How to define purpose!

The nature of Fate is to be ultimate, you can't not obey fate, if fate incarnate came to you and said bang your head on the table, then you said no, it was your fate to not bang your head on the table...see...it is impossible to deny fate. And with fate, comes purpose, the ulitimate truth is purpose is undeniable, fate is inescapable, reason is a creation of humanitys fear. So back to my original question, "How to define purpose?" well basically purpose is what yo usee every second, every waking moment, when you go to work (Or school) when you go to church (or other holy place) when you look in the mirror and scrutinise your every fibre of being trying to do what everyone else is doing. Trying to find your purpose.
i KNow mine. i discovered it when i was..oh.....9 years of age, my purpose is to reach the universal archives (akashic records) and becoem one with the universe. your purpose may not be so grand, it may be grander!

I hope you're not disappointed-but your destination is the same as mine--and everybody else.

I think it's cool.

Purpose is what you say it is.

Nothing more.

Agree with spamandham.I think life has no greater purpose that that which we give it.



[edit on 2/9/2005 by Ras Dedan]

Predestination Is what I see in the word !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Predestination,where exactly do you see evidence of this quite frankly ludicrous theological idea ?
Fairly twisted mentality to think God preordained all the suffering in the world,so man is totally without blame for all the horrors he commits?
Slavery,war,famine,rapists,child molesters and on and on all part of God's plan,this gives people free reign to commit any atrocities because God willed it.There is absolutely no logic behind this thinking.

Originally posted by Ras Dedan
Predestination,where exactly do you see evidence of this quite frankly ludicrous theological idea ?
Fairly twisted mentality to think God preordained all the suffering in the world,so man is totally without blame for all the horrors he commits?
Slavery,war,famine,rapists,child molesters and on and on all part of God's plan,this gives people free reign to commit any atrocities because God willed it.There is absolutely no logic behind this thinking.

Sorry, but not to pull the floor from under you,,,, But there are several places in the Bible that talks about being Predsetintion..

Romans: 8 :28-29
And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, Who have Been Called according to his Purpose
29: For those God For knew , He also Predestined to be comformed to the likeness of his Son, that they might be firstborn among many brothers. 30: And those he predestined he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorfied...

and also in Eph 1:5 and 1:11


The big thing about this that WE DO NOT KNOW OF WHO IS CHOSEN AND WHO'S NOT

Purpose is the utilization of Free Will.

Purpose is a label in which the confines of an individual's conscious existance are defined by us consciously to explain to ourselves the entirety of it all.

Purpose is justification for exceeding the expectations of humanity.


Purpose without a definition is saying purpose has no purpose.

[edit on 4-9-2005 by Esoteric Teacher]

Originally posted by jfdarby

Sorry, but not to pull the floor from under you,,,, But there are several places in the Bible that talks about being Predsetintion..

Romans: 8 :28-29
And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, Who have Been Called according to his Purpose
29: For those God For knew , He also Predestined to be comformed to the likeness of his Son, that they might be firstborn among many brothers. 30: And those he predestined he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorfied...

and also in Eph 1:5 and 1:11


The big thing about this that WE DO NOT KNOW OF WHO IS CHOSEN AND WHO'S NOT

So you adopt an idea with such huge implications on the basis of a couple of lines from Paul,interesting thought process.
What's the point of the ten commandments then? Why would God give laws to live by if our actions were predestined ?
Why punish Adam and Eve if God made Eve eat the fruit ? I could go on and on with these arguments but there's no point.To anyone with a rational mind predsetintion is an obvious fallacy which is also contradicted in the bible countless times.
Contradiction in the bible,surprise surprise


[edit on 5/9/2005 by Ras Dedan]

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
Purpose without a definition is saying purpose has no purpose.

I would say,purpose without definition is to live without purpose,you don't have to look too hard to see people living without purpose.
Each of us defines our own purpose,my purpose and your purpose may vary vastly but each is equally valid to us as individuals.There are those though who clearly drift through life aimlessly without ever discovering a purpose.

