No Plane hit pentagon... dont beleive them

Originally posted by Zaphod58
9. Just because it HADN'T happened, doesn't mean it CAN'T happen. Those other buildings also didn't have 767s slammed into them at high rates of speed.

I beleive he was talking about WTC7, not the north or south tower.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
I'm not really surprised, because there are hundreds of exercises conducted every year, for many different situations.

I'm pretty sure that these wargames are an annual event, meaning they occur once a year. Further, there was also an independent excercise on the same morning conducted by the NRO at its HQ which simulated a plane being flown into the building. So not only do you have the 1 in 365 chance of the wargames being on the morning of 9/11, but then you also have the amazing coincidence of the NRO excercise being on the morning of 9/11, and mirroring the reality of planes being flown into buildings.

If they're annual, then they're held about the same time of year every year like clockwork. One thing the military does is keep things the same for as long as possible. It would be easy to find out when they were scheduled to happen based on past history. Most exercises aren't classified. The RESULTS might be, but the exercise itself isn't classified. They don't exactly advertise when they're happening but if you know the right places to look you can find out about them pretty easily.

As far as the NRO, that wouldn't have anything to do with NORAD, or with a supposed stand down. NRO has no assests other than the sattelites and other recon assets they use.

Any evidence that those wargames take place on 9/11 every year? Or even the same week or etc.?

I'd also like to point out that we know very little about those wargames except some of their names. We have never even been officially told what the subjects of the games were, but only that they were held on the morning of 9/11. They were hardly as open as you suggest.

As far as the NRO, that wouldn't have anything to do with NORAD, or with a supposed stand down. NRO has no assests other than the sattelites and other recon assets they use.

Whether or not the NRO's excercise may have had any relation to the events of 9/11, this was still an amazing coincidence, no? Annual wargames apparently using live-fly hijacking scenarios, an NRO excercise involving a plane flying into their HQ, and actual attacks involving 'hijacked' aircraft being flown into buildings. I'm just saying this was quite an amazing coincidence. You don't have to pick it apart. It just must have been amazing when these things fell together like they did.

I had worked as a service technician in the towers fixing coffee equipment on all the floors, these are what stick in my head. The entire basement parking garage structural integrity, was all hollowed out, with wires sticking out of them, it was explained the these were the result of leftover damage from the first bombing in 96 mind you this was 2001. It is very feasible that explosives couldve been in there to make the building collapse the way it did. The security guard explained the entire wall was hollow all the way up and it ran along the elevator shaft, close to the outside structual walls of the tower.

2 Here's this video, which may answer a few questions, its flash, so make sure you can view it.
www.slackdaddy.org...

Kind of frightening if you ask me.
I have a few more but because theyre old links alot of them arent working. Ill try to find updates as I go on.

That's it exactly. We DON'T know what the scenario for the NORAD exercises, or even if they were "real" exercises involving actual aircraft, or if it was strictly an internal computer generated exercise involving just NORAD. I keep hearing people saying that the planes were in the wrong position to intercept, because they were involved in the exercise, but we don't know that for sure.

As far as publicizing the exercises, like I said, they don't come out and say "We're having an exercise on this date" where anyone can find it, but if you know the right places to look or the right people to talk to then you can find out about it. There are ways to find out exercise schedules if you know how to.

According to Wikipedia, Vigilant Guardian (one of the drills) is performed in conjunction with Global Guardian and the scenarios are varied each year.
Source: en.wikipedia.org...

Now, that page has a link to GlobalSecurity.org for both Vigilant Guardian and Global Guardian at the bottom.

The page for Vigilant Guardian doesn't give any specific information about scheduling:

Originally from www.globalsecurity.org...

The VIGILANT GUARDIAN (VG) is a VIGILANT OVERVIEW (VO) Command Post Exercise (CPX) conducted in conjunction with USCINCSTRAT-sponsored GLOBAL GUARDIAN and USCINCSPACE-sponsored APOLLO GUARDIAN exercises. The exercise involves all HQ NORAD levels of command and is designed to exercise most aspects of the NORAD mission. One VG is scheduled each year and the length will vary depending on the exercise scenario and objectives.

However, the page for Global Guardian contains the following:

Originally from www.globalsecurity.org...

Global Guardian '03
Scheduled for 17 Oct 2002 through 25 October 2002.

If Global Guardian and Vigilant Guardian are performed in conjunction with each other, as Wikipedia claims, one would assume that if one is performed on October 17, the other would be as well. But I would personally like more evidence before I conclude that.

CatHerder:

Cat >> Your opinion doesn't mean squat, what facts and evidence you bring to a discussion is what matters.

This is coming from a propaganda specialist armed with plenty of disinformation, but ZERO pictures of any 757-200 Jetliner anywhere near the Pentagon. Here are ten points continuing to stand against him on his own thread ( www.abovetopsecret.com... ). Perhaps one of his comrades will step up to the plate to take a few swings. Please make my day, so the bright light of suspicion will fall upon you also. Bring ‘evidence’ and NOT lip service . . .

1. With security cameras poised all around the Pentagon and those from neighboring businesses (Nexcom operated Citgo Station, local hotel, etc. 911research.wtc7.net... ), these five frames represent your evidence: www.worldnewsstand.net...

2. Disappearance of Electronic Evidence. www.worldnewsstand.net...

3. Small amount of debris removed, but NOT by crime scene investigators. www.worldnewsstand.net...

4. Crashing Jets Leave Evidence. www.worldnewsstand.net...

5. A 757 has about 60 tons of aluminum and much heavier alloys scattered throughout the plane. However, pictures of the scene reveal very little debris. www.worldnewsstand.net...

6. Cable spools remained intact along with plastic insulation around wires. 911research.wtc7.net... . Even the grass is undamaged just feet away from an explosion ‘you’ say caused 255 thousand pounds (almost 130 tons) of jetliner to disintegrate into thin air.

7. Where are the massive “Two 166.4kN (37,400lb) Rolls-Royce RB211-535C turbofans” described in your Opening Post here ( www.abovetopsecret.com... )? Do you have any ‘evidence’ of them impacting the Pentagon walls? No. Helios Airways flight ZU 522 crashed in Athens with such impact that the entire plane vaporized, ( www.telegraph.co.uk.../news/2005/08/15/ugreece.xml ). However, the massive engine is still intact.

8. The lawn shows no signs of gouging from any aircraft ( www.worldnewsstand.net... ).

9. Areas around the hole should have received much more damage. www.worldnewsstand.net... . ‘Your’ hypothesis says Flight 77 disintegrated and literally vaporized into thin air. That means a massive amount of energy must have been released to fuel the vaporization process. Your problem is that the environment outside the Pentagon does not show that kind of explosion ever took place. The port and starboard side engines (38,000 pounds each) should have poked holes on either side of the tiny hole created by the actual guided missile attack.

10. The damage pattern to the Pentagon is nothing near the profile of a 757. www.worldnewsstand.net...

The ‘evidence’ says the Pentagon was struck by a missile that created a 16’ x 20’ impact crater. The Thread Starter’s original hypothesis is 100 percent accurate. The fact is that NOBODY provided this evidence would conclude that the Pentagon was struck by any 757-200 Jetliner, unless he or she had an ulterior motive. Why is CatHerder so intent on selling the Government’s cover story riddled with so many holes? What is ‘the truth’ of this matter that CatHerder is trying so desperately to hide?

The real terrorists are still at large and those propagating their disinformation campaigns are among us! Let’s see if CatHerder or his compatriots have any reply to this evidence. What kind of self-inflicted wound are they planning next??

One of the good guys,

Terral