Spynx's paw

Originally posted by HALO77
What this civilization fails to realize is that we are going back to our roots. A sort of rediscovering of who we are. Science cannot explain the spiritual realm of our existance. That is why they battle over what is true and false in regards to the Ancients. Science doesn't understand that the Ancients were a spiritual people, in touch with Mother Earth, the Heavens, and the galaxy as a whole. Science says "they didnt have the technology" , "they weren't smart enough" , "they couldnt have..." , and that is because the majority of scientist and philosophers are unaware of how closed minded they really are. Deep within our governments or within the "Majestic 12" the full truth is known. How do they know? I ask the same question, but know that they aren't trying to explore life on other planets for nothing. Know that our so called "advanced technology" isn't as advanced as we think it is, for there is so much more technology already in place that hasnt been exposed to the public for security reasons im sure. There is life beyond our planet and the Ancients experienced it by being "as one" with the universe, and they left behind many clues as to how we can achieve it as well, but we must be willing to accept the fact that the things we see and may see as impossible are very much possible.

You seem to be fairly sure of your statement! I just hope we can get to the bottom of this! You mention we are reclining in our technology. You will like my thread on that very subject

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I am sure you would have some valued information to share or even just add your thoughts

Originally posted by jimstradamus
From what i understand the Sphinx and the Giza plateau were built to mirror the sky as it would have appeared in 10500bc with the Sphinx coming above the horizon as leo was in the sky,the pyramids on the plateau matching up with Orion with the great pyramid and the two beside it matching Orions belt and the milky way lining up with the Nile river..a map of the sky made on Earth,from what ive read other mayan pyramids and structures also configure to the stars as they would have appeared in 10 500bc.The Great pyramid is only a degree or 2 off true north and we still cant build that precise..I always wondered why the Great pyramid and the 2 beside it didnt perfectly line up..the first 2 are perfect and the last one is slightly off line but when you look at the 3 stars in Orions belt they match it perfectly.

I have already pointed this out! But as Harte says it still isn't actual proof of dating it is just speculation. It is a very interesting idea though, and it is a theory i tend to go along with. But there again maybe Robert Bauva is just trying to MAKE THINGS FIT THE CO-INCIDENCES I dont no!l

Originally posted by amb1063
mistic

your information on the show on tv was interesting............and i would love to catch the show. i watch scifi channel,history,a/e,discovery all the time and have never seen that show................so give us some details.

the russian/egyptian connection is also new to me let alone the film of an actual abduction..................are you sure you weren't watching a "recreation" of an actual or alleged event???


so come back with some info on this.............i would love to catch this show.....!!

I saw this show also, it was about two hours long and i havnt been able to find and information on the web about it either. It was about the Russian KGB Project Isis in which they supposedly found a tomb labled "the tomb of the visitor" and another chamber several meter below that with no known way to get to it without drilling to it, which they considered but decided against in case the chamber was some kind of alien trojan horse.

and the abduction footage mistic is talkign about wasnt a recreation, the man behind the camara shows people standing on a remote location in Egypt and then the camara looks up and there is a bright light in the sky..the camara falls to the ground and you can see the light illuminating the ground which then dissapears after a few seconds with no people on at the location anymore.

Originally posted by jimstradamus
From what i understand the Sphinx and the Giza plateau were built to mirror the sky as it would have appeared in 10500bc with the Sphinx coming above the horizon as leo was in the sky,the pyramids on the plateau matching up with Orion with the great pyramid and the two beside it matching Orions belt and the milky way lining up with the Nile river..a map of the sky made on Earth,from what ive read other mayan pyramids and structures also configure to the stars as they would have appeared in 10 500bc.The Great pyramid is only a degree or 2 off true north and we still cant build that precise..I always wondered why the Great pyramid and the 2 beside it didnt perfectly line up..the first 2 are perfect and the last one is slightly off line but when you look at the 3 stars in Orions belt they match it perfectly.

I belive it is some kind of map....to what? Possibly the location of a planet where the extra terrestrials who may have helped the egyptians advance.

Where does the map lead to? Ive come to the conclusion that IF in factthis is a map, the aliens come from a planet that orbits one of the stars in the constellation Orion.

Originally posted by Earth Angel
I did wounder if the vents where cut into the stones first. It would still take a heck of a lot of working out getting the stones in the correct place. How are the stones perfectly smooth with no chissel marks? must of had some great sand paper!

