NEWS: Bush administration requested control over N.O. Evacuation On Friday

Originally posted by Joseph Knecht
From the National Guard's Website:

During peacetime each state National Guard answers to the leadership in the 50 states, three territories and the District of Columbia. During national emergencies, however, the President reserves the right to mobilize the National Guard, putting them in federal duty status. While federalized, the units answer to the Combatant Commander of the theatre in which they are operating and, ultimately, to the President.

www.arng.army.mil...

How hard is that to understand... eh?

Not very, which day was the Katrina disaster declared an event of national significance by Director Homeland Security allowing the mobilization you now see the results of. - Em - Late Tuesday? - coinciding with the days open looting in front of LNG and NOLA Police.

Even so it still did not allow police operations by guard units. That would have taken a declaration of insurrection by Blanco.

[edit on 4-9-2005 by Phoenix]

Not very, which day was the Katrina disaster declared an event of national significance by Director Homeland Security allowing the mobilization you now see the results of. - Em - Late Tuesday? - coinciding with the days open looting in front of LNG and NOLA Police.

Could you reword that...? It's not coherent.

Originally posted by Joseph Knecht
Not very, which day was the Katrina disaster declared an event of national significance by Director Homeland Security allowing the mobilization you now see the results of. - Em - Late Tuesday? - coinciding with the days open looting in front of LNG and NOLA Police.

Could you reword that...? It's not coherent.

Maybe this will be coherent,

Posse Comitatus Act

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Ah...it sounds so simple....

But isn't the "Post" considered a mouthpiece for the regime in power?

I'm sure it takes a bevy of specialist lawyers to wade thru all the
intricacies of having the Fed. take control of a city government.

i bet a lot has to do with economics & wealth control = Follow The $$$

i also bet the delay time had many meetings with the Federal Reserve,
Tax Lawyers, Municipal Bond lawyers, appraisers, adjusters, assessors,
and the neocons heading the administration, and Investment Industry leaders from the private sector.

....the 'Point' in the article, is just a gut-issue diversion!
imho

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Phoenix's timeline is pretty much the same as the one i have come up with. i would add the following quotes from today's Times Picyuane regarding where the blame should fall.

Asked whether he himself bore responsibility for the
debacle, Nagin responded: “I'll take what
responsibility I have to take. But let me ask you
this: When you have a city of 500,000 people, and you
have a Category 5 bearing down on you, and the best
you've ever done is evacuate 60 percent of the people…
and there's never been a mandatory evacuation in this
city's history.
“I did that, and I elevated the level of stress to the
citizens. I said to make sure you have a fricking axe
in your house. And as a last resort, there are no
buildings in the city to withstand a Category 3 storm
other than the Superdome, and when that filled up, we
started sending them to the convention center. You
tell me what else I was supposed to do.”

another quote from the mayor in the same paper:

Nagin singled out Gov. Kathleen Blanco for criticism,
saying that the governor had asked for 24 hours to
think over a decision when time was a luxury that no
one, especially refugees, had.
“When the president and the governor got here, I said,
'Mr. President, Madame Governor, you two have to get
in synch. If you don't, more people are going to die.”
Blanco and Bush met privately at his insistence, Nagin
said, after which Bush came out and told Nagin that he
had given Blanco two options, and she requested a full
day to decide.
“It would have been great if we could have walked off
Air Force One and told the world we had it all worked
out,” Nagin said. “It didn't happen, and more people
died.”

sounds like a lot of this is falling on the gov office.

bottom line on this?

governments make plans for emergencies for what they think will happen. but, nature doesn't always follow those plans. katrina reminds me of a quote from patton: "one does not plan than then try to make circumstances fit those plans. one tries to make plans fit circumstances. i think the difference between success and failure in high command depends upon its ability, or lack of it, to do just that."

we have to learn from this tragedy and remember one thing: Al-Queda is watching and learning from our mistakes.

if we react this was in the event of an attack, and this was a good rehersal for the next Al-Queda attack, we are going to be in a lot of trouble.

ruppcat, if you have a link for the info you just posted you should add it here and at the thread Valhall started to document Katrina related information.

Valhalls Thread,
www.abovetopsecret.com...

No politics, just the linked info though.

Well i think it's disgusting and it all stinks.

