can see that?

But the ones you're arguing about...dude, you broke the law, you did so in a non life-saving situation, and you want to complain about it....that's basically what's happening here, isn't it?

You admitted to breaking that law, and you said you did so knowing it wasn't in a life or death situation (which, yes, might actually change things on occasion).

Deal with the consequences for your actions.

Dude, it is oppression. Just modern taxation. Hopefully one day people will realize that individually we are our own masters. If you are content being a slave to laws, then have fun. I am not. You would probably be one of those people that liked being taxed into poverty by the King of England because it was the law. Just because it is the law does not make it right. Understand?

Originally posted by gottr
If you are content being a slave to laws, then have fun. I am not. You would probably be one of those people that liked being taxed into poverty by the King of England because it was the law. Just because it is the law does not make it right. Understand?

Ah, if only life were so simple that it could be assessed so easily.

I keep wondering though - what exactly do you intend to do about it?

(And you really don't want to start the taxes thing. How do you think those little roads on which you want to drive are paid for? The water that is piped into your house? Any of those public services?)

It is, people like you are conplicating it.

Originally posted by gottr
It is, people like you are conplicating it.

Now we're getting to the crux.

What's your real argument?

With the law, or with people like me who don't wish to see everything in such a black and white manner?

Nah, I was just taking a shot at you. My bad.

Alrighty, so laws are forms of oppression, and all government is bad. If there was a smily for rolling my eyes, it would have been at the end of that sentence. So I guess you'd be just fine if somebody walked in to your home, stole all your stuff, and then murdered you family. Wouldn't want any rules against that, now would we? Cause they're just forms of oppression . I guess you wouldn't want the majority of people to have homes, then. Because if it weren't for a governing body, there would be no jobs, which means no home builders, which means anyone who wants a home will have to build it with his/her own hands and stuff he/she finds. Because there would be no store to buy anything to build your home. And you can forget about the Internet. In fact, you can also forget about electricity and running water. Better go build your house next to a fresh-water river then, and hope that everybody else doesn't have the same idea. Oh, and that language you're speaking: gone. Why would everyone speak the same language if there was nobody teaching it? People have to work together to achieve thigns, and whether or not you like it, it will always boil down to some kind of government.

im not taking any ones side when i say this:

the laws made by the government are rarther oppresive ,BUT , the modern society has enforced laws over time because most people cant live without all these laws and when the enforcers of the rules step down a noch the nieve people stupidly take advantage of it and commit various crimes. therefor more laws are made to counteract this.