Attn: Astral Travelers

While not having had the opportunity to AP myself, I found others might be interested in this news article.
The BBC is reporting that Manchester University is conducting research in to OOBE's and need YOUR help.
The news article can be found at news.bbc.co.uk...
while the online survey Manchester want you to fill out can be found at
www.freeresponse.org...

Have a great day/week/year peoples

OMG do i get paid for using astral projection and doing oobe in front of them cause if i did sign me up where the hell is the dam participation sheet wow these questions are really weird these guys are like perverts lol


omg my fingers hurt from all these questions

60 I am psychic.
true or false

umm crap

[edit on 28-8-2005 by fum]

obviously AND unfortunatly ...we are uninterested ...you see,,,sorry

alright the reason is ...


we do this for ourselves...Its an interior exploration.....an expedition if you will.....once you dive into this relm...it is most profound and there is no turing back ...we will entertain one another, because we have common interest.....dont patronize us !...we rome, and dive into the depth of our minds in search of the finite sheath between wakefulness and sleep..which takes effort....sometimes not...but we will seek it, now that we know it exsists...I t IS a REAL place ...a most profound place ....where you can fly, breathe, live ..and be real...as real as real is now! ...as real as real was ...Its just a few moments that you can live as you never lived before

[edit on 29-8-2005 by xxKrisxx]

Besides what Kris said, it's obvious that the only conclusion that scientists will be able to come to is that OOBE is the cause of lack of oxygen/just a dream, like most studies in the past have stated. So I don't think most APers would waste their time, since there are no tools that can measure or verify these experiences. Especially not a simple survey. All that can do is classify and catagorize types of people who experience AP/OOBE and their interests, etc. And they will somehow use the results to discredit people who have out of body experiences as being overly artistic/imaginative and having psychological problems, etc.

I did the survey just for the hell of it, but for some reason after 4 or 5 pages, I just came to a "Session Terminated" page for no reason and was unable to continue :\. Sounds like taking out data at their own discretion to me.

It really is something you must experience for yourself. You can read about the experience and how to do it, what is there, etc all you want, but there is a big difference between believing and knowing. And you can only know if you experience it directly on your own.

im in it for the money if there is any cause i could use some

other than that i aint doing it lol its awsome and im starting a group of astral projection people anyone wanna join me? ill take you across the most beautiful galaxies

im in it for the money if there is any cause i could use some

1. Nobody usually takes the word of someone who is "just in it for the money". If someone said they were going to go out and get a picture of the loch ness monster "just for the money", I think most people would be right in believing a hoax was likely to go down.

2. I have heard from some sources that if you are using Astral Projection for impure/petty reasons, you probably won't be able to do it. So if you are doing it "just for the money" (however that would work), or are going to use it for voyeuristic reasons, etc.... good luck, because you most likely won't even make it out. There are much better things to do in the astral anyway, like investigate spiritual things for yourself, and using it to help people, not exploit them.

3. Anybody who is in it for the money/fame brings down the credibility of people who are actually devoted to doing it for good and useful reasons, and are freely teaching others how to achieve it and improve on it. If you are just looking for "party tricks", go mess around with psi balls or something.

Thankies =).

Its long but......

I never believed ...

Ofcourse until my first profound experience......I have spoken to River Goddesss about this topic endlessly ....Since my first experience, and many there after...did I realize the REALITY of this subject...It is so easy to pass it off as ridiculous foolishness. .

Id LIKE to disreguard it but I cannot......I have a degree in mathmatics and science...I am the epitome of confrontation as far as para psych and I live for the denouncing of delusional interpretation...I look and seek the scientific way out ...but this my friend is a true and real fact of life

Before the facilties of formal education, and the physical "passing down" of knowledge...Natural production and inborne language of survival paved the way....We are hard wired to plainly " know" what is right....there is an inherit "way" about us in which we should "do right" by one another...Many fight against this natural instinct to protect and covet one another...But in the face of opposition we would do right by our fellow man...In the mist of oppostion you would rise above the conflict and bond to your closest "brother"...

There is SO MUCH more to explore >>>I f you were to allow yourself to give way, to the most primal instict....where we once gained knowlege thru pure energy of the past generation, you could in essence receive it without even trying. ..There was a time that people passed profound knowlege without EVER speaking a word...are we beyond this? Or are we just preoccupied by the material world

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One way astral projection can be proven to not be simple dreams, is having to people "dive in" somehow meet up with each other, come out, and describe what happened when they met up seperatly.

