Dress rehersal for a nuke strike on US

Well you all should take this with a grain of salt, but I've been watching fox news for a couple days now and at least 3 times today I heard Geraldo Rivera say that the response to katrina was a dress rehersal for a nuclear strike on the United States. I was stunned when he said that, I was like, what.... what the hell are you talking about dude? i was literally screaming at the TV. Thoughts please.

Weahther Control Technology is not nearly as developed as people think. One perspective is that he was trying to extend our brains.

I dont get your point. I made no mention of any form of weather control. Im talking about FEMA response i guess.

The problem is that people don't know the truth and if you try to tell them the truth, they get angry. Denial is the first defense mechanism. It goes to the "shoot the messenger syndrome." People THAT KNOW THE TRUTH can't tell you the truth because they know your response will be to attack the messenger. Geraldo may or may not have been trying to tell you something. I didn't see it, so I can't say. I'm one of the people in this country that know the truth. I've tried to come right out and tell people what is really going on. I've found that people just can't handle it. My friends in the game tell me I'm crazy for trying to enlighten a nation of people that love a mystery and a conspiracy, but hate the truth. The truth is scary. The first response is fear, then anger. I can assure you that Geraldo knows the truth but there is no way he would be stupid enough to tell you because you can't handle it. You'd rather be lied to or misled because it has that mystery you all love.
I look thru this board and read the things people post. I'd love to shed light on the mystery and conspiracy theories with some facts, but I can't do that because you can't handle it. It's frustrating. I'm just trying to learn to deal with the peoples hypocracy of "claiming to want, and searching for the truth", but denying it when they find it or it's shown to them.

As far as a nuclear strike against America goes; there is that concern and very real threat. A 60 minutes producer named George Crile wrote a book called "Charlie Wilsons war." In the book he kinds sorta tells the truth you can handle and lets out what you can't handle. It's the story of Americas covert war with Russia when America backed the mujahadeen freedom fighters in Afghanistan. Thats when Al Queda was formed BY AMERICA. Nobody will deny that and it's made clear in the book. After the Afghan/Russian war some Soviet Generals and scientists defected. The only thing they had to sell to start a new life was suitcase tactical nukes- 40 of them. They were bought on the black market by the Americans who formed Al Queda. They were booby trapped and useless without the program to bypass the traps. The American Al Queda leaders started a fire outside Los Alamos nuclear lab in 1999 and sounded the alarm to evacuate the safe. then they stole the harddrives that contained the info to bypass the booby traps- then put the harddrives back behind a copy machine. Now they have these suitcase nukes and the know-how to use them. They have America nuclear blackmailed, as well as other nations. Thats the story behind all the madness you people like to wonder about. 40 suitcases can do alot of damage. They can get you anything you want.

Maybe he means we would respond similairly to a nuke attack?

Sounds plausible RLS. What do the people that control the 40 suitcase nukes want? Who are they? And please don't hand us that "you can't handle the truth." Let us make that decision.

Iv'e always thought bio/chem was much more dangerous than nukes. Maybe i'm wrong.

And they get the tritium for these triggers where RLS?

It would be very easy to threaten any number of countries if they are aware you have the means to excercise your option. It is unfortunate that the Russian defectors were so short sighted in their pursuit of open-market currency, if they had thought forward enough many of them may not have sold the weapons.

As a public demonstration they would only have to detonate a single weapon, say in some innocuous place like Stone Harbor, New Jersey. The rest of the weapons could be identified by the Russians through the various parts different serial numbers in the other weapons.

Poof goes an American city, Russians verify serial numbers and the group holding the weapons strikes enough fear into the western world populace so that they would give anything and everything to prevent another weapon being ignited.

Um Ed,

Tritium was not used in the 115 and 118 series of weapons, they are conventional fission weapons, not fusion. Although they should take care not to 'soak' the uranium or the weapons will become useless.

I have just one question.

IF one of these suitcase nukes were to be used in a major city, roughly how large of an area
would be affected directly and how large of an area would be seriously contaminated?

You're trying to read into some dramatics uttered by Jerry Rivers, as he used to be known until it was chick to not be pale? Come now, Geraldo doesn't even pay attention to what Geraldo says!

In response to the question of 'how big' here is a linky for you.

Contamination and the spread of fallout is directly related to factors such as wind speed and direction, height of explosion and energy released.
If you go the websight linked above, and remembering that we are discussing 'suitcase' nukes, set the slider to 20kt and select a city from the list provided. Then click on a location in that city and the colored circles will move to that location accordingly.

Tritium is used in the cores of even "fission" weapons manufactured by advanced nuclear powers.

This was already developed in the late 1940's early 1950's in the USA and probably nearly all operational weapons were designed this way, called "boosted" warheads.

The advantage is a signficant increase in the fissile efficiency and reduction of the critical mass necessary, and therefore the physical size and overall mass. At the moment of near maximum implosion a small amount of tritium and deuterium can fuse which causes an additional pulse of neutrons above the normal exponential chain reaction from fission.

There are also some safety advantages, as a warhead would be far from criticality without the tritium primed. In missiles and warheads the injection of the tritium is a complex step and a physical prerequisite for arming.

