NEWS: Report Published By IAEA Vindicates Iran

An independant investigation published by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has concluded that weapons grade Uranium found in Iran actually did come from contaminated equipment from Pakistan. The discoverey of the weapons grade Uranium was seized upon by the Bush administration as proof positive of its "strong belief" that the Iranians were attempting to build nuclear weapons. The United States has criticised this latest IAEA report.



So this report brings us back to "strong belief" as the sole basis for the Bush administration's claim that the Iranians are aiming for nuclear weapons. One has to wonder why the U.S only backs reports that mesh with their aims. There is no suggestion that this report is biased or flawed in any way, the Bush administration just criticises it and chooses to disregard its findings because of a hunch.

This news is important. The likelyhood of U.S military intervention is low but that is not to say the Iranians wont retaliate themselves if slapped with crippling and unwarranted U.N sanctions.

It is high time we were shown just why the Bush administration has "strong beliefs", failing that they should cease and desist with their constant rhetoric over Iran.

[edit on 24/8/05 by subz]

I am so glad that BBC reported this...
CNN isn't....

Humm....
do we see how this works yet kids?
if Bushco don't want the info put in american media... it isn't...
no media wants to lose its white house press corp invitation...

the info doesn't fit with the developing propaganda plan, so it will disappear.

Much like the info that said that Saddam DIDN'T have WMD...

I really hope one of the american media outlets develops some genitals and puts this out there...

Oi Vie we all know where strong beliefs in this administration lead...right to the graveyard. If the shrub tries to start another war, I honestly believe this country will explode, between the true believers who feel that bush etal can do no wrong and the rest of us who are throughly disgusted with him and his cronies...it could get real ugly and could very well lead to his fall. After all even Rick Sanatorium is enough of a pragamitist to know which side his bread is buttered on and that if push comes to shove will distance himself far enough from the white house to ahve a fighting chance of getting re-elected.

Originally posted by grover
Oi Vie we all know where strong beliefs in this administration lead...right to the graveyard. If the shrub tries to start another war, I honestly believe this country will explode, between the true believers who feel that bush etal can do no wrong and the rest of us who are throughly disgusted with him and his cronies...it could get real ugly and could very well lead to his fall. After all even Rick Sanatorium is enough of a pragamitist to know which side his bread is buttered on and that if push comes to shove will distance himself far enough from the white house to ahve a fighting chance of getting re-elected.

I totally agree with what you have said. My only concern is that there will be another "terrorist attack" and magically linked to Iran, just as 911 was linked to Iraq - sad thing is, many people here still believe that Iraq was somehow behind 911.

Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
I am so glad that BBC reported this...
CNN isn't....

Humm....
do we see how this works yet kids?
if Bushco don't want the info put in american media... it isn't...
no media wants to lose its white house press corp invitation...

the info doesn't fit with the developing propaganda plan, so it will disappear.

Much like the info that said that Saddam DIDN'T have WMD...

I really hope one of the american media outlets develops some genitals and puts this out there...

Agreed. Liberal run media my arse! With all of the anti Iran sentiment that has been going on lately, this is HUGE news!

The current research (as mentioned) was carried out by scientists from The United States, France, Japan, Britain and Russia.

The original source disclosing ‘possible’ findings concerning the contaminated equipment was the IAEA.

The equipment is mentioned in brief as item number 40 under ‘findings’ contained in the IAEA November 2004 IAEA Report. The afore mentioned equipment is only one item and in no way can vindicate all of Iran’s previous activities and actions. The questioning of other multiple ‘activities’ are also found within the same report (mostly all still unanswered) largely consisting of items Iran never declared, declared only after being questioned or fully concealed (including nearly all advanced enrichment activities) for twenty plus years. ‘Strong beliefs’ can be derived from the IAEA report alone (read under ‘failure to report’ from above link) Iran itself has caused the 'Strong Distrust'.


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What ARE you talking about Clyde?

It does nothing of the kind...

It only serves to secure the source/routing of the materials.

Further, one only has to look in the eyes of the Iranian leaders to understand their total hate of the West and more unfortunately their absolute hate of the Jews.

