HMS Invincible sunk in 1982

This form june 4 1981, the Ark Royal:





[edit on 4-9-2005 by TheIrishDuck]

"Lusty" went to the South Atlantic to meet with Hermes in the photos i showed you before (pages 3 or 4 i think)

Illustrious went to the South Atlantic to releave the Invincible which had been on station since the end of the war until the RAF airfield could be repaired. She was commissioned en-route, rather hurriedly and returned to the UK once the airfield was finsished. She was formally commissioned in March 1983.

How could she releave the Invincible, if the Invincible had been sunk?

[edit on 4/9/05 by stumason]

Originally posted by TheIrishDuck

This from june 1982.

Illustrious r07 and Ark Royal r07 at the right.

We are going away from the ark royal who as you can see is still being built.

"Lusty" went to the South Atlantic to meet with Hermes in the photos i showed you before (pages 3 or 4 i think)

Yeah she went there to meet them and act as a base for the harriers until the local RAF base could be rebuilt..

At that moment the R07 is used only for transport.

How can it be used for transport if its still being buily and not even commisioned?
That still doesnt answer the question of WTH she's transporting or WHY?

Originally posted by stumason

"Lusty" went to the South Atlantic to meet with Hermes in the photos i showed you before (pages 3 or 4 i think)

Illustrious went to the South Atlantic to releave the Invincible which had been on station since the end of the war until the RAF airfield could be repaired. She was commissioned en-route, rather hurriedly and returned to the UK once the airfield was finsished. She was formally commissioned in March 1983.

How could she releave the Invincible, if the Invincible had been sunk?

[edit on 4/9/05 by stumason]

Give me photos i proof all i said with photos you only talk and talk.

The airfield was not damaged what repair?

Originally posted by stumason

"Lusty" went to the South Atlantic to meet with Hermes in the photos i showed you before (pages 3 or 4 i think)

Illustrious went to the South Atlantic to releave the Invincible which had been on station since the end of the war until the RAF airfield could be repaired. She was commissioned en-route, rather hurriedly and returned to the UK once the airfield was finsished. She was formally commissioned in March 1983.

How could she releave the Invincible, if the Invincible had been sunk?

[edit on 4/9/05 by stumason]

Went to Malvinas to take photos with Hermes and transfered the tripulation of the Invincible to Illustrious and then went to Portsmouth on september.

Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by TheIrishDuck

This from june 1982.

Illustrious r07 and Ark Royal r07 at the right.

We are going away from the ark royal who as you can see is still being built.

"Lusty" went to the South Atlantic to meet with Hermes in the photos i showed you before (pages 3 or 4 i think)

Yeah she went there to meet them and act as a base for the harriers until the local RAF base could be rebuilt..

At that moment the R07 is used only for transport.

How can it be used for transport if its still being buily and not even commisioned?
That still doesnt answer the question of WTH she's transporting or WHY?

in june 4 is comisioned i show you in the first post of this page.
On june was ready.

Originally posted by TheIrishDuck

Originally posted by stumason

"Lusty" went to the South Atlantic to meet with Hermes in the photos i showed you before (pages 3 or 4 i think)

Illustrious went to the South Atlantic to releave the Invincible which had been on station since the end of the war until the RAF airfield could be repaired. She was commissioned en-route, rather hurriedly and returned to the UK once the airfield was finsished. She was formally commissioned in March 1983.

How could she releave the Invincible, if the Invincible had been sunk?

[edit on 4/9/05 by stumason]

Give me photos i proof all i said with photos you only talk and talk.

The airfield was not damaged what repair?

Good god......this guy is unbelievable...

