Would "Jesus" have said "Hurricane Katrina Victims Were Killed because they were Sinful?"

Would "Jesus" have said "Hurricane Katrina Victims Were Killed because they were Sinful"?

I've heard some (so-called "Christian") ministers being interviewed today on the radio (after seeing the carnage left behind by Hurricane Katrina, especially those unfortunate persons now dying by the dozens every hour in New Orleans for lack of medical attention, food or drinkable water, many of them children too) that these people "deserved what they got" because, "as Jesus said, they were "sinful", and "God killed them..." citing some nonsense in Luke's Gospel as their source.

These were the same morons who said that "God sent the Indonesian tidal wave to kill all those people because "they were not Christians" ...!

As far as I know, idiots like "reverend" (!) Fallwell and that Robertson person and their ignorant ilk have not yet publically declared this to be their opinion as well in this case (unlike the venom that spewed forth from their fangs on 9-12-2001 when they blamed the 9-11 bombings in NYC "on those sinful gays in America" who made their "God" so angry he allowed it to happen...etc.

What they cite as a "biblical proof text" for their idiocy is repeatedly Luke chapter 13:1-5 which is "quoted" by these non-Aramaic speaking moronic "Christians" with respect to Hurricane Katrina, where God sent the Hurricane to wipe out all those "sinful" people in New Orleans, "the Big Easy and the hotbed of Abomination and Iniquity"...

So, for those who might not be aware of how people of this mindset actually think, here is what is placed into the mouth of "Jeeeezuzz" in the Greek gospel of Luke chapter 13 on the subject of "bad things happening to bad people" in accordance with Divine Judgement:

QUOTE : "There were standing there some men that reported back to Iesous of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with [pagan] sacrifices.

And Iesous answered them saying, Do you imagine for a minute that the Galileans that Pilate slaughtered were any more sinful than the rest of those in the Galile just because Pilate slew them? Amen Amen I say unto you, They were not: yet, except you repent, you too shall all die the same way.

And later he said to them, Do you imagine that those eighteen men who were crushed to death when the the tower in Siloam fell on top of them were any more sinful that all the others living in the holy city? (i.e. Jerusalem). Amen, Amen I say unto you, they were not: but unless you all repent, you shall likewise die like they did !"

So....the Question of the day is......What would "Jesus" say/do" about the victims of Hurricane Katrina? Would he give them the Tower of Siloam treatment and call them all a bunch of worthless sinners who got what they deserved?
i.e. the old WWJD conundrum

Is it likely, hypothetically speaking of course, if "Iesous" were alive today he might have said, "Do you think for a moment that those whom Hurricane Katrina drowned in New Orleans were any more sinful than you? They were not: and unless you repent, you're all going to be wiped out the same way!"

I'm wondering what WOULD "Iesous" have said if someone told him about Katrina's death toll this morning?

What do YOU think? I'm just curious.......

I do not believe Jesus would have said that.

That's my opinion, based on years of research into his words.

As usual somebody but nature has to be blame, God, Jesus or Mr. Bush has anything to do with the hurricane.

But it will be plenty of preachers, self rightous, and "Others" that will take advantage of the tragedy.

When people in is need and desperate like the people in the south that has lost everything they become susceptible to anything that is told to them.

Because they need to believe in something.

Very sad that just like 9/11 God, Bush and "others" were also blame for it.

As always is some that will take advantage of anything even tragedy.

I would wholeheartedly concur with Valhall and Marg on this matter.
Being "sinful"or being punished for being "sinful" is not just a matter involving New Orleans, or Louisiana, Mississippi, or Alabama, etc, but a matter of concern for nearly all Western Christian cities and nations.




seekerof

[edit on 31-8-2005 by Seekerof]

So how many devote chritians died or lost thier homes in the wake of Katrina. if there is at least 4 then the argument has failed since God was eevn willing to spare Sodaam and Gammora if there were at least 5 faithful in thier

Most often disasters and such are there to reveal Gods Glory. Just like the blind man Jesus healed when the apostles asked him what sin did the blind man do to deseve being blind.

Often you do not look up at God until you are on your back. When you are at your wits end, and all hope is lost, that is when God comes in to help you. For he knows every hair on your head, and knows exactly how wide your shoulders are, and will never give you a burden you cannot carry

The way I see it, physical death on the Earth plane is NOT punishment.

In fact if you are a Christian shouldn't death be welcomed?
I mean you're going to Heaven right?

Maybe the dead were actualy rewarded, not punished.

The survivers are probably the ones who have been punished (IF that's the case).
Heaven or hell on Earth? Which would you choose?

Jesus tried to explain the complete opposite to people who listened. He told his disciples when one of them asked why God causes some people to suffer, that things like this happen. I too tired to look up where exactly it is, but he basically used an example of a building that was being built in Jerusalem at the time that colapsed in the midst of construction, and he asked them if this was Gods fault or if it was a fault of man himself. They understood that and yah it makes sence. It's not Gods fault, its noones fault, the Earth is only trying to repair damage thats been dealt to it. God didn't send a hurricane to America as many Islamic extremists claim.