Everyone knows what the Iranians are up to. Everyone knows what the Iranians are going to do with the first two nuclear weapons they actually develop. Everyone knows exactly what Irans support does to keep this religious war going from Israel all the way across to Iran.

It is really great that everyone wants to Deny Hate, Deny Ignorance, etc. etc... But it would just seem the first meaningful step in such an accomplishment would be to stop lying to yourselves... the way I see reflected in the previous posts.

It is really tragic to see one of the worlds true treasures Persia and its peoples in the clutches of such hatemongers.

Originally posted by golemina

Everyone knows what the Iranians are up to. Everyone knows what the Iranians are going to do with the first two nuclear weapons they actually develop.

It is really great that everyone wants to Deny Hate, Deny Ignorance, etc. etc... But it would just seem the first meaningful step in such an accomplishment would be to stop lying to yourselves...

It is really great that you have such insight... you know exactly what they are up to? you know exactly what they will do with the first two bombs?
I bet you know what they eat for breakfast also...

Unfortunalty, much of america is as ignorant as you are... how many iranians have you spoken with? how many mullahs do you know? why is it that only american media seems to see the 'dastardlyness" of Iran...

Are you thinking that Iran today, is the same iran that kidnapped the hostages?
Do you know that an average of 70% of young iranians want changes that would westernize the country? They want movies, and video games... they want the same things you want, and they don't like extremists any more than you do...
Bush has stated clearly who the enemy is... it is the extremists (the wahhabists)... not the mainstream muslims (many of which dont like us, but don't want to fatwah us either)
Do you drive a car?.... If you do, you contribute to terrorism as much, if not more, than the Iranian government.
the MAIN bastion of wahhabism (extremism) is Saudi Arabia...(it is the official religion)
NOT IRAN...

here is another link, that shows attacking iran would be attacking our greatest moral ally in the middle east... (outside israel)
It was posted on, but not originating from the most conservative website on line...
free republic even agrees... iranians are our friends



[edit on 25-8-2005 by LazarusTheLong]

I'm never one to agree with dubya but on Iran working hard on a Nuclear Weapons Program, I have to. Would you want to be the rich kid on the block and have no repect? If they don't get the bomb soon, we'll be after their oil before they can sell it all to China. With the bomb they will have more influence over the Iraqi Shiites than we ever will.

What planet you living on there LazarusTheLong?

AEIOU...

You sounded like you could us a vowel with all of those sweeping generalizations you seemed SO intent at laying at my door.

Your rationalizations make for a very nice children bedtimes story... But in the real world, Iran is judged by its actions (a net exporter of death, destruction, terrorism...), not by what it (or its propagandists ) say/s.

You do understand that all of your Iranian Western consumer goods wannabes opinions and desires don't really count for much... The course of Iran is entirely in the hands of those beady-eyed guys with beards.

>'Unfortunalty, much of america is as ignorant as you are... '
Do I really NEED to respond?

We'll chalk this statement and your much too numerous (to actually attempt a response) factual errors in your post to the entertainment factor so many of us ATSers really enjoy on a daily basis.

Originally posted by golemina
Further, one only has to look in the eyes of the Iranian leaders to understand their total hate of the West and more unfortunately their absolute hate of the Jews.

Everyone knows what the Iranians are up to. Everyone knows what the Iranians are going to do with the first two nuclear weapons they actually develop. Everyone knows exactly what Irans support does to keep this religious war going from Israel all the way across to Iran.

Spot on, even my great-grandmother could call this one from the stands.


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Originally posted by golemina
What planet you living on there LazarusTheLong?

AEIOU...

You sounded like you could us a vowel with all of those sweeping generalizations you seemed SO intent at laying at my door.

Your rationalizations make for a very nice children bedtimes story... But in the real world, Iran is judged by its actions (a net exporter of death, destruction, terrorism...), not by what it (or its propagandists

) say/s.

You do understand that all of your Iranian Western consumer goods wannabes opinions and desires don't really count for much... The course of Iran is entirely in the hands of those beady-eyed guys with beards.

OK, that was a pretty broad generalization in itself. Why not share with us your bedtime story(pertaining to the bold)? Facts please, leave the rhetoric and propaganda at the door.

I'm sorry Intrepid... I guess I really shouldn't be laughing...