She was was laid down at Swan Hunter on the Tyne in 1976, and launched in 1981. As the ship neared the end of its fitting out period, the Falklands War broke out. As a consequence, work on Illustrious was greatly speeded up. The war was won before Illustrious could be finished, but she did perform a useful service in the aftermath. Until the RAF airfield on the Falklands was repaired, an aircraft carrier was required on station to protect the area from possible Argentine attack. HMS Invincible had been on station for many months when Illustrious steamed to its relief. However, Illustrious was needed so quickly that the ship was actually commissioned underway. After the RAF airfield was repaired, Illustrious returned to the UK for a more proper shakedown cruise and workup period, with a formal commissioning on 20 March 1983.
Source

And then there is this:

On May 1st, operations against the Falklands opened with the Black Buck 1 attack by RAF Avro Vulcan V bombers on the airfield at Port Stanley. The Vulcan had originally been designed for medium-range stand-off nuclear missions in Europe and did not have the range to fly to the Falklands, requiring several in-flight refuelling missions. The RAF's tanker planes were mostly converted Victors with similar range, so they too had to be refuelled in the air. Thus, a total force of 11 tankers were required for only two Vulcans, a massive logistical effort. In the end only a single bomb hit the runway at Port Stanley, but the Argentine Air Force (FAA) realized that the British were likewise capable of hitting targets on the mainland, and immediately recalled all jet fighters in order to protect against this possibility. The attack was therefore a strategic success, hampering Argentine efforts at close air support, reducing the effective loiter time of incoming Argentine aircraft, and compelling them to overfly British forces in any attempt to attack the islands.

Nonetheless, whilst Argentine fighters were no longer stationed at the airfield, it was never down and remained strongly used by continuous Hercules C-130 flights until the end of the conflict. The transports continued to fly into Port Stanley by night, bringing in supplies, weapons, vehicles, and fuel into the Falklands and airlifting out the wounded. Argentine air transports continued to slip past the British through the last night of the war.

Only minutes after Black Buck, nine Sea Harriers from the Hermes followed up the raid by dropping cluster bombs on Port Stanley and the smaller grass airstrip at Goose Green. Both missions scored aircraft kills on the ground, as well as causing some damage to the airfield infrastructure. The aircraft had taken off from the deck of HMS Invincible, and although attached BBC reporter Brian Hanrahan was forbidden to divulge the number of planes involved, he came up with the memorable phrase "I counted them all out and I counted them all back".

Source

Also, you have ignored my pointing out to you that Illustrious never had phalanx....but you claim it did....any answer?

Originally posted by TheIrishDuck
Give me photos i proof all i said with photos you only talk and talk.

The airfield was not damaged what repair?

Not photos but documentation..
[qoute]
Only minutes after Black Buck, nine Sea Harriers from the Hermes followed up the raid by dropping cluster bombs on Port Stanley and the smaller grass airstrip at Goose Green. Both missions scored aircraft kills on the ground, as well as causing some damage to the airfield infrastructure. The aircraft had taken off from the deck of HMS Invincible, and although attached BBC reporter Brian Hanrahan was forbidden to divulge the number of planes involved, he came up with the memorable phrase "I counted them all out and I counted them all back".
Oh found one image of black buck damage..

Originally posted by TheIrishDuck
in june 4 is comisioned i show you in the first post of this page.
On june was ready.

How can she be ready if she is being built?
When was the picture taken? I mean its an image shack and tells no date.

Originally posted by stumason

Originally posted by TheIrishDuck

Originally posted by stumason

"Lusty" went to the South Atlantic to meet with Hermes in the photos i showed you before (pages 3 or 4 i think)

Illustrious went to the South Atlantic to releave the Invincible which had been on station since the end of the war until the RAF airfield could be repaired. She was commissioned en-route, rather hurriedly and returned to the UK once the airfield was finsished. She was formally commissioned in March 1983.

How could she releave the Invincible, if the Invincible had been sunk?

[edit on 4/9/05 by stumason]

Give me photos i proof all i said with photos you only talk and talk.

The airfield was not damaged what repair?

Good god......this guy is unbelievable...