Have you ever been to the pyramids in Egypt? I have, they are not constructed out of perfectly smooth rock. And they are not built out of perfectly formed blocks either. One side of the great pyramid was damaged by somebody (forget his name) that tried to dynamite his way into the thing in the 1800's -- while this was a bad thing as far as preservation of a tourist site goes (by today's standards) it was very educational for how the pyramids were built. The inner bulk of the pyramids is NOT made out of equal sized blocks of stone but is instead a hodge podge of different sized and shaped stones fit in wherever they could fit in. The internal halls etc were fashioned out of measured blocks as was the outside layer of blocks. The outside was then covered with limestone (which was stripped off by invaders hundreds of years later).

The blocks inside (hallway) are not perfectly smooth like they were sanded. They are relatively smooth but you can indeed see the toolmarks on them. It's not hard to make a large right angle to use for checking your work as you chisel out a big block... and that's exactly what the hundreds of stone masons did when they were building the pyramids.

"At 11:05 am German robotics engineer, Rudolf Gatenbrink, discovers an ancient secret 'door' in the Great Pyramid.

While exploring the so-called air-shafts in the King's Chamber for a proposed ventilation system, Gatenbrink gains access to the Queen's Chamber's air-shafts (that, unlike the air-shafts in the King's Chamber, don't extend to the outer face of the Pyramid).

After maneuvering Upuaut II – a $250,000 mini-robot used to crawl up the shafts – 200 ft. up the southern shaft, the hitherto rough hewn walls turned smooth, polished. Directly ahead he discovered the now infamous 'door' replete with metal fittings. Under the lower-right corner exists a gap beneath which the projected red laser of Upuaut II completely disappeared into darkness.

What lies behind the ancient polished door? Some (such as the current Director General of Giza) speculated a cache of scrolls and even a statue of Khufu (Cheops). But we may never know..."


Erich von Daiken's book has pictures of this door.... When they saw the door they said " Oh theres nothing behind it.."


Sure... how do they know?? I saw a special on discovery channel where they took big mechanicle sledge hammers to the surrounding areas and read the shock waves.... something big is below the pyramids.... We need to go under there and see whats up......... this must happen... I wish I could build a similar robot with some kind of laser so I could break into it...

matching the sky eh I heard something about plato watching the moon come into orbit or something but I think thats a lil too early for 500 bc I dont know though I'm not a history nut hehe

Moon coming into orbit **

Any comments or theories on the pyramids and face in the Cedonia region of Mars..Id love to hear them!!!

Originally posted by jimstradamus
From what i understand the Sphinx and the Giza plateau were built to mirror the sky as it would have appeared in 10500bc with the Sphinx coming above the horizon as leo was in the sky,the pyramids on the plateau matching up with Orion with the great pyramid and the two beside it matching Orions belt and the milky way lining up with the Nile river..a map of the sky made on Earth,from what ive read other mayan pyramids and structures also configure to the stars as they would have appeared in 10 500bc.

The three large pyramids at Giza do match (somewhat) the alignment of the three stars in Orion's Belt. Except for one fairly major problem, the orientation of the pyramids is upside-down in comparison with configuration of Orion's Belt. Why should this be?

The Sphinx doesn't fit in with this configuration in the least, however.

Originally posted by jimstradamusThe Great pyramid is only a degree or 2 off true north and we still cant build that precise.

I've heard this one so many times before that now it gives me a headache.
Of course we can build a building with alignment that precise. We can build a building ten times as precise as that regarding alignment with any direction we choose. But we don't do this. Why on Earth should we? It would be a pretty expensive thing to do. This is a capitalistic society. What do you thing the owners of a new building would say to a suggestion that they increase their construction costs by fifty percent or so, just so they can be sure that their new building will be aligned with true north to within 1/100th of a degree?

Madness.

Harte

The thing about the alighnment is that it was done thousand of years ago. I saw a thing that compared the allighnment to app. ten thousand years ago, and it matched. Along with the site at Ancor, and one that the Incas built.

Originally posted by amb1063
mistic

your information on the show on tv was interesting............and i would love to catch the show. i watch scifi channel,history,a/e,discovery all the time and have never seen that show................so give us some details.

the russian/egyptian connection is also new to me let alone the film of an actual abduction..................are you sure you weren't watching a "recreation" of an actual or alleged event???


so come back with some info on this.............i would love to catch this show.....!!