Could you help a brother out? I'm reading your words, but it is not exactly registering. Is it maybe a language barrier of some kind? Did you use some kind of automated translation tool?

I sense your ire and I presume you think your response is some kind of brilliant repartee, but I got to tell you... Huh?

Give it another shot... OK?

Originally posted by golemina

I'm sorry Intrepid... I guess I really shouldn't be laughing...

Could you help a brother out? I'm reading your words, but it is not exactly registering. Is it maybe a language barrier of some kind? Did you use some kind of automated translation tool?

I sense your ire and I presume you think your response is some kind of brilliant repartee, but I got to tell you... Huh?

Give it another shot... OK?

It's not hard mate. Intrepid is asking YOU to back up your claims with some sort of facts, rather than spouting the rhetoric you have been spoonfed.

Your rationalizations make for a very nice children bedtimes story... But in the real world, Iran is judged by its actions (a net exporter of death, destruction, terrorism...),

He is hinting at you to explain this "bed-time" story you are hinting at. A net exporter of death, destruction and terrorism? Does that mean they import it too, but not as much?

The US and the UK could be seen as net exporters too, you know, using that very definition. More Iraqi's and Afghans have died at the hands of the Allies than they in turn have inflicted upon us, making us net exporters too.....something to think about.

I bet you think that the Iranians are in bed with OBL? Well, let me clue you in....

OBL is a Wahhabi, a sect within the Sunni brand of Islam.

Iran is Shia.

The two groups do not get on at the best of times and spend most of the time fighting and bickering with each other, so do you really think that Iran would give any kind of support, let alone a nuclear weapon to your bogieman and their ideological enemy?

I think not.

Thats like Hitler giving Stalin control of the Wehrmacht or General Mccarthy giving the Soviets a couple of nukes as a christmas present, it aint going to happen sunshine.

[edit on 26/8/05 by stumason]

Originally posted by golemina
What ARE you talking about Clyde?

It does nothing of the kind...

I assume you are talking to me by challenging the word "vindicates" as I authoured this thread. Well for starters, the Iranians always maintained that the weapons-grade Uranium that was discovered by the IAEA must of been contamination from Pakistan. The Americans said the Iranians were lying and used it to base their "strong belief" that the Iranians are aiming for nuclear weapons. This independant report published by the IAEA confirms the Iranians story of the weapons-grade Uranium being contamination from Pakistan.

vindicate
1. To clear of accusation, blame, suspicion, or doubt with supporting arguments or proof:
2. To provide justification or support for: vindicate one's claim.
3. To justify or prove the worth of, especially in light of later developments.
4. To defend, maintain, or insist on the recognition of (one's rights, for example).
5. To exact revenge for; avenge.

Do you blame me from standing behind my use of the above word?

Originally posted by golemina
It only serves to secure the source/routing of the materials.

That maybe so but you are missing the point of this thread. This proves that the Iranians, once again, are being honest and truthful with the IAEA and once again, the Americans are being creative with "the truth" to further their agenda.

Originally posted by golemina
Further, one only has to look in the eyes of the Iranian leaders to understand their total hate of the West and more unfortunately their absolute hate of the Jews.

Oh please

Originally posted by golemina
Everyone knows what the Iranians are up to.

Sure they do, thats why we've seen unequivocal evidence from the Bush administration to support their "strong belief" havent we. This is the real problem facing Western society IMO. "Everyone" is so convinced the Iranians are aiming for nuclear weapons based on nothing more than the "strong beliefs" of a conflict-of-interest-ridden group of men in power. They have provided no evidence to proove what they claim yet its taken as gospel.

Originally posted by golemina
Everyone knows what the Iranians are going to do with the first two nuclear weapons they actually develop. Everyone knows exactly what Irans support does to keep this religious war going from Israel all the way across to Iran.

So the Iranians are going to launch a nuclear strike on Israel. Israel is not a very large country and the major population centers are around Jerusalem. Ever heard of the Temple Mount? You know, one of the most sacred sites known to Islam. Are you sitting there and telling me that the Iranian religious zealot mullahs are going to vapourize one of Islams holiest shrines?

