NEWS: Troops begin "combat operations" in New Orleans.

The United States Military admitted today that it was conducting full combat operation in New Orleans to restore law and order.



I never thought I would see a major American city under total anarchy where lawlessness and crime ruled for nearly a week. It is sad to see that people rape, murder, and beat their fellow citizens because they had no water for 5 days. It is even sadder that it takes an enormous effort by the United States Military to have to bring law and order against their own citizens.

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[edit on 4-9-2005 by John bull 1]

[edit on 4-9-2005 by John bull 1]

We'' i've seen..
Troops begin combat operations in Kabul.
Troops begin combat operations in Fallujah.
but..
Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans I'd never thought i'd see. We live in unusual times.

Unusual?!?!

I would have said bizarre, twisted maybe.

This story was published a couple of days ago but I'm flabbergasted that such terminology would ever be used. This is a General !!

I'm stunned this should be an humanitarian effort not a war.

I know we've had war on drugs and war on terror but war on natural disasters or war on desperate people is just a step too far.

Can a man shown to be as incompetent as Bush has been remain in power for another 3 years ????

Do they understand the nature of the disaster at all ?

This source is for Army people:
From thier site:

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So this was possible comments directed towards Army personel. They are stupid comments to make, but alot of the upper echelon guys both in and out of the military speak a different language depending on the audience.

Kudos to the poster for digging up this nugget. It not a source I would have never thought of and I will add it to my list I usualy look at for stories

Correct me if I'm wrong. There are approx 500,000 people still left in New Orleans that still haven't been evacuated. By all logic these are the hungriest, and most dehydrated, not to mention probably most shell-shocked of all the victims as they are still there.

The army is going to use force on them?

I do not know if its that many, but I think this General was trying to hype up the troops. but you never know. No I think they will restore order, by force if necessary, but just thier presence should send the animals running for cover and allow rescue operations in areas that have been deemed unsafe. Its not many people causing problems, but enough to really screw things up.

Troops move in...Citizens turn against troops...Civil War of 2005 begins just like JT told us!!!


Or maybe not


Mic

Let's make sure we also show the troops' side of this story. Also in that article:

“I never thought that at a National Guardsman I would be shot at by other Americans,” said Spc. Philip Baccus of the 527th Engineer Battalion. “And I never thought I’d have to carry a rifle when on a hurricane relief mission. This is a disgrace.”

Spc. Cliff Ferguson of the 527th Engineer Battalion pointed out that he knows there are plenty of decent people in New Orleans, but he said it is hard to stay motivated considering the circumstances.

“This is making a lot of us think about not reenlisting.” Ferguson said. “You have to think about whether it is worth risking your neck for someone who will turn around and shoot at you. We didn’t come here to fight a war. We came here to help.”

Let's not forget that there are some bad people with automatic guns killing people inside New Orleans. They are the same bad people who raped a 14 year old girl, slit her throat and left her to die in a filthy public restroom in the Superdome. These people aren't shooting at helicopters and people because they want bottled water.

[edit on 9-4-2005 by Valhall]

You can add the raped body of a 7 year old boy found in a freezer as well. :shk:

Sitting with her daughter and other relatives, Trolkyn Joseph, 37, said men had wandered the cavernous convention center in recent nights raping and murdering children.

She said she found a dead 14-year old girl at 5 a.m. on Friday morning, four hours after the young girl went missing from her parents inside the convention center.

"She was raped for four hours until she was dead," Joseph said through tears. "Another child, a seven-year old boy was found raped and murdered in the kitchen freezer last night."

Several others interviewed by Reuters told similar stories of the abuse and murder of children, but they could not be independently verified.
news.yahoo.com...

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Prisoners

What exactly happened with incarcerated people as the huricane was bearing down? I haven't heard much about this..Only that some were being relocated...

Are there criminals roaming amongst the other victims?

Were prisoners released en mass, just because it was the easiest, and quickest thing to do?

There is an old chinese curse that goes..."May you live in interesting times." If living in interesting times is a curse, we are not cursed, we are damned.

Now just you watch, the military is gonna go in full tilt bozo and they are going to make a total mess of it, there will be blood on the streets, the blood of frightened desperate people. There is a good reason why it has been against the law for the military to become involved in domestic law inforcement in this country...because not only are they trained for war, not domestic law inforcement, but once the military becomes involved in domestic affairs, it becomes easier and easier to use them time and again and harder and harder to keep them out of politics and so start the slide into a military/police state. Can anyone say herr fuhuer Bush?

by grover
Can anyone say herr fuhuer Bush?

Some facts that you may not know:
Many members of the NOLA PD handed in their badges earlier in the week
Law and order was breaking down big time. In addition to the rapes and murder of those children mentioned above, there were gunfights in the streets, and doctors and nurses were being fired upon as they tried to evacuate patients from the hospitals.

How many more incidents do you want to see?
How would you have handled those rapist/murderers?