Originally posted by NEOAMADEUS
Would "Jesus" have said "Hurricane Katrina Victims Were Killed because they were Sinful"?

HA! I think He would have probably reminded us that all flesh is born to die--and the existence we call life is not really life, just the journey to the doorway that leads to true life. Most people call it 'death,' though--and no one seems to think it is a good thing.

I've heard some (so-called "Christian") ministers being interviewed today on the radio (after seeing the carnage left behind by Hurricane Katrina, especially those unfortunate persons now dying by the dozens every hour in New Orleans for lack of medical attention, food or drinkable water, many of them children too) that these people "deserved what they got" because, "as Jesus said, they were "sinful", and "God killed them..." citing some nonsense in Luke's Gospel as their source.

Wait till it comes to their town (disaster, that is--not Katrina). Then what will the story be? Do they suppose there are not any 'good christians' of their ilk in New Orleans? I wonder if they really think sin is a geographical issue.

These were the same morons who said that "God sent the Indonesian tidal wave to kill all those people because "they were not Christians" ...!

Judgmental bastidges--all of 'em. Those things make me cry--didn't used to, but I'm getting older....or something. I even had a tear or two this morning when I saw what had happened in Baghdad with that bridge collapsing. Who cares if their muslims, shiites, or whatever. We're all on this rock together--we've all got red blood and beating hearts. And we are all neighbors.

(unlike the venom that spewed forth from their fangs on 9-12-2001 when they blamed the 9-11 bombings in NYC "on those sinful gays in America" who made their "God" so angry he allowed it to happen...etc.

IMHO, if anyone made God angry enough to allow that to happen, it was them! Mainly because they do just as Paul said:

For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
Romans 2:24 KJV

Maybe these 'bad things' happen in order to 'hand them over to Satan so they will learn not to blaspheme.' (Another Paul quote)

They really ought to read their bibles.

I agree with ANOK:

The way I see it, physical death on the Earth plane is NOT punishment.

In fact if you are a Christian shouldn't death be welcomed?
I mean you're going to Heaven right?

Maybe the dead were actualy rewarded, not punished.

The survivers are probably the ones who have been punished (IF that's the case).
Heaven or hell on Earth? Which would you choose?

I just wanna see God! I do not love my life to the death.

All these good preacher-men betray themselves--they are totally carnal because they still live in mortal fear, thinking it is bad to die. I'm not condemning them for that--but I do not think they will be reaping what they think they will--I think they definitely have logs in their eyes.

We can only pray for them--and everyone else and even ourselves.

Even so, Come, LORD Jesus--right now is never too soon!

No, as someone else pointed out, when Jesus healed a blind man, one of his diciples,i think, asked him what sin had the man or his mother and father commited that he be blind? and Jesus replied that they had done nothing, rather this is the way to reveal the glory of God.

Jesus says, "Those who live below sea level die a watery death, and oh yeah...scientists have been telling them this would happen for years.Now go with god children."

How about...


What Would Brian Boitano Do?



peace

Well, everyone has been warned of this type stuff happening for over 30 years now. Global warming causing stronger and more storms, carbon dioxide emissions the cause of. Warned about the gas shortage that has always been looming. We are all responsible for what has taken place, will take place in the future. Most except those so called "environmental wackos" turned a deaf ear to all these warnings. We continued to make our vehicles larger-Tahoes, Extended cab pickups, etc. Continued to build more lanes for roads which would fill up 2 years later. All the time this country should have been working on a mass transit system such as Europe.

These type tragedies and worse will continue to happen until this country and the world gets their s--t together on the burning of fossil fuel and the use of an energy resourse that in the long run does nothing but kill this planet and it's people.

People who have been warning of these dire consequences were called "Environmental wackos". Want to see who is to blame for the tragedies unfolding-look in the mirror.

Jesus would never have said that. Its the lower preaching element who would come up with such a barbaric thing to spew. Right up there with the Pat Robertsons of the world et al.

God does not wish for anyone to suffer. He's a caring God. Hurricanes have been around since time began and this has happened before.
Do we need a nut to tell us what Jesus would have said?

We live in a fallen world. All aspects of creation are subject to sin. The weather also demonstates the effects of Adam's sin.

Did God cause Hurricane Katrina, no. Did He allow it, yes.

When Christ returns we will find out all of the weather events He didn't allow to happen.

So why did He allow this one. To get people's attention and turn it toward Him for salvation. Also to let us see what happens in a world that rejects God will encounter. Also because we are getting closer to Christ's return and things are going to get worse and worse. He also has other reasons.

Saved and unsaved people will and are being affected by the hurricane as well as the entire nation economically.