There is an educational organization in Charlottesville, Virginia called the Monroe Institute that deals with the study of altered states of consciousness. It was founded by the late Robert Monroe who wrote a series of books describing his experimentation with spirit travel.

I'm sure there are probably other similar organizations out there.

HEYOKA, I know a number of groups that try to do this. Many of them meet in important and easy-to-locate world landmarks like the pyramids, the top of mount everest, etc. While I haven't attended myself, some of the conversations I have seen the next day are amazing. Especially online where you have no idea what the other person looks like and you come back to describe them and everything you discussed perfectly.

I actually suggested the same thing on this post here . Along with that, there are a number of other ways that people have suggested for proving Astral Project/Out Of Body Experience. You might want to give it a read =).

Yarcofin you are so right i shouldnt do it for the money thats just being greedy i should just do it cause its fun and stuff and about these groups i would love to be in them i would like to travel to the three gratest mountains in the universe

ive tryed many times to do it..but failed over and over again..i really need someones help...ive gotten so close where i can feel my whole body rush and viborate and i could see people flying by me...but i cannot get out for some reason..is there something im doing wrong?do i need someone to guid me out?any advice or help would be great! ~kiliker

Originally posted by Yarcofin
since there are no tools that can measure or verify these experiences.

Actually there have been studies done. The human mind usually operates within the Alpha and Beta wave spectrum. In subjects that claim proficiency with oobe's/ap's durring a "projection" the Alpha and Beta waves are near flatline and the little seen theta waves "spike".

A part of that 80% to 90% of the brain's potential that most people never use (keyword being use).

alpha wave
n.
A pattern of smooth, regular electrical oscillations in the human brain that occur when a person is awake and relaxed. As recorded by the electroencephalograph, alpha waves have a frequency of 8 to 13 hertz. Also called alpha rhythm.

beta wave
n.
The second most common waveform occurring in electroencephalograms of the adult brain, characteristically having a frequency from 13 to 30 cycles per second. It is associated with an alert waking state but can also occur as a sign of anxiety or apprehension. Also called beta rhythm.

theta wave
n
The normal brainwave in the encephalogram of a person who is awake but relaxed and drowsy having a frequency of 4 to 8 hertz; occurs with low frequency and low amplitude. Also called theta rhythm.



[edit on 18/9/05 by redmage]

[edit on 18/9/05 by redmage]

Originally posted by redmage

alpha wave
n.
A pattern of smooth, regular electrical oscillations in the human brain that occur when a person is awake and relaxed. As recorded by the electroencephalograph, alpha waves have a frequency of 8 to 13 hertz. Also called alpha rhythm.

beta wave
n.
The second most common waveform occurring in electroencephalograms of the adult brain, characteristically having a frequency from 13 to 30 cycles per second. It is associated with an alert waking state but can also occur as a sign of anxiety or apprehension. Also called beta rhythm.

theta wave
n
The normal brainwave in the encephalogram of a person who is awake but relaxed and drowsy having a frequency of 4 to 8 hertz; occurs with low frequency and low amplitude. Also called theta rhythm.

Isn't the Delta wave deep sleep? So...wouldn't the mind be here? or would it be just before Delta, inbetween Delta and Theta?

I'm getting quite interested in this subject. I'm even thinking of eating and excercising right so I can start to meditate and learn to start with the relaxation vibrations. As a kid, I was MUCH healthier and much more active. And and I used to have many Lucid dreams (I didn't know that's what hey were then of course), and even jokingly could remote view on some f my freinds houses. I thought it was all just my imagination and a perfect score in coinsidence when I told them what was in their house and the layout (before I had ever been there). I thought they were just games and never really thought much of it. I've lost touch with everything.

ANYWAYS.....
Any tips for eating healthy and exercising, for energy training purposes, before I actually try to meditate?

I NEED Any-ones Help who has ever had this problem happen to them.
Since I was 18 Iv been haveing troble while I sleep Mostly Nightmares, I belive that it has to do wit Astreal-Projection only because the dreams would last for several hours and I can remember in perfict detale what they were Iv also had expereances that I would be going to diffrent country's & Far off Lands if anyone has had any of these experences please post me back I Dont Want This Any More I Hate It! I want to know how to get rid of it. Thank you for your help.

Luna.

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Yeah, scientist are always ruining things a lot like psychologist try to put a label on every thing they see even if they don't understand what it is they are seeing. They deny the reality of what they see but can't properly evaluate it because they haven't been trained for that kinda stuff.

P.S. Love your Magician Tabby with the levitating wine cork. Cool!

[edit on 26-6-2008 by MrMysticism]