Can you spell Fuhrer?

Who do they think they are kidding?
Their fondest wish is that this country starts a civil war on account of this or the oil situation. THEN they can have the combat operations in all the states. I beleive that will be called Martial Law?

What? One rape (?) One shot? You'd be shooting too if you were hungry and insane, sitting around the dead bodies.. pffft!

[edit on 4-9-2005 by dgtempe]

dg,

With all due respect, that's so much paranoid B.S. The mayor of New Orleans asked for this. People within New Orleans asked for this. Get a grip.

I must catch up with my news today.

I have a tight grip Thank you.

Last i recalled they were being praised for how orderly the citizens were during this horrific devastation.
A few bad apples are everywhere. Hungry bad apples. Bad apples who lost their loved ones.

[edit on 4-9-2005 by dgtempe]

Originally posted by dgtempe
I must catch up with my news today.

I have a tight grip

Thank you.

Last i recalled they were being praised for how orderly the citizens were during this horrific devastation.
A few bad apples are everywhere. Hungry bad apples. Bad apples who lost their loved ones.

[edit on 4-9-2005 by dgtempe]

B.S. again! dg! The looting started before the damned wind stopped blowing. And it wasn't looting for food and water it was thievery and arson and murder and rape. You need to get out of CNN's AND FOX's backside and do some reading on what really happened in New Orleans in the past week. Nagin didn't ask for "full military presence" because he's a GI Joe fan. He needed it!


P.S. dg - find John bull's link to the blogger that has reported for the past week and read it. PLEASE. Also, I'm not upset with you. But I am upset if this starts getting twisted. Also, Honore who is in charge. He's a "John Wayne Dude", but he's a John Wayne dude in that right kind of way. Serious.
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I could be wrong but if the feds responded right away alot of this could have been avoided. I'm not saying completeyly but it seems alot of these people are more pissed off about the responce. Do not get me wrong, alot are in it just becouse they are criminals. But it really seems that alot of those people were left on thier own with no help and are fed up with this government. This probably would have happened in most cities, not just N.O.

The Fed's should have not waited 3 days to start sending aid. They should have not waited 5 days to start evacuation. We pay taxes for this NOT to happen. I also do not want to hear the excuse that the we didn't know the hurricane was going to be this bad. Read the below article, it might not come from a completely relieble source but the info about Cuba is true.

Last September, a Category 5 hurricane battered the small island of Cuba with 160-mile-per-hour winds. More than 1.5 million Cubans were evacuated to higher ground ahead of the storm. Although the hurricane destroyed 20,000 houses, no one died.

Full article here:
www.truthout.org...

I also want to point out that a country that we have had sanctions on for over 3 decades is offering us aid.

Another thing that got me about the army article besides the "Combat Operations" is the term the general used for the people left in N.O. Are you ready? HE called them "Insurgents" (See quoute below). The last time I checked we were calling the Iraquies(sp) that were apposed to the occupation Insurgents.

While some fight the insurgency in the city

The quote then goes on to say others contuniue rescue operations. Well they all should be doing rescue operations. The hell with the few bad apples. Or hey, maybe they were just left to fend for themselves for 5 days and relised that the government does not care for them. Maybe they relised that the government would rather play golf or go shopping on 5th ave to buy a thousand dollar pair of shoes than help them.

And before most of you get the wrong idea, I am not making excuses for the rapist and murderes, they should rot in hell. But I do understand where alot of those other people are comming from.

That is all I have to say for now.

a heated response to something the poorer u.s people would face even if there was no disaster.new orleans is full of this activity without the storm hitting.those who say they get what they have now is not really there fault.those people where unable to get out.not alot was done as seen in pictures of those in wheel chairs and older people lying dead in the streets and rivers.after the storm hit many just looked with wonder.instead of a real response we get speeches.mayor of orleans should be mad and he cares about his people.take a good look this is the type of response you will get in the future around the world.governments decided not to save money for disasters anymore.response times in the future will be just like this and worse.take a look now tommorrow a new storm will come or disaster and you will get the same outcome.saving lives must be our number 1 function in the future. for if we are to succeed from the earths ending rule of thumb we must coexist as one group....

America is disgracing human life and lowering the standards that have always been it's mainstay.

No nation would seek to destroy itself when the people are themselves the nation. To destroy the people you destroy the nation. And what good is being King of the Hill if nobody wants the hill?

I am appalled.

Combat operations in America will only lead to more deaths, more destruction.

What a waste. We have an American city under seige by Americans?
Unthinkable.

People being kept in the city where anarchy is the rule? People being kept in a city whre they have no food, no electricity, and water. And now we start military ops against the city? That would be enough to make any person paranoid.

Almost like My Lai in Vietnam, we can shoot fish in a barrel now. And if necessary, whatever the brainiacs term necessary, use a few smart bombs.

Yes, I am appalled.