These people are busy primping and preening, taking time out to decide, arguing over juristiction, passing the buck and blaming everyone else. And these are the guys you have in charge of your country?

Rotten just rotten......the whole damned lot. How dare they use people lives as part of their political chess game........

Governor Blanco requested the Federal Government's help, and the help was few and far between... and in many cases DENIED.

PERIOD.

Listen to the people on the ground....!

You want to turn it into the same slop that the Jefferson Parish President was rightfully bitching about... Paperwork..?

Posse Comitatus..?

Yeah Buddy... Explain that to the folks in New Orleans.

There is NO EXCUSE.

You want to defend this and that...

9.11- WE GOT CAUGHT WITH OUR PANTS DOWN.

Iraq- OUR INTELLIGENCE WAS FAULTY.

New Orleans- WE DIDN"T KNOW THE LEVEES WOULD BREACH.

Wake up... and work on your transparency.

Godspeed.

The administration sought unified control over all local police and state National Guard units reporting to the governor. Louisiana officials rejected the request after talks throughout the night, concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law. Some officials in the state suspected a political motive behind the request. "Quite frankly, if they'd been able to pull off taking it away from the locals, they then could have blamed everything on the locals," said the source, who does not have the authority to speak publicly.
- (from the original story posted on page one)

The options Blanco was given seem important. Did GWB say give it to me and I'll declare marital law?

Notice the source says:

*Lousiana officials rejected the request....what request? That the federal government move in with martial law?

Wasn't the state the one making the request for aide?
What was the federal government offering ?

*They were "concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law?" These officials worked through the night were still 'concerned' about what they were hearing from Washington?

There must have been some serious consequences to what they were offered.

I told you what happened. The federal government said to the governor 'you will' and when she didn't, they stood down and waited until it was impossible for the administration to ignore the problem they helped create.

Yes, the governor took chances. She felt the admistration would recognize they were playing with human lives and would mobilize immediately.

And yes, the administration ignored the impending disaster. And waiting until there was no other option they rode in and said, "Yep, they screwed up, but we're here to fix it!"







[edit on 5-9-2005 by garyo1954]

When The Truth Is In Short Supply

I'm hoping to read the testimony of all involved as they tell Congress under oath why they played jurisdiction poker while American citizens died of criminal neglect.

I also hope that there are plenty of survivors in the gallery when they do it.

I might even get a TV to watch that. After almost three years without one, I might make an exception for that.

Originally posted by Jamuhn
That's what censors are for Pheonix. I guess it never crossed your mind that people actually sleep during the night. PTS is for politics.

Ahem censors or not, you are not allowed to post profanity in threads. u2u me if you have further questions

Originally posted by garyo1954
The options Blanco was given seem important. Did GWB say give it to me and I'll declare marital law? There must have been some serious consequences to what they were offered.

I told you what happened. The federal government said to the governor 'you will' and when she didn't, they stood down and waited until it was impossible for the administration to ignore the problem they helped create.

What? Look everybody got caught in this, but as more details emerge it seems that while there is plenty of blame to go around, The Governor and the Mayor should be at the head of the list.

This was posted elsewhere and I hope that the intial poster forgives my reposting them but why don't all of you respond to these:

It is FACT that Red Cross was not allowed to enter NOLA for days by local, state and LNG authorities due to safety concerns.

It is FACT that only 50% of LNG was activated prior to Katrina strike - why?

It is a FACT that NOLA school buses were not used for evac - why?

It is a FACT that public transportation was not used for evac - why?

It is a FACT that mandatory evac was not called until 10:00am Sunday - why?

It is a FACT that Bush named the area a disaster area Friday before landfall - why?

It is a FACT that the NHC had to prompt the mayor to take action after sitting on his thumbs for 24hrs. why?

It is a FACT that armed thugs prevented rescue operations from happening - why?

It is a FACT that FEMA is an assistance agency subject to needs of local first responders, they are not law enforcement.

You guys are being awful quick to point the finger soley on the Federal agencies et al. while proping the mayor of NOLA up as some sort of Guliani in a time of crisis. The truth is like alot of of other people from top to bottom, he and the governor dropped the ball rather badly (along with alot of other people) and trying to place the blame solely at the feet of the feds is just plain wrong.

[edit on 9/5/05 by FredT]