Can the brain learn to "read" radio waves???

Originally posted by Alexander Tau
Janson,

I know you are sincere and worried about what you see going on around you. If you are correct then the World is indeed in a whole lot of trouble. But as I just posted on your main Thread I do not think you are right about this.

The only reason I am posting this here is because of the following:

If your capabilities are real, go visit the local law enforcement folks and snoop around a little. If you see them in a convenience store or grocery store, THINK something REAL STUPID to yourself REAL LOUD (i.e., like "these guys SUCK"), and see if you get a reaction. If two of them start looking at one another and seem to be communicating something, yes through telepathy, you will know what is going on. If you care to pursue it further, confront them with what you just witnessed

This is such a bad idea I do not know where to begin. First, it does not take extreme psi abilities to pick up on strong thoughts/emotions. So the idea of thinking 'these guys suck' at a group of police is just a really bad idea. You might get a reaction, but it would not be pleasant. They are trained to pick-up on subtle signs of both hostility and guily, do not tempt fate this way.

Second, if they did indeed have the abilities you mention it would be beyond belief that they would show it in the manner you describe. If they just picked up on something via psi, and are going to act upon what they learned, they are certainly not going to communicate via psi in front of you.

And finally, if you did get a reaction to your thoughts, and you indeed thought they were communicating via psi, the LAST thing you should do is confront them. If you were lucky they would just laugh you off, if you were unlucky you would soon be dead.

If you wish to investigate this idea you have to be both subtle and careful about it. You do not challenge someone who has all the cards when all you are holding is a 2, does that make any sense?

Observe certainly, document where possible, but beyond all that, learn about psi yourself. Develop your own abilities, for defense.
A.T
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I AM VERY SINCERE AND VERY CONVINCED OF THIS. I am not asking you or anyone to believe what I have set forth, just to LOOK, and conduct the experiments I have proposed.

I am concerned, however that in the other thread you specifically called out police and indicated they are NOT sensitive, and not prone to “psi” capabilities, only looking for facts. But here you indicate they may pick up on strong telepathic transfer. I believe this technology is out there, and eventually you can find it if you look.

And Hey, if you feel uncomfortable THINKING “These Guys SUCK,” then try something different, like ...

“THESE GUYS ARE THE BEST AND THE BRIGHTEST, and I’ve lived in many cities across the country.” See if you get a smile or smirk or something. Better yet, think of your own phrase, one you are comfortable with, and one you feel may obtain some type of reaction, like a smile or a smirk.

And about being afraid to confront, or talk to your police. WHY? They are people too. Tell them what you were doing and try discussing it with them. If they got what you transferred, and you obtain a clear indication they did, then tell them that. If they don’t want to talk about it, I believe you will get that indication pretty quick.

A.T, I would be interested to hear what degree of psi capabilities you feel you have. I have read several threads that make a lot of cense and describe some of the things I have been witnessing. Here, with these posts, I am merely requesting others to investigate something I have seen to exist with some very simple and harmless tests. I know what I am describing to be true, or a whole swarm of psi talented people have zeroed in on me. That I don’t think is likely.




[edit on 26-8-2005 by janson0202]

[edit on 26-8-2005 by janson0202]

Interesting because I ran into something like this a little while back. I was sitting in the car with my ex-girlfriend asking for a sign if we should retry our relationship. The song we shared while together started playing in my head, I turned on the radio and sure enough it was playing! Not sure what to make of it, coincidence or what not but it sure sent shivers throughout my body.

I think Vagabond's observation is very interesting. His basic notion is that the brain (or something that is connected to the nervous system) can sense radio waves and that, over time, it begins to associate radio patterns with the songs they are producing on the radio. The implication is that the brain can not only sense such signals... but that it can sense them with such detail that it can differentiate between precise radio patterns.

One issue with this, however, is that, at any given moment, dozens of songs and talk shows are being 'beamed' through the cubic space that a person is inhabiting. So, when listening to a song, the brain should also -- if it can sense radio waves -- be picking up all of those other programs, thus making the formation of a pavlovian reaction difficult. One can, however, argue that the brain, over time, learns to associate the patters it is picking up with the song being played over the radio (making it a reciever/player itself).