Mistic and Amb1063,

My apologies. The lack of info on the internet, coupled with Mistic's mislocation of the tomb (he said the Sphinx, the tomb is supposedly [apparently] in or around the Osireon) led to my disbelief.

I have not seen the show, nor have I found anything on the 'net yet, but I am now at least aware that Mistic wasn't making it up.

Sorry to have judged you so harshly and quickly, Mistic.

And Amb1063, shame on you for agreeing with my sorry butt so easily!

(I'm still not saying I believe a word of it, only that now I might be able to find something on it, I'll let you know.)
Harte

As a member of Edgar Cayces A.R.E. (Association for Research and Enlightenment) i have read everything he ever said about egypt.

Basicly: After the third and final destruction of Atlantis (the first being around 200,000 BC which broke the continent into islands, the second around 20,000 BC which is the biblical flood, the final being around 10,500 BC) there were refugees who immigrated and were absorbed into or obsorbed into them the peoples where they went. These places were mainly (and remember this is over time, not a one time event but took place slowly over time): The Pyrenees Mts between france and spain (their descendants are the Basques), The Yucatan peninsula in mexico, the ohio valley (mound builders), the 'four corners area of the usa, mediteranean islands, and egypt.

He said that there are 3 locations where some of their top scientists and scholors had 'pooled' their knowledge for safekeeping. These Halls of Records are reported to be 1) On Poseidia itself (now located under the ocean in the bahamas region) 2) In a pyramid located in the Yucatan, which has been found (as of 1932) but the people were unaware of what it was they found, with some artifacts going to the smithsonian 3)Egypt - "between the shadow of the great pyramid and the left forpaw of The Sphynx". He states that this 'hidden chamber' was build first and everything else was built after and on top of it.

Inside he says there is all the scientific knowledge of atlantis, their teachings of The Law of One and thier struggle with The Sons of Belial, a complete history and prophecy of man on earth, the story of our true origin, crystal artifacts that were used to power their vehicles, proof of pastlives (?) and other psychic phenomenon etc.

He stated that the location would be found in 1998 (it was) and that it would not be opened until people 'get right with god and their reasons for opening it'. He also stated that it would eventualy be opened and just at the right time for humanity. In 1998 the chamber was found by an A.R.E. expedition led by Lora Little and her husband using sound waves and an echolocation device. The egyptian government however wont let anyone dig or open it since they not only do not believe in edgar cayce but they also don't want their sphynx being destroyed by a bunch of 'cayce kooks'.

Just knowing that it exists is good enough for me. I can care less what the naysayers believe, since they have been indocrinated (since roughly 10,500 BC) into disbelieving these sorts of things, they could never be persuaded to open their rigid minds.

Think i could write my name on the pyramid (like khufu did) and have people 2,000 years later think i built it? People are stupid enough to believe it once, why not again?

Originally posted by Master Wu
As a member of Edgar Cayces A.R.E. (Association for Research and Enlightenment) i have read everything he ever said about egypt...

Just knowing that it exists is good enough for me. I can care less what the naysayers believe, since they have been indocrinated (since roughly 10,500 BC) into disbelieving these sorts of things, they could never be persuaded to open their rigid minds.

In your opinion how do you think that Cayce's prophecies have panned out? It would seem that his prophetic accuracy could be used as a basis for evaluating his ability to look into the past. I'd be interested in your comments either here or in another thread.
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Originally posted by speight89
Dig up the surrounding land around the Sphynx! They would be able to go underneath it, without causing any damage, and, if this chamber exists, they can enter and reveal what they have found to the whole world!

Helllloooo allllready done thaaatt. They dug under teh sphinx, there was no chamber. Digging underneath the sphinx will expose it to great danger, the ground beneath it can collapse or shift, and it can be significantly damaged. There'd have to be a good reason to dig under neath it. And there is no good reason, because they've dug under it already and found nothing.

There is no chamber underneath the sphinx's paws.

Odium
where they found a chamber filled with water below the Sphinx however they did not investigate it

There is no chamber underneath the sphynx. They've dug beneath the paws, there simply is no chamber there.

Earth Angel
How are the stones perfectly smooth with no chissel marks?

They're not.

It would still take a heck of a lot of working out getting the stones in the correct place.

Indeed, its impressive.

It is simply finding that frequency that alters atoms which can then be manipulated. It isn't what i belive, it is what is logical once you understand the universe is a paulsation a heartbeat. Everything ripples.

