tokyo sky city (city in the clouds)

Then we shouldnt allow people to have more then two children.

We are paying for our mistakes and will continue to do so.

I wonder how much a condo on the top of the building will cost there
I guess about 5-10 million $ I need to win some WPT tournament lol

Originally posted by YaYo
Then we shouldnt allow people to have more then two children.

We are paying for our mistakes and will continue to do so.

lol the average Children per family in North america stands at 2.1 .

Here are some basic facts on japan.
en.wikipedia.org...

Population: 127,417,244 (July 2005 est.) people in 47,062,743 households, 78.7 percent in urban areas (July 2000). High population density; 329.5 persons per square kilometer for total area; 1,523 persons per square kilometer for habitable land. More than 50 percent of population lives on 2 percent of land. (July 1993)

Population growth rate:

0.05% (2005 est.)
0.08% (2004 est.)
0.11% (2003 est.)
0.18% (2000 est.)

Notice the growth rate plummeting in recent years in Japan?

Birth rate:

9.47 births/1,000 population (2005 est.)
9.56 births/1,000 population (2004 est.)
9.61 births/1,000 population (2003 est.)
9.96 births/1,000 population (2000 est.)

Death rate:

8.95 deaths/1,000 population (2005 est.)
8.75 deaths/1,000 population (2004 est.)
8.55 deaths/1,000 population (2003 est.)
8.15 deaths/1,000 population (2000 est.)


Age structure:

0-14 years: 14.3% (male 9,337,867; female 8,876,996)
15-64 years: 66.2% (male 42,697,264; female 42,196,835)
65 years and over: 19.5% (male 10,169,190; female 14,054,850) (2005 est.)

Sex ratio:

at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.05 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 1.01 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 0.73 male(s)/female
total population: 0.96 male(s)/female (2005 est.)

The ONLY reason why it's above 2 is due to immigration seeking jobs and a better life, we gotta curtail immigration not curtail birth-rate which would be immoral and dictatorial.

The fallacies of the old-enviro's died in the 90s when it became clear they were not working. Again I urge you to do the research, a good place to start is that WorldChanging link in my siggy.

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Means we are taking from Earth .1 more then we should be.

Im sure in other countries it is greater then 2.1, and im sure that immigration is destroying the US, and cities, industry, and economy are definatly destroying the planet.

Originally posted by YaYo
Means we are taking from Earth .1 more then we should be.

Im sure in other countries it is greater then 2.1, and im sure that immigration is destroying the US, and cities, industry, and economy are definatly destroying the planet.

In 50 years all projections point to a baby-crises. EG Not enough children being born, these things ebb and flow.

In poorer countries yes you're right its MUCH higher then 2.1.

India, Indonesia and China are the biggest problem states when dealing with overpopulation. China is actually headed for a population crash due to not enough Females making it to adulthood.

In some places in Europe Baby-Bounties are becoming popular, eg the State pays families to have children.

Italy has the lowest birth-rate at 1.4 in europe(or lower I forget and I am not digging up the links now, you can use wikipedia too)

This concept is very simple. In the City Children are a liability and children are generally safer in Cities then in Rural areas. In Rural areas in the world child mortality is very very high, so in response to that Families have lots and lots of children to help on the farm. The more the merrier, because all it takes is 5 years of rearing then their kids are good to work on the farm. In the City Children are typically raised to sustain themselves not help sustain the family farm. Raising a Kid in the city costs money, on the farm it makes money.

Urbanization and Education is key to turning the corner.

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Lol I guess this debate is over.

Sorry for the triple post but...

This is the type of Urban Planning I want to see more of.

www.worldchanging.com...

A funky transit system? Unlike Toronto itself, public transit hasn't been a priority in the sprawling northern suburbs, collectively called York Region. But now there's movement toward smart sprawl, with York Region introducing a new bus-based rapid transit system with style, visible to the world through a site which is itself a work of art: Viva York (Flash required).

www.vivayork.com...

Infact I think this deserves its on thread it's so neat!

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Originally posted by YaYo
...and im sure that immigration is destroying the US

LOL... this almost surpasses the Standing Ignorance Benchmark (SIB) set by this chub yesterday:

Originally posted by YaYo
How the heck would a big bang theory explain where matter came from.