She was was laid down at Swan Hunter on the Tyne in 1976, and launched in 1981. As the ship neared the end of its fitting out period, the Falklands War broke out. As a consequence, work on Illustrious was greatly speeded up. The war was won before Illustrious could be finished, but she did perform a useful service in the aftermath. Until the RAF airfield on the Falklands was repaired, an aircraft carrier was required on station to protect the area from possible Argentine attack. HMS Invincible had been on station for many months when Illustrious steamed to its relief. However, Illustrious was needed so quickly that the ship was actually commissioned underway. After the RAF airfield was repaired, Illustrious returned to the UK for a more proper shakedown cruise and workup period, with a formal commissioning on 20 March 1983.
Source

And then there is this:

On May 1st, operations against the Falklands opened with the Black Buck 1 attack by RAF Avro Vulcan V bombers on the airfield at Port Stanley. The Vulcan had originally been designed for medium-range stand-off nuclear missions in Europe and did not have the range to fly to the Falklands, requiring several in-flight refuelling missions. The RAF's tanker planes were mostly converted Victors with similar range, so they too had to be refuelled in the air. Thus, a total force of 11 tankers were required for only two Vulcans, a massive logistical effort. In the end only a single bomb hit the runway at Port Stanley, but the Argentine Air Force (FAA) realized that the British were likewise capable of hitting targets on the mainland, and immediately recalled all jet fighters in order to protect against this possibility. The attack was therefore a strategic success, hampering Argentine efforts at close air support, reducing the effective loiter time of incoming Argentine aircraft, and compelling them to overfly British forces in any attempt to attack the islands.

Nonetheless, whilst Argentine fighters were no longer stationed at the airfield, it was never down and remained strongly used by continuous Hercules C-130 flights until the end of the conflict. The transports continued to fly into Port Stanley by night, bringing in supplies, weapons, vehicles, and fuel into the Falklands and airlifting out the wounded. Argentine air transports continued to slip past the British through the last night of the war.

Only minutes after Black Buck, nine Sea Harriers from the Hermes followed up the raid by dropping cluster bombs on Port Stanley and the smaller grass airstrip at Goose Green. Both missions scored aircraft kills on the ground, as well as causing some damage to the airfield infrastructure. The aircraft had taken off from the deck of HMS Invincible, and although attached BBC reporter Brian Hanrahan was forbidden to divulge the number of planes involved, he came up with the memorable phrase "I counted them all out and I counted them all back".

Source

The airfield was not damaged.

The Argentine airfield was damaged only at the left but harriers could do his job perfectly.
The Hercules c-130 could down until 14 june why a harrier not???

The british airfield in San Carlos was not attacked by Argentine Air Force, so it was not damaged.


So what repair??

And here more...

Why uk put Illustrious (was not finished yet) to Falklands if they had Hermes and your not sunk Invincible????

Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by TheIrishDuck
Give me photos i proof all i said with photos you only talk and talk.

The airfield was not damaged what repair?

Not photos but documentation..
[qoute]
Only minutes after Black Buck, nine Sea Harriers from the Hermes followed up the raid by dropping cluster bombs on Port Stanley and the smaller grass airstrip at Goose Green. Both missions scored aircraft kills on the ground, as well as causing some damage to the airfield infrastructure. The aircraft had taken off from the deck of HMS Invincible, and although attached BBC reporter Brian Hanrahan was forbidden to divulge the number of planes involved, he came up with the memorable phrase "I counted them all out and I counted them all back".

Oh found one image of black buck damage..




so???????

not damaged operable 90%
Hercules could do his job why a harrier no???

Originally posted by stumason
Also, you have ignored my pointing out to you that Illustrious never had phalanx....but you claim it did....any answer?

Illustrious always had phalanx man.

seriously are you drunk?

Originally posted by TheIrishDuck

Originally posted by stumason
Also, you have ignored my pointing out to you that Illustrious never had phalanx....but you claim it did....any answer?

Illustrious always had phalanx man.

seriously are you drunk?

here a link you put:

# Armament:

* 3 x Phalanx/ Goalkeeper
* 2 x 20mm Close range guns

www.worldhistory.com...(R06).htm

Originally posted by TheIrishDuck
The airfield was not damaged.