And what about the fact that the Israelis also have nuclear weapons and are protected by the also nuclear equiped United States. Do the religious zealot mullahs of Iran think that as soon as they launch their Temple Mount vapourizing nukes that they too will be vapourized. What would they gain from such an attack? They wouldnt win, they'd lose power, they'd destroy many Islamic religious sites and thats about the gist of it. You might think they have beedy eyes but are you also telling me they are brain-dead?

Originally posted by golemina
It is really great that everyone wants to Deny Hate, Deny Ignorance, etc. etc... But it would just seem the first meaningful step in such an accomplishment would be to stop lying to yourselves... the way I see reflected in the previous posts.

You base that on what exactly? More "strong beliefs"? Can you provide corroborating evidence that supports your stance that the Iranians are infact developing nuclear weapons and that they also plan on using them to nuke Israel. Please, if you have such evidence I would be inclined to eat my words and agree with you. You also might want to apply for an NIO position to inform the White House of your revelations.

Originally posted by golemina
It is really tragic to see one of the worlds true treasures Persia and its peoples in the clutches of such hatemongers.

I suppose the mullahs are worse than the Shah was, right? He was the U.S backed/installed monarch of Persia, but this was ok right? Because he did what his American patrons said, right?

Originally posted by golemina

I'm sorry Intrepid... I guess I really shouldn't be laughing...

You are correct, you probably shouldnt be laughing when the ATSNN moderator tells you something.

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Before we get started... Good thread.

golemina: 'I'm sorry Intrepid... I guess I really shouldn't be laughing...

You are correct, you probably shouldnt be laughing when the ATSNN moderator tells you something'

I'm not really going to worry about it. Some of the moderators tend to be heavy handed, some of the moderators are pretty savvy. They more than have my permission to change my words/posts/opinions to say whatever pleases them...

>'I assume you are talking to me by challenging the word "vindicates" as I authoured this thread. Well for starters, the Iranians always maintained that the weapons-grade Uranium that was discovered by the IAEA must of been contamination from Pakistan. The Americans said the Iranians were lying and used it to base their "strong belief" that the Iranians are aiming for nuclear weapons. This independant report published by the IAEA confirms the Iranians story of the weapons-grade Uranium being contamination from Pakistan.

vindicate
1. To clear of accusation, blame, suspicion, or doubt with supporting arguments or proof:
2. To provide justification or support for: vindicate one's claim.
3. To justify or prove the worth of, especially in light of later developments.
4. To defend, maintain, or insist on the recognition of (one's rights, for example).
5. To exact revenge for; avenge.

Do you blame me from standing behind my use of the above word?'

All excellent stuff. The only problem is issues, especially issues in the Middle East, don't exist in a vacuum. To understand the real significance of this particular issue, Iran wanting to acquire nuclear weapons , it is necessary to examine the issue as one single thread in the broad tapestry.

Further one also needs to take into account the Arab/Muslim tendency towards mendacity especially that displayed by Arabs/Muslims to the Western world and non-believers.

>'That maybe so but you are missing the point of this thread. This proves that the Iranians, once again, are being honest and truthful with the IAEA and once again, the Americans are being creative with "the truth" to further their agenda. '

Everyone everywhere is creative with 'the truth' when attempting to advance their viewpoint/cause.

What's important is this point is really not important when you look at the big picture, Irans clandestine portion of their nuclear program , which puts this specific event in a much different context.


>golemina: 'Further, one only has to look in the eyes of the Iranian leaders to understand their total hate of the West and more unfortunately their absolute hate of the Jews.

Oh please '

That may be your opinion, but you see I read eyes. Whooooo... very scary concept, not to mention a handy tool... I work with autistic children , just think of it as just another language.

Bottom line is the leadership served up for interviews with the West are very scary people... and more importantly fully intent on developing nuclear weapons. Psst! They think they are the great protectors of Islam.

>'Sure they do, thats why we've seen unequivocal evidence from the Bush administration to support their "strong belief" havent we. This is the real problem facing Western society IMO. "Everyone" is so convinced the Iranians are aiming for nuclear weapons based on nothing more than the "strong beliefs" of a conflict-of-interest-ridden group of men in power. They have provided no evidence to proove what they claim yet its taken as gospel.'