Originally posted by Ras Dedan

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
Purpose without a definition is saying purpose has no purpose.

I would say,purpose without definition is to live without purpose,you don't have to look too hard to see people living without purpose.
Each of us defines our own purpose,my purpose and your purpose may vary vastly but each is equally valid to us as individuals.There are those though who clearly drift through life aimlessly without ever discovering a purpose.

I believe those without purpose still have purpose of what is most self serving.

Some people have a purpose with regards to something greater than themselves.

Some people have a purpose with regards to what is most self serving, because they operate their daily time to fullfilling the sub-routine cellular prime directive of SELF PRESERVE, which is to say they are the manifestation of self before they serve.

Some people have neither purpose of self, or purpose of serving. These are the aimless ones I believe you speak of. Because if they are not manifesting in their actions and behaviors a purpose for themselves or a purpose for others, then I think they are a purpose undefined themselves.

I do see your point, well stated.

purpose is the purpose of purpose-there is no purpose in life except purpose.

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
Some people have neither purpose of self, or purpose of serving. These are the aimless ones I believe you speak of. Because if they are not manifesting in their actions and behaviors a purpose for themselves or a purpose for others, then I think they are a purpose undefined themselves.

I do see your point, well stated.

That is what I was meaning,they follow no purpose or aims other than the mere sustaining of life.Greedy,selfish people still follow a purpose,that of self gratification and of material gain.

sounds like the teachings of karl marx!

Originally posted by blue_sky_9
sounds like the teachings of karl marx!

How so?

I've never read Karl Marx and despite the fact I try to read widely from the little I do know of him I've no interest in reading anything he wrote.
Since you're familiar with him perhaps you could enlighten me on this aspect.

[edit on 7/9/2005 by Ras Dedan]

iam not an expert, but i know the jist.

communism is based on marixism. marxism is basically saying that the capitalist is greedy and stealing from the worker. it also says that the idealism is wrong because it is not true. (according to marxism.) marxists are the workers, who want a revolution to overthrow the capitalist.

so there you go. the thing i cannot work out is-why is marxism evil? if somebody does a thead on this, u2u me me the address.

ok I see what your saying but it's not really what I meant.I'm not saying everyone who is a capitalist or has great wealth is greedy and self absorbed,although there are logicaly many who are.Greed is not about what you've got ,its what you do with what you've got and how you deal with others.
I was just trying to make the point that peoples purpose or aims in life vary widely from each other,life is what you make it.
Marxism is viewed as "evil" from the perspective of a capitalist society because it subdues the will and benefits of the individual for the greater good of the state,just as you pointed out from the Marxist perspective capitalism is "evil" as it hands wealth to the few out of the exploitation of the masses.

I'm just posting to show my surprise that someone else has "Akashic" in their name.

[edit on 11/9/2005 by AkashicWanderer]

Ras Dedan,,,


Look at Gods Predestination as if/ or like that you got a new DVD and you are the only one to get that DVD and lets say you watch that DVD a 100 or 150 times and yet You are the only one to see it...

OK now you set down and write a book on the movie that's on the DVD and you write it exactly as the DVD showes it and you pass the book out over the land and every ones reads it and then they ask you what does it meant...

Then you again tell then the story that you wrote from the DVD and you tell them that You seen the DVD and that exactly as it happen,,,,, You are telling what You know for sure and telling how everything ended as you wrote it...
Now like say that the movie was about the people that you gave the book too and it showes what the future of theses people are going to have and you already know it, as it happens BUT the people has no ideal what going to happen in there life..

Now let say you are god and you know everything about the DVD< Right... now, think that you are trying to tell the people whats in there future !!!!!!

Would that being Predication of those people or would it only what you know what is going to happen, Because you are the one that seen the movie,,..

He knows how everything is going to END because he has read the book and we were not able to read the same book as he did .....

Hope this helps some about God's Predestination,,, He already knows how it all ends already !!!!!!!!!!!!!



[edit on 06/29/2005 by jfdarby]