If there are Russian suitcase nukes missing, I sure hope that they were designed to use tritium (as may be expected, but not entirely necessary) because that would present a very significant technical challenge to a terrorist. Tritium decays and can only be manufactured in a nuclear reactor in the large quantities necessary for nuclear weaponry. Tritium, chemically like hydrogen but a bit heavier, will still be as difficult to contain as hydrogen and in these quantities is extraordiarily expensive. Imagine 10 million dollars evaporating into the atmosphere because of a little leak or turning the wrong bolt.

True fusion nuclear weapons have a separate "secondary". There the Lithium-6 undergoes fission from the neutrons from the original U/Pu fission primary or the fission "spakrplug" converting itself into Tritium and something else---then that tritium fuses with deuterium in large amounts.

The advantage there is that you have, in Li6 deuteride, effectively proto-tritium at solid densities instead of being a thin, hard to handle gas. That doesn't work for boosting, as it apparently sucks up too many neutrons or the kinetics are wrong.

I hope it wasnt a dress rehersal because this proved beyond all shadow of a doubt that the US is incapable of responding to a huge attack, their response is more like that of a 3rd world country.

Its pretty clear the US government is more concerned about spending billions upon billions finding new ways of killing people than they are looking after the welfare of their own population.

Originally posted by Flyer
I hope it wasnt a dress rehersal because this proved beyond all shadow of a doubt that the US is incapable of responding to a huge attack, their response is more like that of a 3rd world country.

I beg to difer. Third world countries usually behave in a more responsive manner.

Quicker, faster and more humanitarian on average, smaller, poorer countries are used to huge catastrophies which often mean a combined double whammy of both people and property loss. The faster they react, the better off they are when time for rebuilding comes around.

Look at how well prepared Cuba is for hurricanes.

With a few exceptions (either they wanted their people dead or didn't have sufficient funds) I would say that overall they are better prepared than the US.

Also, the whole pride thing is a non-issue for most 3rd world countries.

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Well said realivespook:

The problem is that people don't know the truth and if you try to tell them the truth, they get angry. Denial is the first defense mechanism. It goes to the "shoot the messenger syndrome." People THAT KNOW THE TRUTH can't tell you the truth because they know your response will be to attack the messenger.

I might add they like to deal with it by cracking jokes: Tin foil hats, black helicopters, Art Bell, too much X Files shows, take your medication You know the drill

Originally posted by Chuck Stevenson
In response to the question of 'how big' here is a linky for you.

Contamination and the spread of fallout is directly related to factors such as wind speed and direction, height of explosion and energy released.
If you go the websight linked above, and remembering that we are discussing 'suitcase' nukes, set the slider to 20kt and select a city from the list provided. Then click on a location in that city and the colored circles will move to that location accordingly.

Thanks Chuck,
Very interesting site indeed.

This certainly explains why so many high security satellite offices have been moved out to the suburbs.

Essentially if you work downtown, you're history, but those of us more than 10 miles away should be relatively safe it seems???

i wouldnt worry about a nuke attack anytime soon...if anything youll see car/truck/tanker bombs in city areas.

but who knows, if anything sept 12 would be the day for somthin major. Since 9/11 is a sunday and a "stronger" sttack would overshadow that days previous attack, that week might be somthing. Not to mention as we are currently involved with the katrina disaster, a major attack would surly kick us while were down. It would be there best chance at a devestating blow to the U.S Katrina is expected to cost billions and if that so called american hiroshima is not bull, then we would be in serious trouble.

anyway personally feel nothin will happen, i dont think there are nukes in the U.S, and unless they posses chem/bio weapons i doubt there will be this so called "deadly blow" to america.

Now they have these suitcase nukes and the know-how to use them. They have America nuclear blackmailed, as well as other nations. Thats the story behind all the madness you people like to wonder about. 40 suitcases can do alot of damage. They can get you anything you want.

From a congressional testimony I read (by a defected Soviet general), these old so-called suitcase nukes were the size of golf bags and weighed around 200 pounds each. Some briefcase. I'll find this testimony if I can. I am sure they have nukes the size of briefcases now, but not back then.

Geraldo is a moron. He should be ordered to stay 500 feet from any video or audio recording device for the rest of his life. He's no real investigative reporter.

Clearly we can see that if there is a nuke event in America, there will be massive additional casualties from lack of FEMA support. America needs civil defense, organized on a grass-roots level.

by smallpeeps

Clearly we can see that if there is a nuke event in America, there will be massive additional casualties from lack of FEMA support. America needs civil defense, organized on a grass-roots level.

Has already been taken care of under the umbrella of the Dept. of Homeland Security.

Citizen Corps

Not just your everyday average "Neighborhood Watch" program.

Looks rather nice and rosey on the outside, but take a closer look within the bowels of the site.

VIPS

More like rat your neighbor out . . . anonymously of course!

Not that I personally have a damn thing to hide from anyone, but I do see the potential for lil' ole' so-and-so down the street informing whomever that, "Hey, there's somethin' reely suspishus going on over yonder" based on what?



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