We live in a fallen world. All aspects of creation are subject to sin. The weather also demonstates the effects of Adam's sin.

Did God cause Hurricane Katrina, no. Did He allow it, yes.

When Christ returns we will find out all of the weather events He didn't allow to happen.

So why did He allow this one. To get people's attention and turn it toward Him for salvation. Also to let us see what happens in a world that rejects God will encounter. Also because we are getting closer to Christ's return and things are going to get worse and worse. He also has other reasons.

Saved and unsaved people will and are being affected by the hurricane as well as the entire nation economically.

Well said dbradnt...

Also I would like to add what a Christian site had to say about the ''Tsunami''
which was also a natural disaster.

See then that ye walk carefully, not as fools, but as wise, redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
Ephesians 5,15-16

A tidal wave caused by an earthquake has caused great destruction and death in countries bordering the Indian Ocean. The number of victims is far, far greater than the number killed in the Twin Towers terrorist attack of three years ago. How are we to understand this so-called 'natural' disaster? Why does the Ruler of the Universe allow such catastrophes?

the rest here


And what Jehosaphat said...

Often you do not look up at God until you are on your back. When you are at your wits end, and all hope is lost, that is when God comes in to help you. For he knows every hair on your head, and knows exactly how wide your shoulders are, and will never give you a burden you cannot carry

As the body needs food, so the soul needs the study of divine Scriptures, for "man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God" (Matt. 4:4)


"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send forth a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but a famine of hearing the word of the Lord..." (Amos 8:11).


"We must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God" (Acts 14:22). The Lord also says to us: "Enter ye in at the straight gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat" (Matt. 7:13,14).

Many prayers to the people and their families .

IX
helen

As I read all these post and agree with some I now am starting to wonder why creationist and fundamentalist Christians don't want science to prevail, it obviously takes away some of the mysteries of "GOD" with simple scientific facts and also takes away the fun of making people afraid.

Global warming, warm waters, stroger natural systems, more devastation in land.

US coastal areas in the south specially in Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi and Florida are mostly sand bancks and most of it under sea level.

End of the world? God sending a message?

No. . .we are do for a global change and another ice age, all these has been part of earth cycles for ages.

I prefer science it makes more sense.

Would "Jesus" have said "Hurricane Katrina Victims Were Killed because they were Sinful?"

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Do you honestly think Jesus would have felt that all the babies killed were sinners? Don't confuse Jesus with the hateful "God" of the old testament....and regardless, your question is just absurd.

Were all the Tsunami victims sinners? Were all the 9/11 victims sinners? Is every person killed in a car bombing a sinner? Get a clue!

Originally posted by XanaX

Don't confuse Jesus with the hateful "God" of the old testament....and regardless, your question is just absurd.

the hateful 'God' of the OT was who was in the body of Christ in the NT. He was not hateful, just doing what was appropriate then. It is deeper than thinking because God killed people He was bad. There is so much more to it than that.

Were all the Tsunami victims sinners? Were all the 9/11 victims sinners? Is every person killed in a car bombing a sinner? Get a clue!

We are all 'sinners'--not because we 'sin' but because we are born with 'skin.'

But the people that say God kills 'sinners' with hurricanes and such are the true malignant 'evil' of the world--self-oriented, self-righteous, blind fools who prefer themselves over everyone else and feel because they made up a good theology, they are 'elect' of God.

If God does 'evil' it is ultimately for 'good'. Therefore it is not truly evil. True evil comes from man--done in ignorance and for no good purpose, that kind of evil is done in vain, is void, and as such, is true 'evil.'

Originally posted by marg6043

No. . .we are do for a global change and another ice age, all these has been part of earth cycles for ages.

Yes.

I prefer science it makes more sense.

I understand your point.

However, the God that the world presents, one who is illogical and doesn't make sense, is not really God.

Science may make more sense, I agree--but unless you understand the source of Creation, and factor it in, then there is no satisfactory 'final ' answer in science, just unfinished, inconclusive, hypothesis--never reaching the end of the question. Each scientific answer leads to more questions.

I say this because I reject religion, accept God as truth, and respect and study all fields of science. And there are abundant answers available, things that most people don't even consider. But the only answer is not one half on either side, but unity in the middle.

Faith + science = knowledge

'faith' is NOT religion (which is superstitious politics at best and oppression and death in its worst form)

John 9:1-7 pretty much answers this question:

1As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"

3"Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life. 4As long as it is day, we must do the work of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. 5While I am in the world, I am the light of the world."

6Having said this, he spit on the ground, made some mud with the saliva, and put it on the man's eyes. 7"Go," he told him, "wash in the Pool of Siloam" (this word means Sent). So the man went and washed, and came home seeing.

Plainly it is evident that suffering is not always the result of sin. The entire book of Job also talks about this, with Job's friends saying falsely that he must have sinned for such things to be happenning to him.