Were Romans and Greeks here?

I had this in another topic but it seemed out of place there so I put it here.

Did they come here? Read this and decide. I guess I kind of stole this poll from the website.

1. Roman coins have been found in Venezuela and Maine

2. Roman coins were found in Texas at the bottom of an Indian mound at Round Rock. The mound is dated at approximately 800 AD.

3. In 1957 by a small boy found a coin in a field near Phenix City, Alabama, from Syracuse, on the island of Sicily, and dating from 490 B.C.

4. In the town of Heavener, Oklahoma, another out-of-place coin was found in 1976. Experts identified it as a bronze tetradrachm originally struck in Antioch, Syria in 63 A.D. and bearing the profile of the emperor Nero.

5. In 1882, a farmer in Cass County, Illinois picked up bronze coin later identified as a coin of Antiochus IV, one of the kings of Syria who reigned from 175 B.C. to 164 B.C., and who is mentioned in the Bible.

6. In 1966, a man named Manfred Metcalf stumbled upon a stone in the state of Georgia that bears an inscription that is very similar to ancient writing from the island of Crete called "Cretan Linear A and B writing.


The list goes on and on.
paranormal.about.com...

A good question.

Much like the vikings. Runestones have been found all over the US, plus the spirit cave mummies themselves are interesting.............

I wouldnt dount they were.

Yes as well as were members of the African and Oriental races, stories in respect to this go back a really long time.

To be very quick (some people will know why)... stories of "western isles" were very common among navigators of Columbus' time. These were not so much supported by known Viking settlements on Iceland.. But upon various stories that involved ancient and early medieval navigators. In fact, the Vikings, in Eric the Red's time, were sailing out because of these stories.

The Irish have a tradition called Imhansa (i believe, it may lack an 'n') that tells of lands of plenty far to the west of the island. St. Brendan, the navigator, was said to have encountered a race of 'red' men there... 4-5 centuries before the vikings went there.

As well, the Spanish have a tale that involves the last Roman-Visigothic king of Leon going off to found seven (?) cities in these mystical isles.

Among the native americans, there are several tales of pale, fair haired men who landed in North America, before the time of Leif Ericson. Also, some modern sailors have shown that Roman ships COULD actually make the atlnatic voyage... had they been blown off course...?

I definatly think people were in America long before Columbus and the Vikings. I have never heard of evidence of Roman ships sailing to America. Anyone have a website to read up on this, it seems pretty interesting.

I'd like to see some links on the about.com site for the data. The author for About.com is a real "believer" but seems to be awfully innocent of some things.

I can say that the "ancient Egyptian" statues that the About.com author talks about are fake:
www.science-frontiers.com...
That's the original source (when you break out of the About.com frames.) By no stretch of the imagination is that either Osiris or Isis.

This is what a real Osiris statue looks like:
jtaltman.com...

Notice that the headdress is quite different, as are the proportions (the Mexican statue proportions are more similar to the Aztec than to the Egyptian. They're too stocky to be Egyptian) The hands are in the wrong position.

Another museum replica of Osiris: www.mdc.hr...

And again (from a museum.) Notice the wrappings:
www.touregypt.net...

And again (another museum)
www.museums.org.za...

Commercial "museum reproduction" quality Osiris statues:
www.sacredtravel.com...

The "isis" is equally wrong. Wrong face proportions, wrong clothing (or lack thereof), wrong head gear:
www.usc.edu...

Commercial "museum reproduction" site... the two drawings at the top of the replica display are good ones of the typical ways Isis was shown, including nursing the baby Horus. The throne on her head (stylized, where she extends her winged arms around Osiris) is another of her symbols:
www.sacredtravel.com...

More museum replicas:
www.rainbowcrystal.com...


You can see how DIFFERENT the real stuff looks -- even allowing for artistic interpretation. The Mexican statues are just obvious fakes and the hieroglyphics are meaningless.

So... I'd like to see other links. The presence of this poor piece of evidence indicates that someone's swallowing what hoaxers are saying and are not doing a good job of investigating. It tends to suggest that the rest may be a pack of hoaxes that people have fallen for.

[Edited on 2-9-2003 by Byrd]

To be clear Byrd did not many of the Roman statues include cysts as many in that time thought they were inherent to the human form???

Its important to remember that the term Isis was not only the name of a person but as well a Title. The image could reflect a person who was afforded that title.

Keep in mind they belived in reincarnation.

Any thoughts?

And heres why.

There is too many similarities between ruins, artifacts, and etc around the world, which suggests a global culture in the past. Few would agree with me on this, but it is most likely that the artifacts we see, that are claimed to be roman and/or greek could and most likely are in fact atlantean. Now, that is of course under the assumption that Atlantis did in fact exist. I believe yes. I dunno why, but it's a gut feeling. At any rate, there have been similarities traced between maccu piccu, easter island, stonehenge, and even a small area in arizona. If you want to read a cool fiction on the subject, i suggest Clive Cussler's "Serpent" It's a great read, and it's like a $5 paperback. Peace.

I was really confused by the title until I read the post heheh, I was thinking "Well, of course they were here, we have like, acrchaelogical digs and stuff finding things".

Note, I'm in England.

I am not sure what you mean by here in your poll but reading the posts I think you mean on the American continent!

Hard to say.
The spaniards started intense traveling to the Americas as soon as they found the route.

The thing is that in Europe during that time it did not really matter where the money came from or what stamp of country they had.