This would all be quite easy to dismiss if the sensitivity of humans to EM fields hadn't already been introduced to the field of the paranormal by... skeptics themselves (who use such sensitivity to explain ghost sightings). We all, I think, have had the same experience as well.

OIMD is right that the other signals would present a challenge to the theory- unless of course the brain can differentiate patterns on different frequencies- in effect that the brain is so sensitive that it can pick out a single familiar pattern amidst the din of dozens if not hundreds of signals.

That would be all the more impressive, if it was indeed happening that way, and not by percieving what other people are hearing as Alexander Tau suggested.

Entrainment

Entrainment can be defined as “ the tendency for two oscillating bodies to lock into phase so that they vibrate in harmony. It is also defined as a synchronization of two or more rhythmic cycles. The principle of entrainment is universal, appearing in chemistry, pharmacology, biology, medicine, psychology, sociology, astronomy, architecture and more”

www.planetpuna.com...

The link is very interesting in that it gives a brief yet fairly concise and sufficient description of the dolphin anatomy and how they are able to communicate. Definately give it a look see.....

But what do dolphins have to do with this thread? Well........you see......dolphins "see" with sound. A significant portion of their brain is dedicated to the propagatioon and identification of sound waves, able to produce a wide range of frequencies.......this doesn't iomeediately seem important, yet consider that dolphins as an intelligence evolved in a 'thicker' medium then we humans have in an oxygenated environment.

Sound and radio waves are different you say?

Yup. But they both travel roughly the same way. Waves. And this is where entrainment comes into play.....the frequency of the radio playing the song in example for this thread was previously listened to and previously associated. Which means that your brain already had a 'file' set up for it. The attenuation of the subsequent repetition would most likely be instantaneous, do to the immediate recognition of the invisible transmission before being consciously presented. The subconscious is very powerful and will pre-empt the conscious mind in every instance. Indeed, the reasoning for conscious assimilation is usually the result of either a pleasurable anticipation or relevant threat..(relevant being defined on an individual basis).

The fact that you turned the radio on in anticipation of the song, Vagabond, tells me that you enjoyed the song which means a chemical marker could have been associated with the particular frequency.....that would satisfy the condition brought up by OIMD.......enjoying something, anything, precludes a chemical association in the brain with every physical stimulus present at the time and that chemical association is the conditioning factor......

On a similar note, I woke up one morning when the Cranberries had just released their sophomore effort to Everyone Else Is Doing It So Why Can't We?, and was runnning the song 'Zombie' in my head.....turned on the radio because that is what I usually did at the time and guess what song played?.........It was my favorite song at the time.....which leads me to think that chemical associations would indeed allow for recognition of 'invisible frequencies'......

Alexander Tau.......always a pleasure to read your calm and rational approach.....

[edit on 26-8-2005 by MemoryShock]

If you think your theory is right, then go sit under the radio transmitting tower and correctly guess 9 out of the next 10 songs.

I've worked on radio systems since 1976 and have never heard of anyone that can decipher AM or FM radio stations. The air waves are filled with literally thousands of signals. TV, FM Radio, AM Radio, cell phones, pagers, police - fire - ambulance calls, taxi calls, business calls, airplanes, weather service, CB, Ham radio, cordless phones, telephone microwave, satellite signals beaming down for radio, TV, pagers, phones...

And you want to believe that you can pick out one signal and "hear" it? FM radio has been popular for 35 years and only now this is happening?

More than likely this "phenomenon" is because radio stations keep repeating songs until it is driven into your brain and then keep repeating it every 10 minutes until no one is sane anymore. Your likelihood of turning on the radio during that song is high because that is about the only thing played.

Even you admitted it only happens 5-10 times a year. Not very high numbers.

More than likely this "phenomenon" is because radio stations keep repeating songs until it is driven into your brain and then keep repeating it every 10 minutes until no one is sane anymore. Your likelihood of turning on the radio during that song is high because that is about the only thing played.

