Just picked up a new H&K

Originally posted by devilwasp
Umm just asking, what "privilage" (sic) are we denied BTW...

1. The privilege of owning rimfire and centerfire pistols for the purposes of self defence.

2. The privilege of owning rimfire and centerfire pistols for the purposes of competition target shooting.

3. The privilege of carrying weapons on or about your person for the purposes of self defence.

I take no pleasure in this situation, my parents still have the misfortune to live there. I have toyed with the idea of taking them a couple of cans of Fox Labs OC spray when I next visit, but I fear that the penalties for being caught with such a deadly weapon would be severe.

My old home town was Northwich in Cheshire and I was last there about 2 months ago. Shortly prior to my arrival 2 guys were kicked into a coma while walking back from the pub one night, try that here in Phoenix and see what happens.

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[edit on 6-9-2005 by Winchester Ranger T]

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[edit on 6-9-2005 by Winchester Ranger T]

Originally posted by Winchester Ranger T
1. The privilege of owning rimfire and centerfire pistols for the purposes of self defence.

2. The privilege of owning rimfire and centerfire pistols for the purposes of competition target shooting.

These two I am not...in the know about.

3. The privilege of carrying weapons on or about your person for the purposes of self defence.

Technically anthing is a weapon if you swing it right.
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Carrying weapon

(1) A person who, without reasonable excuse, has a weapon in a public place or on school premises or medical premises is guilty of the offence of carrying a weapon.


I mean you can carry a gun and if you get attacked you can use it for self defence.

I take no pleasure in this situation, my parents still have the misfortune to live there. I have toyed with the idea of taking them a couple of cans of Fox Labs OC spray when I next visit, but I fear that the penalties for being caught with such a deadly weapon would be severe.

I dont think its an offense to own a spray.

My old home town was Northwich in Cheshire and I was last there about 2 months ago. Shortly prior to my arrival 2 guys were kicked into a coma while walking back from the pub one night, try that here in Phoenix and see what happens.

Yeah 2 guys got kicked into a coma, that happens in every country and almost every town.
You can use weapons to defend yourself.


[edit on 26/02/2005 by devilwasp]

Pepper spray and Mace are regarded as offensive weapons and are in the same category as firearms in the UK.

This guy got six months in nick for having some (and some coke it has to be said)

new.edp24.co.uk...

Under UK law you will be prosecuted if you deliberately carry ANYTHING with the express intent of using it as a weapon.

No OC Spray, no Mace, no knives, no Kubatons, no Tazer - nothing, it's all illegal, i.e. you're defenceless.

Like I said, I'm not gloating, I think it's disgusting, but with the number of Yobs roaming the streets in the UK, I have no doubt that if Pepper Spray for example, were widely available, they would be spraying each other all the time. Just look at what the CHAVs (Council House And Violent) did with laser pointers, those things then had to be banned from sale

Originally posted by Winchester Ranger T
Pepper spray and Mace are regarded as offensive weapons and are in the same category as firearms in the UK.

This guy got six months in nick for having some (and some coke it has to be said)

new.edp24.co.uk...

Under UK law you will be prosecuted if you deliberately carry ANYTHING with the express intent of using it as a weapon.

Thats hardly true. He had an unlicensed weapon, and he bought it illegally.

No OC Spray, no Mace, no knives, no Kubatons, no Tazer - nothing, it's all illegal, i.e. you're defenceless.

No, if you have a weapon without reasonable use then you are not allowed it.
If I'm a bouncer and I carry an asp that would be reasonable.
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Like I said, I'm not gloating, I think it's disgusting, but with the number of Yobs roaming the streets in the UK, I have no doubt that if Pepper Spray for example, were widely available, they would be spraying each other all the time. Just look at what the CHAVs (Council House And Violent) did with laser pointers, those things then had to be banned from sale

Read the law, not the hearsay.

Mace is illegal here as well. While we do have provisions for carry...