Price was bronze, gold and silver and other metals. Not the seal of the coin.
Therefro Europeans might have given thes coins to the Indians (Native Americans) for payment of different sorts. The money could then have been scattered thru trades all over the americas.
But we will never know untill someone invents a machine to travel in time...

Vikings on the other hand. Yes, they were in Americas.
Forget about Columbus day. He was 300-400 years late.
We do not know if it actually was Leif Eriksson who actually discovered America of the Vikings. It could have been another Viking before him.
There are many traces of Vikings in Canada and USA. All the way to Wisconsin and Minnesota I heard which means they must have stayed a while or who knows. Maybee even settled.
The Vikings were all over, they were not only fighters, rapers and looters but adventure seeking men, opportunists and traders.
There are traces of Vikings all the way down is middle east. Turkey, Egypt, Lebanon, Israel/Palestine, Jordan, Iraq and even in Saudi Arabia.
There is also a map dated from this time that with pretty good exactness shows all Europe and asian continent and the whole of meditiranian.
The Vikings might have been the first ones to find the northern route to China.
I think the Vikings are the most interesting

One of the lesser known Sagas speaks of a race in the west land. They were called the "Ugly Ones" as the Norsemen saw them. The saga actually complained that such a large land had nothing to offer them, so they left. I belive that this is one of the reasons we have found no large settlements in the American continent. Norsemen were incredible traders and business men, the thought of the wild long haired horned helmeted pillagers is actually a product of the Victorian age. The term Viking or "Avikinj" is actually a job discription to go A Viking was actually going out trading and raiding. But to get back to the point, one of the reasons that the Norseman didnt actually settle was becaus the Indians had no real goods to trade, fur and the like was of no interest to the Norseman, hence no long term settlements.

>One of the lesser known Sagas speaks of a race in the >west land. They were called the "Ugly Ones" as the >Norsemen saw them. The saga actually complained >that such a large land had nothing to offer them, so >they left. I belive that this is one of the reasons we >have found no large settlements in the American >continent.

Only small settlements to wait for better season to return. And small explorer settlements.

>Norsemen were incredible traders and business men, >the thought of the wild long haired horned helmeted >pillagers is actually a product of the Victorian age.

Partly! Tall and long haired they were, at least tall in comparrison to the rest of the european population. Last Viking grave in my town found 2 bodies. One male with length of 180cm (About 5'11") and one male at 191cm. This was tall compared at that time.
They often had long hair. Bodies found in marches usally proofes this.
About horned helmets, there were no warriors with horned helmets at all.

>The term Viking or "Avikinj" is actually a job discription >to go A Viking was actually going out trading and >raiding.

Sort of! Word comes from the Scandinavian word Vik which means Bay. Go visit bays. Most Vikings were traders. When we got more organized we raised armys and navys and went looting too.

>But to get back to the point, one of the reasons that >the Norseman didnt actually settle was becaus the >Indians had no real goods to trade, fur and the like >was of no interest to the Norseman, hence no long >term settlements.

But still, way before Columbus!

I want to bring this up in History good finds. Printing now.

Magnus Good points!!! All I can say is lets go to Visby!!! Lots of history and reenactments there, love the norse culture. My lady has one of her degrees in Nordistic, speaks most of the Scandanavian languages including Icelandic and ancient Norse. What a civilisation they had, ever heard the story of the Vikings that visited Paris? Its a good one and a typical example of Viking humor.

Originally posted by Jimcrispi
Magnus Good points!!! All I can say is lets go to Visby!!! Lots of history and reenactments there, love the norse culture. My lady has one of her degrees in Nordistic, speaks most of the Scandanavian languages including Icelandic and ancient Norse. What a civilisation they had, ever heard the story of the Vikings that visited Paris? Its a good one and a typical example of Viking humor.

Thank you Jim!

Yes Visby has alot of it. So does areas around Uppsala and the lake M�laren near Stockholm where people believe the town Birka was placed.
Around my town in West Gothia is also alot of remains. It is because the high altitude people were here first when the ice slowly melted away.
Not very common with people studying our languages. In Big, they are all pretty much the same. Like Icelandic, F�r�ic and what you call ancient Norse and we call UrNordiskan is pretty much the same.
I know Vikings raided Paris, but dont know the story. You have any links?
Guess we are getting of topic. Guess someone should start a new VIKING Thread.
Yes, we have humor!

More proofs:
Ancient Greeks in America
Since the link of: ''double sided axes from Crete were found in Washighton and Ohio of the U.S.A'' is missing, i provide it Here (Its the same but in greek)

The axes that have the symbol ''Φ'' above or below them are american and the rest who have not the mark ''Φ'' are greek, just for comparison.

Any Roman or Greek coins need not have been brought here by the Romans or Greeks. The coins were in trade distribution throughout Europe and Asia, and for decades to centuries after the coin was minted. It is quite plausible Roman or Greek coins were brought to the Americas by any early voyager at any time up to the present. The native Americans traded among themselves so a coin or any other artifact introduced to a coastal people would over time end up in the center of the continent, having passed through many hands on its journey.

What is strange is that there are acropolis in region of Peru, the same with those in Mycenae. I doubt the earlier explorers brought the same architecture with the Greek one...

How do you figure its the same? If anything, native american architecture is so radically different from old world architecture as to show that there was no contact.

Originally posted by Nygdan
How do you figure its the same? If anything, native american architecture is so radically different from old world architecture as to show that there was no contact.

I am refering to specific sites in Peru, but i still cannot find the link to show you.
There are cyclopean masonry similarities