You really need to explain to me what the Bush administration has to do with this concept. Your viewpoint reverberates with the echos of conversations elsewhere... I couldn't care less what GW and friends are saying/doing. This is strictly about Iran, its aspirations for becoming a nuclear power, and more importantly their STATED intent of wiping the Jewish state off of the face of the Earth.

>'So the Iranians are going to launch a nuclear strike on Israel. Israel is not a very large country and the major population centers are around Jerusalem. Ever heard of the Temple Mount? You know, one of the most sacred sites known to Islam. Are you sitting there and telling me that the Iranian religious zealot mullahs are going to vapourize one of Islams holiest shrines? '

Please the Temple Mount is just another fairy tale... Just another fiber buried deep in the tapestry of Muslim faith & mendacity. When the Temple Mount was knowingly built on the ruins of the Jewish religious temples, it was more about extending Muslim domination to that part of the world. It really has no true religious significance other than that acquired by denying the Jews their holiest shrine.

So the bottom line is fond memories of the Temple Mount would bring a tear to the eyes of all true believers as would the thought of all the collateral Muslim martyrs, but would simply be viewed as the price that needed to be paid to rid Islam once and for all of the state of Israel.

>'And what about the fact that the Israelis also have nuclear weapons and are protected by the also nuclear equiped United States. Do the religious zealot mullahs of Iran think that as soon as they launch their Temple Mount vapourizing nukes that they too will be vapourized. What would they gain from such an attack? They wouldnt win, they'd lose power, they'd destroy many Islamic religious sites and thats about the gist of it. You might think they have beedy eyes but are you also telling me they are brain-dead?'

Are you familiar with the fable of the scorpion?

Do you really believe that paragraph you wrote?

Let me ask you a couple of questions... Who did the Americans nuke after 9/11? Who did the Brits nuke after London was bombed? You getting the drift yet?

Who would anyone nuke after Tel Aviv gets nuked?

Guess what time it is?

Yes... You got it! Here...

AEIOU

The attack on Tel Aviv would be carried out with exactly the same methodology as that used to attack Israel on a daily basis... with the exception that this would be a new XYZ martyrs/brigade/* group no one ever heard of.

golemina :'It is really great that everyone wants to Deny Hate, Deny Ignorance, etc. etc... But it would just seem the first meaningful step in such an accomplishment would be to stop lying to yourselves... the way I see reflected in the previous posts.

You base that on what exactly? More "strong beliefs"? Can you provide corroborating evidence that supports your stance that the Iranians are infact developing nuclear weapons and that they also plan on using them to nuke Israel. Please, if you have such evidence I would be inclined to eat my words and agree with you. You also might want to apply for an NIO position to inform the White House of your revelations.'

It would seem good friend you have taken the definition of ludicrous to heights never seen before.

Do you really believe the Iranians are releasing secret documents/evidence to be indexed by Google just to facilitate this discussion?

Let me break it down for you... IF the Iranians truly wanted to develop nuclear power for generating electricity, there are a lot of different approaches that could have taken to avoid the current state of affairs.

Tell me, does the fact that the Muslims have been trying to destroy the state of Israel for something like the last 50 years.... Does that ever come into play in your thinking?

I know. I know...

Hezbollah is really just a bunch of guys getting together playing cards... right?

golemina: 'It is really tragic to see one of the worlds true treasures Persia and its peoples in the clutches of such hatemongers.

I suppose the mullahs are worse than the Shah was, right? He was the U.S backed/installed monarch of Persia, but this was ok right? Because he did what his American patrons said, right?'

What exactly does the Shah have to do with this issue?

Did you forget to take some stuff out in your cut-n-paste efforts?

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...Signifying nothing.

Golemina:
Oh please oh please, learn to use the quote button.

I will not quote specifics, since it would be impossible to do so with the lack of coherance in your post...

It makes for a very hard read...

back to the topic: Obviously the gist of the thread is becoming the various interpretations of propaganda coming from both sides.

I have a great idea... lets all come to our OWN conclusions based upon facts, not propaganda... It is much better than thinking what your government WANTS you to think, just because it serves their purpose...