No, he wouldn't benefit from a college education whatsoever...

Originally posted by sardion2000

Originally posted by The_Final
How safe could they make these things?Also is their any specualtion on the time/man power/or the cost of such a building? I am thinking it would almost be cheaper to just spread out to the ocean by making towns that float on the surface.

This is not going to be structure of Steel and Concrete, I hope all of you realize that. The only materials that would make this structure feasible is Carbon Nanotubes. Infact the Shimizu Megacity Pyramid(Mile High Structure btw) mega-trusses have to be made from a Carbon Nanocomposit, anything else would be too weak and too heavy. I see these structure being built before the Space Elevator btw

Maybe by 2020 Japan will be laying the foundation for one of these projects they surely need it badly. Just think of the technology that would come out of such a mega-project though... Boggles the mind.

Not everything is going to revolve around a technology that is decades away from being economical. As of now the best material in place of steel is a similar composite material. In about 5-10 there is going to be an inevitable greater need for oil. The way this is satisfied is by construction and operation of deep sea offshore oil rigs. Rigs that are 200+ miles off the coast. But at the moment steel isn't such a good idea to be making these structures out of. That is where composites come into play.

As of now a composite material similar to steel cost about $20 perpound, steel is about $.7 per pound. This information was in an issue of OGJ a few weeks back.

I think once the price of these composites drop, we will see them at use in more than just the construction of oil rigs, but also in the construction of buildings.

Originally posted by Frosty
Not everything is going to revolve around a technology that is decades away from being economical.

I was mostly talking about the mile-high pyramid. Sometimes when I'm tired I get mixed up in what I'm talking about

Sky-City may well be built well before that is even being considered. Most of my time is thinking about what is going to be possible in 20-30 years time not 5-10, I guess when you get older you tend to start to think longer term lol.

Another aspect that I didn't really consider was the new types of Concrete coming on the market. Still quite expensive but quite promising nontheless. Did you see that concrete canoe a university built for some competition. It actively stores tidal energy that hits the bow of the boat and releases it on the stern in regular intervals. Quite neat technology.

In about 5-10 there is going to be an inevitable greater need for oil.

Unfortunate but true, composites could go along way towards lowering Gasoline consumption though.

As of now a composite material similar to steel cost about $20 perpound, steel is about $.7 per pound. This information was in an issue of OGJ a few weeks back.

Please be more specific what composit materials are you talking about there are quite allot of them.

I think once the price of these composites drop, we will see them at use in more than just the construction of oil rigs, but also in the construction of buildings.

Agreed, but in the long run it is only a transitionary technology. I have a feeling we may be reaching the limits of tensile strength soon.

On a side note..

For all we know though some wonder material could get invented tomarrow and get commercialized within a decade. It's happened before... granted the last time that happen was in insulation(ever hear of Starlight?)

Sardion2000
our planet is not 'fine' 2/3rds of all ecosystems which we depend upon as a species are out of balance and are getting ravaged by pollution, increasing temps and invasive species that hitch rides with us.

Temp have been rising for thousands of years...

What has pollution ravaged?

and your last comment, are you refering to ships ballast?

Temp have been rising for thousands of years...

What does that have to do with Poaching and Human encroachment?

What has pollution ravaged?

I live near water. Undrinkable and unswimable water that was polluted by industry, and since we so wisely drained the wetlands took away the ecosystems "Liver".

You live in a City? Smog has made my life nearly unbearable during summer(confined to Airconditioned house).

You want to know what Overfishing and Illigal Dumping causes? Look at the Eastern Canadian coast and the Great Lakes respectively.

and your last comment, are you refering to ships ballast?

Sorry I get my boat terminology mixed up. Front stores energy and the Back Releases it.

i saw the documentary on this and the concept is amazing. i would like to know how far they are with this and if there is a date for habitation and date for overall completion of the whole project. also were do i sighn for an apartment i so want one. and i want to go on one of those double decker super fast lifts. that would be awesome wonder if they would have a zoo in there? could the animals stand the altitude? hmmm all very pressing issues to me