This is a bizzare and suprisingly common misunderstanding of the wave properties of atoms, and indeed all objects. You can't simply hit a high tech tunning fork to a specific note or frequency and alter matter, and certainly not in the sense of changing the elements like you are saying above.

The coral castle info sounds realistic to me, so why not crack physics and learn how to levitate stones?

You'd be chasing a red herring if the guy didn't indeed make the stones levitate no? And if he did, these blocks and tackles would bear some evidence of how the technology works, which would allow it to be reverse engineered. Doesn't seem anyone's done anything like that at all. Probably because they aren't magento-levitating block and tackles.

The chemicals found on stones referance again Erich von daniken "In search of the Gods"

You should check the origninal citation, the place where he got it, which would be in the text, to see if that claim stands up to scrutiny.

The jelly info you won't find referances for that anywhere else, I can't explain it, I just seem to know things beyond school science with a little help from the spirit world.

IOW, you make stuff up and go with what 'feels' right. Check.
[quoet]just maybe I am right about this bit at least.

There is absolutely no reason to think that.

HALO77
and that is because the majority of scientist and philosophers are unaware of how closed minded they really are.

Scientists say that these things didn't exist because there is no evidence of any sort that they did exist.

How do they know?

How do you know that they know?

that hasnt been exposed to the public for security reasons im sure.

You are 'sure'? Thats not really much for anyone else to go on no?

but we must be willing to accept the fact that the things we see and may see as impossible are very much possible.

I think its pretty silly to say that scientists are close minded and can't see that what people think is immpossible is in fact possible, its practically a hallmark of science.

Then why was John Anthony West expelled from doing research in 1993 [after his seismic survey indicated the existence of several unexplored tunnels and cavities in the bedrock beneath the Sphinx] by Dr Zawi Hawass?

Why on April the 19th [1996] did Dr Zawi Hawass say there were tunnels under the Sphinx if it isn't true?

Joseph Schor and his team also backed up the findings by John Anthony West and said they found a chamber going in a West [I do believe] direction towards the pyramid from the Sphinx.

You have two different teams, finding the same thing and once they do Hawass has their licence pulled. Why?

And what about the interview with Linda Howe about the chambers when he again mentions it and says they will not open them.

Again what about Boris Said's findings?

There are interviews, where Hawass mentions them you have findings by three different people and yet there is nothing there?

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by speight89
Dig up the surrounding land around the Sphynx! They would be able to go underneath it, without causing any damage, and, if this chamber exists, they can enter and reveal what they have found to the whole world!

Helllloooo allllready done thaaatt.

They dug under teh sphinx, there was no chamber. Digging underneath the sphinx will expose it to great danger, the ground beneath it can collapse or shift, and it can be significantly damaged. There'd have to be a good reason to dig under neath it. And there is no good reason, because they've dug under it already and found nothing.

There is no chamber underneath the sphinx's paws.

This is probably true, but other "chambers" (non-mysterious) do exist and probably provide all the fuel needed for any of several internet firestorms on the subject. Here's Zahi Hawass' response to questions on the subject at Nova Online:

In 1980 I opened, in collaboration with Mark Lehner, a passage that opens at floor level on the northwest hind part of the Sphinx. This was reported to us by Mohammed Abd al-Mawgud Fayed, who had worked as a boy with the 1926 clearing of the Sphinx by Emile Baraize, engineer for the Antiquities Service...
...I had one brick-sized stone removed in order to check the story. Nearly half a century after he saw it, Mohammed picked just the right stone, for there was the passage...
... The passage is crudely cut, its sides are not straight, but there are cup-shaped foot-holds along the sides. It looks like an exploratory shaft.

From: Nova Online

This passageway is under/within the NW corner (rear end) of the Sphinx, not the paws. It was probably dug by robbers that held the same beliefs that many New Agers have today.

This interview was conducted in 1997. There have been other discoveries in the area since, including the significance of what Hawass has dubbed the "Osiris Shaft" (the shaft was already known, but not thought to be important until it was finally excavated.) This shaft exists below Kafre's causeway (the "road" leading from the great pyramid on past the sphinx).

Originally posted by Nygdan

Odium
where they found a chamber filled with water below the Sphinx however they did not investigate it

There is no chamber underneath the sphynx. They've dug beneath the paws, there simply is no chamber there.

Another statement from Hawass as the same site linked to above:

In 1980-81, we found that the lower part did indeed come to the water table, and just above this point the debris contained modern items - glass, cement, tin foil - evidence that Baraize had cleared and refilled the bottom of the passage before he sealed the opening by his restoration of the outer layer of masonry "skin".