2. For the purpose of section 20 of the Act, the circumstances in which an individual needs restricted firearms or prohibited handguns to protect the life of that individual or of other individuals are where

(a) the life of that individual, or other individuals, is in imminent danger from one or more other individuals;

(b) police protection is not sufficient in the circumstances; and

(c) the possession of a restricted firearm or prohibited handgun can reasonably be justified for protecting the individual or other individuals from death or grievous bodily harm.

Lawful Profession or Occupation

3. For the purpose of section 20 of the Act, the circumstances in which an individual needs restricted firearms or prohibited handguns for use in connection with his or her lawful profession or occupation are where

(a) the individual's principal activity is the handling, transportation or protection of cash, negotiable instruments or other goods of substantial value, and firearms are required for the purpose of protecting his or her life or the lives of other individuals in the course of that handling, transportation or protection activity;

(b) the individual is working in a remote wilderness area and firearms are required for the protection of the life of that individual or of other individuals from wild animals; or

(c) the individual is engaged in the occupation of trapping in a province and is licensed or authorized and trained as required by the laws of the province.

PART 2
AUTHORIZATIONS TO CARRY

Issuance

4. A chief firearms officer shall not issue to an individual an authorization to carry a particular restricted firearm or prohibited handgun that is required in the circumstances described in section 2 or for the purpose described in paragraph 3(a) unless

(a) the individual has successfully completed training in firearms proficiency and the use of force; and

(b) the chief firearms officer determines that the particular restricted firearm or prohibited handgun is appropriate in those circumstances or for that purpose.

Conditions

6. A chief firearms officer who issues an authorization to carry shall attach to it the following conditions:

(a) if the individual is authorized to possess more than one restricted firearm or prohibited handgun for the purposes of section 20 of the Act, that the individual carry not more than one of them at a time;

(b) that the restricted firearm or prohibited handgun be carried in a holster;

(c) if the individual needs it for the purpose of a lawful profession or occupation, that the individual notify the chief firearm officer if the individual ceases to be employed or engaged in the lawful profession or occupation or changes employers; and

(d) if the individual requires it for the purpose described in paragraph 3(a), that the individual wear a uniform.

Hoops! ANd more hoops!

DE

Originally posted by devilwaspThats hardly true. He had an unlicensed weapon, and he bought it illegally.

Try reading it again, he had an ILLEGAL weapon, or are you seriously trying to tell me that the UK police issue permits for pepper spray, and he didn't buy it illegally, he illegally IMPORTED IT.

No, if you have a weapon without reasonable use then you are not allowed it.
If I'm a bouncer and I carry an asp that would be reasonable.

Wrong again, the bouncer in your scenario would be arrested if found in possession of an ASP - period.

Read the law, not the hearsay.

I did, I was a Customs Officer in the UK, if you can quote ANY laws that support any of the garbage you post then let's see it.

[edit on 6-9-2005 by Winchester Ranger T]

Are they afraid EU citizens will attempt a coup on the government or something? what the hell is with those laws?

I smell a conspiracy...they should put more effort into getting rid of illegal weapons, not banning legal weapons...ugh...

Originally posted by Winchester Ranger T
Try reading it again, he had an ILLEGAL weapon, or are you seriously trying to tell me that the UK police issue permits for pepper spray, and he didn't buy it illegally, he illegally IMPORTED IT.
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Yeah he had no permit for it , ILLEGAL.
He imported it illegally, ILLEGAL.
The police do hand out permits for those things.
My mate HAS a battle axe, a claymore and 2 airrifles with permits , your trying to tell me he cant have a spray?

Wrong again, the bouncer in your scenario would be arrested if found in possession of an ASP - period.

Nope, if your a bouncer and you require it you can have it.
Read the law,

Part 6

Offences against public order, safety and security

") A person who, without reasonable excuse, has a weapon in a public place or on school premises or medical premises is guilty of the offence of carrying a weapon"
www.bailii.org...

I did, I was a Customs Officer in the UK, if you can quote ANY laws that support any of the garbage you post then let's see it.
[edit on 6-9-2005 by Winchester Ranger T]

If you where one then why are you not up to date with the laws?

Originally posted by devilwasp
The police do hand out permits for those things.
My mate HAS a battle axe, a claymore and 2 airrifles with permits , your trying to tell me he cant have a spray?