The picture I show contradicts that.

The Argentine airfield was damaged only at the left but harriers could do his job perfectly.

Yes thats why it was a vulcan bomber, the harriers hit the aircraft.

The Hercules c-130 could down until 14 june why a harrier not???

The herc could down? You mean how it was shot down but not a harrier?
A herc is a big plane, it doesnt fly like a harrier and cant shoot back like a harrier.

And here more...

Why uk put Illustrious (was not finished yet) to Falklands if they had Hermes and your not sunk Invincible????

If you read why, they sent her because invincible had been on station since the start of the war...

[edit on 26/02/2005 by devilwasp]

The airfield was not damaged.

I think you'll find it was.

The Argentine airfield was damaged only at the left but harriers could do his job perfectly.

It was the Airfield infrastructure which was damaged. Whilst harriers could have operated from the base, there would have been damaged facilities making re-arming and re-fueling difficult.

The british airfield in San Carlos was not attacked by Argentine Air Force, so it was not damaged.

The airstrip at San Carlos was a pre-fab airstrip meant only for temporary use.

The Air War

Why uk put Illustrious (was not finished yet) to Falklands if they had Hermes and your not sunk Invincible????

Beacause, if you listened above, both the Hermes and Invincible had been on station for the duration of the war. Illustrious was sent to releave them,.

Originally posted by TheIrishDuck
so???????

not damaged operable 90%

Mabye because there would have been other damage while taking and caused by the harriers several minutes AFTER this picture was taken.

Hercules could do his job why a harrier no???

It was a vulcan, a herc is a transport plane.
A sea harrier is a multirole plane, not the best in all fields but ok.
A vulcan is a bomber, always will be and always has been one. Its the best bomber we had for the job.

Originally posted by TheIrishDuck

Originally posted by TheIrishDuck

Originally posted by stumason
Also, you have ignored my pointing out to you that Illustrious never had phalanx....but you claim it did....any answer?

Illustrious always had phalanx man.

seriously are you drunk?

here a link you put:

# Armament:

* 3 x Phalanx/ Goalkeeper
* 2 x 20mm Close range guns

www.worldhistory.com...(R06).htm

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..................I was waiting for you to do that....My evil plan falls into place...

I think you will find that those armament stats are for the Invincible CLASS....

You see where it says 3 x Phalanx/ Goalkeeper...

Well...

The Invincible and Illustrious both have the Goalkeeper and Ark Royal has the Phalanx.

Invicible and the Illustrious never had Phalanx. In fact, Invincible had no CIWS at all during the Falklands.

[edit on 4/9/05 by stumason]

Originally posted by TheIrishDuck

here a link you put:

# Armament:

* 3 x Phalanx/ Goalkeeper
* 2 x 20mm Close range guns

www.worldhistory.com...(R06).htm

Thats what they are armed with NOW, look on the RN site, same thing there.
Unless your telling me we have been using 1980's goal keepers and phalanxs for over 20 yeras

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..................I was waiting for you to do that....My evil plan falls into place...

.....Dude your getting worse than me....thats just wrong on all levels...

[edit on 26/02/2005 by devilwasp]

Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by TheIrishDuck
The airfield was not damaged.

The picture I show contradicts that.

The Argentine airfield was damaged only at the left but harriers could do his job perfectly.

Yes thats why it was a vulcan bomber, the harriers hit the aircraft.

The Hercules c-130 could down until 14 june why a harrier not???

The herc could down? You mean how it was shot down but not a harrier?
A herc is a big plane, it doesnt fly like a harrier and cant shoot back like a harrier.

And here more...

Why uk put Illustrious (was not finished yet) to Falklands if they had Hermes and your not sunk Invincible????

If you read why, they sent her because invincible had been on station since the start of the war...

[edit on 26/02/2005 by devilwasp]

the airfield was not damage man i had explain you this 3 times!!
a hercules could why a harrier no? if a harrier no need the field, it can go up and down easily.