The passage in the NW corner does extend down into the water table, but it's not anywhere near the front paws. Odium might be thinking of this, or the Osiris Shaft, which also is flooded with water in the bottom levels.

I know I linked the site, and I should believe that everyone will go there and read what's there, but just in case, I couldn't resist posting one more quote from Mark Lehner (noted Egyptologist) in response to the Nova Online questions concerning hidden chambers at the Sphinx:

When you hear about "sonar" readings of secret tunnels, you should ask: was this technique tested on known artificial structures, such as known tombs and passages, before it was used to produce evidence of "rooms and tunnels"? In 1977 SRI did such preliminary testing, for example, on tombs west of the Khafre Pyramid. Even so, it seems they could not eliminate "noise" (natural cavities) from "signal" ("rooms and tunnels"). Their remote sensing of the Sphinx and the Sphinx Temple produced three anomalies that they thought significant enough to drill, and then to probe with a micro-optics, down-hole miniature camera. Even the most promising anomaly - in the SE corner of the Sphinx ditch (where two major geological units, one very hard and one very soft, meet in a very irregular interface) turned out to be only natural cavities and irregularities in the rock.

Anyone here with any interest in the subject should go to the site I linked for more info.

Harte

I'm not saying the paw just chambers under it.

I don't care which part they are under, the fact is there are numerous reports from several people saying they've found chambers going back to the 1920's [and probably before.]

Originally posted by Odium
There are interviews, where Hawass mentions them you have findings by three different people and yet there is nothing there?

Precisely, there is nothing there, its been dug, and there simply isn't a chamber under the paws.

Odium might be thinking of this, or the Osiris Shaft, which also is flooded with water in the bottom levels.

Probably. These tunnels/cuttings do exist, and they are openly talked about. This further undermines the idea that Hawas is covering something up.

Odium
'm not saying the paw just chambers under it.

There are no chambers underneath the paws of the sphinx. Its been dug. its been excavated. Its been probed. There are no chambers there.

don't care which part they are under,

You should, since it makes a vital difference. This might explain why you think there is a discrepancy and a coverup. There were reports of scanning equipment that detected chambers under the paws. Hawass granted permission to dig, which is dangerous. They got well too the level that the supposed 'chamber' was supposed to be, and there was no chamber. After that, Hawas took a hard line on these kinds of claims, especially when people were specifically claiming that there was something under the paws, which had been excavated and found to not exist! Of course he pulls the permits on people trying to do this sort of thing, they've not done their research! What does exist are a number of other cuttings and tunnelings associated and in the sphinx. And Hawass has done the excavations on these himself. To claim that he is engaged in a coverup is baseless.

[edit on 7-9-2005 by Nygdan]

There are three different reports by different groups who all found something under there and then were refused access.

When did he let them dig to the level they wanted? I have an interview done on ArtBell in 1998 where he refused access to the pit and level it was meant to be at.

If it is so dangerous and it needs to be done so carefully, surely it'd take years? Only been 7 so far...yet to find a report showing the level they dug too and it being the same level the three groups found the chamber at.

The 1977 drill [by Stanford Research Institute] did not drill the area the latest [1990's sonar found.]

I have a few thoughts on the Giza Plateau as well.....Sphynx and Carbon Dating in particular


Carbon Dating........theres one other "ancient" artifact that
resists this as well.......The Shroud of Christ. Does anyone remeber
why?


Fire


Fire can change the results.......But now theres a new
problem.....where are you going to get a fire so huge that screws up
something as large as the sphynx in a land thats mostly dessert with
few trees?

From Space.........


I have seen documents about Egypt that describe its
destruction......Egypt also is coincidentaly close to the geographic
lattitude of the Yuctan, which brings up the possibilty of a reaccuring
event. I say that at one point in the very distant past, an asteroid
struck near Egypt, but it was far enough away that they were survivors
(I cannot for the life of me remember what it was that I was reading
that described Egypts destuction, but in that same book it tells of a
neiboring army that came in and witnessed what was left)

I say it was these people in pre-bible times that built the
sphynx......

I go on to say that the survivors went on to build the rest of Giza,
not only as a monument to there Kings, but also as a type of "bomb
shelter" In the event that something similar should happen to them in
the future. Theres no better wake up call the facing your own
extintion......and yes, before you all say it I accept the fact that I
may have lost my mind.....LOL