I knew somebody was going to suggest something like this, only surprised it took this long.

Here is the point you are missing: Singing a song and then turning on the radio at the SAME point you are at in your singing.

Sure if it was just 'I was thinking of a song and it was on when I turned on the radio' then your suggestion would make sense, but this is different. Any explaination has to address this key issue.


Interestingly enough I was talking to a friend last night who has had the same experience. That gave me a chance to query him on a bunch of specifics like 'Do you know anything at all about reading lips?', to which he replied 'no'. Lip reading of someone else in another car could be responsible for a single event, but when you have multiples it really does not work unless you are actually trained in lip reading. He also has had this happen to him more than once.

My original thought on the explaination seemed to work for my friend as well which is certainly not proof but I have found that people do have some sense for truth. If he had completely rejected the notion that might have given me pause.


And MemoryShock, thank you for the kind words, comming from you they mean quite a bit.


A.T
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[edit on 8/26/05 by Alexander Tau]

Originally posted by Qwas
If you think your theory is right, then go sit under the radio transmitting tower and correctly guess 9 out of the next 10 songs.

I probably could, provided of course that they were all songs that I had heard many many times on that frequency, and that any factors which may influence perception were absolutely optimal. Realistically though, the combination of a learned pattern and optimum perception will be fairly rare.
I wonder if we could calculate the odds of doing this?
Take the percent of all broadcasting within transmitting range of yourself which is dedicated to playing any one given song (as a decimal). Multiply that by the percent of the songs length represented by any given line (as a decimal). Multiply that by the percent of your time (as a decimal) which you spend thinking about songs. At this point you have an EXTREMELY small decimal number which represents the odds of turning on the radio to find that you are perfectly on time with a song you weren't listening to. If the percentage of times when you think of songs without being prompted by first hearing music and experience this phenomenon is significantly greater than that exceptionally small number- you are outside of probability and should search for other explanations.
The odds would have to be outright astronomical, especially for multiple experiences.

I've worked on radio systems since 1976 and have never heard of anyone that can decipher AM or FM radio stations.

I never suggested decipherment. I only suggested subconscious awareness of the presence of and variations in a signal. The variations are probably not understood, but can never the less be associated with an experience.
For example, suppose that every time you got a chill down your spine, somebody kicked you right in the butt immediately afterward. Even if you didn't understand the chill down your spine, you'd eventually figure out that it meant you were about to be kicked in the butt.

The air waves are filled with literally thousands of signals.

On different frequencies. We already know that the human brain can pick out one set of data from a clutter according to frequency. That's why you can more or less understand someone who is talking to you over the dull roar of a crowded room- you can choose to ignore background noise and hone in on a recognizeable pattern. I'm simply suggesting that the human brain can somehow sense the effects of radio waves and apply similiar recognition (but not understanding) to them.

And you want to believe that you can pick out one signal and "hear" it? FM radio has been popular for 35 years and only now this is happening?

Actually it's probably been happening and being written off as coincidence for 35 years or more.

Your likelihood of turning on the radio during that song is high because that is about the only thing played.

Not a bad attempt, but the last time I experienced this phenomenon was a few months ago, with Kenny Rogers "Coward of the County". 1. I like the song but I don't particularly think of it unless I've heard it recently. 2. I used to listen to a country station between 4 and 8 hours a day at work, 7 days a week, and its not hard to go a month without hearing that song.

A slightly less glaring example was last year with a No Doubt song from the Tragic Kingdom album- that stuff hasn't seen the top 40 since I was in middle school.

I have the same thing. I researched google and found this site by typing in the question "can your brain recognize radio waves"?. I have this happen to me alot, way more than 5 times a year. More like once a week. I will have a song in my head sort of singing along in my own mind and when I get in my truck and turn the ignition the song on the radio goes exactly with what was in my head without missing a beat including words and all. I'm not some drugged out weirdo either. I've been in the Navy for almost 10 years and am in a very technical rate. I am also musically inclined and make my own, which may or may not make a difference. Comments are welcome.