IMO that Iranian leadership is tolerable, and workable... not great, but certainly not as bad as dealing with SA, or Syria...

the up and coming generations want westernization... and will have it eventually...(when they come of age, and take power positions)

IMO that they also want Nuclear weapons, can you blame them?
IMO that they would take the same MAD stance as every other nation that has NUKES... why would they be different? just because they are muslims?

IMO While they are developing Power stations, they will be developing the brain trust that will produce their first bomb...

We can prevent them from having a viable nuclear weapon by using the regulator agencies methods of monitoring...(of which Iran has agreed to full disclosure)

For anybody that says they will use the bomb at first opportunity, the proof is on you... because they could have bought the russian black market bombs at any time, but didn't (or didn't use them yet)
Either way... it proves they are not the bloodthirsty crazies that would blow up their own people to destroy israel... or else it would be done...

I too would ask golemina to familarize him or herself with the quote function to aid readabilty

golemina, I stuck it out and read your post and it boiled down to your belief that the Iranians (and muslims in general) lie to the West and that their leaders have shifty beedy eyes. Does that about cover it? Did I miss any nuances in there?

You see, you might cite the absence of Iran's plans being indexed on Google as an excuse as to why you cannot prove their intent but that just indicates that what you are claiming to be fact is nothing more than heresay and conjecture.

THERE IS NO PROOF

Also the modern Iranian leadership are also on the record as saying that they have a no-first-strike policy against Israel i.e. they will not attack Israel unless the Israeli's attack first. This, however, doesnt gel with the propaganda being repeated ad nauseam in our mainstream media so it is almost always discarded in lieu of the old vitriolic rhetoric of Iran's past leaders.

"They will not hesitate to strike Iran if they are capable of it. However, their threats to attack Irans nuclear facilities cannot be realised. They are aware Tehrans reaction will be so harsh that Israel will be wiped off the face of the earth and US interests will be easily damaged," he warned.

The commander asserted that Iran would not initiate a conflict, but in retaliation to any attack has proved itself to be "harsh, assertive, hard-hitting and destructive."

Spacewar.com

The above quote is from Commander Seyed Masood Jazayeri, Public relations head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards. I bolded the important part of his quote. The Iranian military PR head is asserting that Iran will not initiate a conflict but will retaliate if attacked. How is that unreasonable?

But statements like this are ignored in favour of quoting seething, faceless (and unreliable) crowds of protestors chanting "Death to America". Why is more stock put into comments such as "Death to America" from unnamed and unverified and ultimately powerless protestors than there is for a Commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard? Why? Because it doesnt fit in with the propaganda that is being spread about the Iranians as a casus belli for invading and/or regime change.

Is proof too much to ask for?

[edit on 26/8/05 by subz]

that the contents of your posts seems to reflect what passes for 'analysis' by you and some other members of this site.

You seem bent on trying to contain this topic in an XbyY cartoon world with the characters than populate it fueled by wishful thinking.

I'm sorry to inform you Subz, not only does the real world not exactly conform to that XbyY model, it is far more complex and sophisticated than what you are selling.

I'm also really sorry that my attempt to treat your former post point by point... Hey, the formatting wasn't a problem for me (I sometimes read hex dumps/binary code in my spare time , I guess it's a matter of ability to focus and attention to detail... as a bono fide viewing of events involving real dialog, real analysis is responded to with this farcial "Israel will be 'wiped off earth' if it attacks Iran: Revolutionary Guards" mother of all quotes.

It's good to see that Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf has found gainful employment.

Since you have no real interest in significant dialog, I'll just cut to the bottom line... The neocons run the USA and their plan is still to drain the swamp of gators and it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of guys.

The only real questions are who's next... and when... and how few days the next mighty warrior Muslim nation will take to crumble when the action begins.

And there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop it.

You have a nice day.




[edit on 26-8-2005 by golemina]

Originally posted by golemina
Further, one only has to look in the eyes of the Iranian leaders to understand their total hate of the West and more unfortunately their absolute hate of the Jews.

A few facts for you. Outside of Israel Iran has the greatest population of Jews in the middle east. All your great allies that neighbour Israel dont have as a big a Jewish population as Iran. Second the Jewiosh people are represnted by their own member in the parliamnet. This is guranteed in the constitution. Yes, that sounds like a country that hates all the Jews.

[edit on 26-8-2005 by Sep]