Actor 'James Woods' - Words of Wisdom

Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
Remember Ollie North? Remember what he was famous for? Remember how it all started?

- What you mean training, funding and getting bin Laden going in the first place?
Re-arming Iran?
Encouraging the fundamentalists of Islam into becoming an armed zealot movement?

Ronnie, Maggie and Mitterand all said "We will not negotiate with terrorists." Ronnie and Frankie then did just that.

- Actually you'll find that Maggie was using every back-door route possible and negotiating with 'terrorists' too (the IRA).

All these instances of supposedly 'no talking to terrorists' are, ultimately, rubbish.
A lie for the gullible who 'need' a simplistic propaganda 'line' to cling to.

Originally posted by Bob88, on page one
James Woods, one of my favorite actors, was on a plane a week or so before 9/11.
(my details are sketchy on this)
He noticed some guys on the plane that he said looked out of place. Something to the effect that they looked 'in character.' These guys were acting odd he thought. He spoke to the flight attendant and captain about these 3 guys ( think he said 3) and not much else happened.

Turns out those guys were the terrorists on board the jets that crashed into the WTC. They figured it was a 'practice' run these terrorists were conducting.

Actually, I heard this in an interview on a local radio station where he related this story. He also said the flight attendants thought the passengers were acting kinda weird and that he thought one was Atta.

And, for whatever reason, that same radio station was discussing that interview with James Woods again today.
I believe him. I also believe it when he said he questioned it and was basically told not to worry about it. Makes you wonder how many other people had similar experiences and were told not to worry.

Originally posted by sminkeypinkey

Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
Remember Ollie North? Remember what he was famous for? Remember how it all started?

- What you mean training, funding and getting bin Laden going in the first place?
Re-arming Iran?
Encouraging the fundamentalists of Islam into becoming an armed zealot movement?

I thought it was for saying "I have no clear memory of that episode" so many times it became the political mantra of the Republican Party!

No, Ollie North was famous for something that began in Beirut, but which has become associated with Iran, which everybody has heard of, and Contras, which I think has something to do with the rotors on Kamov helicopters, and an affair, which surprises me, 'cause I thought Clinton didn't get into the White House until later!!!

Ronnie, Maggie and Mitterand all said "We will not negotiate with terrorists." Ronnie and Frankie then did just that.

- Actually you'll find that Maggie was using every back-door route possible and negotiating with 'terrorists' too (the IRA).

Francois Mitterand was negotiating with the IRA?

All these instances of supposedly 'no talking to terrorists' are, ultimately, rubbish.
A lie for the gullible who 'need' a simplistic propaganda 'line' to cling to.

Really. Maggie was out there negotiating for Terry Waite's release, was she? Iraq has shown that while you keep kidnappers talking, you do not negotiate with them.

Remember that little U2U about hijacking threads, I think we're reading the map for that territory right now!

I know this has been proven wrong, but maybe you were thinking of just...

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Peace

Just to swerve it a little back on topic, I found this J. Woods gem on IMDB:

Woods Supports Giuliani
28 August 2002 (WENN)
Patriotic American star James Woods is looking out for Rudy Giuliani - by making sure he's shown in the best possible light. The actor, due to play Giuliani in a cable TV movie, has demanded a rewrite of his script because it didn't make the ex-New York mayor look heroic enough. An insider says, "Woods wanted the movie to be more red, white and blue."

The source explains that Woods and USA Networks execs thought the script dwelled too much on Giuliani's tortured relationships with his father and his ex-wife Donna Hanover. The original script was by Stanley Weiser, who wrote Wall Street. An ally of Weiser's says, "Stanley wrote the story the USA Network people said they wanted. But the network caved in to the whim of a right-wing actor."

Now we know he is nuts btw - who really believes that IQ stuff anyway? It is reminiscent of the whole Sharon Stone IQ of 180 and a mensa member to boot. It proved to be just press.

Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
Francois Mitterand was negotiating with the IRA?

- No, Maggie refers to Margaret Thatcher (as I'm sure you know) who was negotiating with the IRA during her time in gov, just like her tory successor John Major did too.

Really.
Maggie was out there negotiating for Terry Waite's release, was she? Iraq has shown that while you keep kidnappers talking, you do not negotiate with them.

- Like I said different 'terrorist' grouping but yes she and her gov negotiated with the IRA a 'terrorist' group.
I am sure I have read of British gov negotiations (or proxy negotiations) over Terry Waite for that matter - and that his involvement (however slight) with North did nothing to help his situation either.

Remember that little U2U about hijacking threads, I think we're reading the map for that territory right now!

- I don't think I'm hijacking anything.
You're the one who made the point(s), surely you lay yourself open to further comment when you do?

Of course I do, but keep your replies on topic instead of bringing up scarlet fishes.

The topic in my post, used to illustrate the possible correctness of Woods' strategy, was the kidnapping of westerners in Beirut, not a bunch of Fenians (or whatever handy national/ethnic insult you want to throw around) and how one group dealt successfully with the kidnapping of their nationals and how two out of three major western leaders privately deserted their public stance, leaving Maggie (who did not negotiate with Palestinian et al kidnappers/terrorists) looking stupid.

The French were even stupid enough to have Chirac and Mitterand holding competing negotiations so they could be the hero of the hour and get more votes in the upcoming presidential election.

Ronnie just created Iran Contra.

Of course I know Maggie refers to Baroness Thatcher, but I wasn't talking about the IRA, if Mitterand was neither negotiating with them not had any involvement with them then they have no bearing on the matter.

[edit on 22-8-2005 by HowlrunnerIV]

"this is just a personal opinion but I happen to think right now that this is a war that we�re now engaged in with the single most ruthless and cunning enemy that we have ever encountered"...

somehow worse than the nazis?

The Nazis were brave enough to wear their grey coats and actually meet us in battle. (not to be construed as pro nazi in any way).

I understand what you are trying to say, but your inference that all common German soldiers were Nazis is about as accurate as claiming that all common US soldiers are fascist neocons.

Originally posted by white4life420
"this is just a personal opinion but I happen to think right now that this is a war that we�re now engaged in with the single most ruthless and cunning enemy that we have ever encountered"...

somehow worse than the nazis?

True at least the Nazi's were a uniform and adhered to some form of code, in the West anyway.

You mean the German soldiers of WWII. There is a bit of difference between them and the Nazis. One doesn't necessarily have to be the other.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
You mean the German soldiers of WWII. There is a bit of difference between them and the Nazis. One doesn't necessarily have to be the other.

Hah very true.

I still havent figured out why some ppl still think WW2 German soldier = NAZI..
NAZI's were a political party, Calling German soldiers in general NAZI's, Is like calling every current American soldier a Republican.

^^^^ I agree, I have read mnay accounts of the German soldier, I have the upmost respect for them. Anyone read, " The Forgotten Soldier ", by Guy Sajer ?