Your logic is faulty, in that you presume that legislation -especially hippy weapons legislation- has to make sense. I've got the training to carry a firearm on the job. I own a katana, combat knife, and snap baton.

Guess what?

It's still illegal for me to own a can of MACE.

DE

Originally posted by DeusEx
Your logic is faulty, in that you presume that legislation -especially hippy weapons legislation- has to make sense. I've got the training to carry a firearm on the job. I own a katana, combat knife, and snap baton.

Not really.

Guess what?

It's still illegal for me to own a can of MACE.

DE

Difrent country, difrent rules.

You can lead a horse to water etc etc

That clause that you quoted relates to a workman (for example) who has to do some repairs that require him to carry a Stanley Knife (box cutter in America) in his pocket etc, if you think it means that a bouncer can carry a shotgun you're seriously smoking Crack.

But hey, you're the one who has to live there, so if you really believe that you can carry a weapon in the UK under certain circumstances then good luck to you, I'll bake you a cake with a file in it

Originally posted by Winchester Ranger T
You can lead a horse to water etc etc

That clause that you quoted relates to a workman (for example) who has to do some repairs that require him to carry a Stanley Knife (box cutter in America) in his pocket etc, if you think it means that a bouncer can carry a shotgun you're seriously smoking Crack.

Ah but thats your interpretation of the law.
I dont think a bouncer should cary a shotgun, if he worked in baghdad then yeah but not in the UK.
Not yet anyway.
If a guy works in an area where a there are a large number of assualts and muggins then wouldnt you justify that the person be able to carry an ASP?

But hey, you're the one who has to live there, so if you really believe that you can carry a weapon in the UK under certain circumstances then good luck to you, I'll bake you a cake with a file in it

Yeah I do live here, you dont.
I do believe I can carry a weapon in the UK under certain circumstances, I have done so.
Do you catagorise a 7.62 mm rifle as a weapon?

Ok , the law – not what certain people think it says or should say

The knifes act :

www.hmso.gov.uk...

a specific provision of the offensive weapons act covering baton weapons

www.opsi.gov.uk...://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2004/20041271.htm#muscat_ highlighter_first_match

the full text of the act [ it’s a lot of reading ]

www.opsi.gov.uk...://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1996/1996026.htm#musc at_highlighter_first_match

sorry devilwasp – you are wrong

Uhh...

Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (3) above, it shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) or (2) above to prove that he had the article or weapon in question with him-

(a) for use at work,
(b) for educational purposes,
(c) for religious reasons, or
(d) as part of any national costume.

Ok..

"(k) an offence under section 1(1) of the Prevention of Crime Act 1953 (prohibition of the carrying of offensive weapons without lawful authority or reasonable excuse

Which part am I wrong about?



Heres a better one..

Section 1 of the Prevention of Crime Act 1953 prohibits the possession in any public place of an offensive weapon without lawful authority or excuse

www.cps.gov.uk...



[edit on 26/02/2005 by devilwasp]

Winch, you certainly can not make this horse drink. In which case, let us resume conversation about the USP. Do you know if you can buy the stainless steel slide seperate?

DE

Thanks for the comment Dues, you want me to leave just ask.

Originally posted by Winchester Ranger T
A USP Compact stainless in 9mm with factory hi-caps.

Compared to my other pistols it's clearly of superior quality - except maybe my Beretta.

Anyone else have experience of Heckler & Koch weapons, they strike me as the best out there along with SiG Sauer.

Ive played with the USP 45, i found the location of the mag release to be difficult to reach. Required me to break my grip to operate it with either thumb or index finger. Besides that it was a good gun. Still prefer the SIG series.

I hear what you're saying, the "press down" ambi release on USPs does indeed take some getting used to, but with a minimum of practice I found it easy to bring my index finger back off the trigger after going to slide lock, and then just pressing down to drop the mag. Try to use your thumb or a middle finger and it doesn't work.

I personally have more trouble taking the safety off a 1911 without changing my grip, it's the main reason I'm not a fan of them.

As for the USP45, the SEALs seem to manage just fine