Hurricane Katrina

Originally posted by masqua

Well said

Fish etc have allso washed up into the city, see lions

[edit on 30/8/05 by The Surrealist]

You dont need to watch the movies anymore

www.latimes.com...

Picts and movies of Katrinas wake.

Ok here comes my shallow moment for the week. The insured damage from this storm will be in the area of $25 billion. This doesn't count what FEMA hands out or whatever money comes from the government. This is in addition to Dennis and the other storms that have hit this year plus all the storms from last year. What does that bring the two year damage total to? $50 billion? $75 billion? You and I end up paying for that. And the people receiving the checks will be allow to rebuild in the same places. This means you and I will continue paying for their unwillingness to move. At what point do we say "no more?" How many billions of dollars should be spent on this year after year? This effects our property insurances rates. This effects our taxes. They should plot a 50 mile buffer zone all the way along the gulf coat and up the Atlantic coast from Key West to Philadelphia and make them inelligible to federal aid and insurance payments for damage sustained during tropical systems.

If they were willing, where do you relocate the millions of people along the coast from Texas to New England to??? What happens to the industries that relies on coastal and ocean access???

Originally posted by Indy
They should plot a 50 mile buffer zone all the way along the gulf coat and up the Atlantic coast from Key West to Philadelphia and make them inelligible to federal aid and insurance payments for damage sustained during tropical systems.

I think, judging by some of the related remarks I've heard on the news this evening, that many of these anti-environmentalist who pushed for more more more and ignored the potential risks are finally waking up to this reality....

Who's to say we'll actually make these kinds of policy changes though...And we can't simply push cities back that already exist, although it seems the hurricanes certainly can...

You're right, it's a lesson we should learn from....I just don't think we have the tenacity, willpower or the required funding in this country anymore to undertake this dilemma....

If you step back and take a look around at what's been happening in the world and in our own political environment these past few years, and you can really begin to see the branches of this tree poking out all over the place....

I know I may sound melodramatic here, but if you consider the great cultures that came before us, they really plummeted shortly after they reached their peak....It was quick, succinct and came without much notice....

There are things in motion now (not simply after this devastating storm) that I can only describe as clear signals of a collapse....

Call me crazy....

The US is, losing...

www.myrtlebeachonline.com...

$7,782,816,546,352 In Debt

www.cbsnews.com...

[edit on 30/8/05 by The Surrealist]

Indy
If you'll excuse my observation, the shallow moment came earlier, when concern for the fate of football season was evidenced. The cost of rebuilding is a sore spot, no apologies necessary.

Federal money should not fund construction in disaster prone areas, unless the construction can withstand the worst. Cheap concrete dome homes are a much better solution than any currently on the market. They are low profile to resist the wind, can be sealed airtight when you evacuate to keep the water from destroying posessions, and they cost only a bit more than a roof replacement for a normal home.

I think there are ways we could be more efficient, but of course, that would require effort on the part of home owners and the government. This is not likely to happen.

The current situation is bad, no doubt. This is what happens when you stick an urban area in a flood plain. It's not pretty, but the potential for this sort of thing happening should be obvious to everyone involved. When you are SURROUNDED by dams, levvies, pumps, breakwaters, hurricane barriers, and spillways, you might feel protected, but the presence of that enormous quantity of protective insulation should really make folks question the geography, the weather, and the wisdom in living at the business end of the bowling alley.

This is exactly why I don't live in LA. Oh yeah, and the mosquitoes. And the heat. If it weren't for commerce, and all the greed that goes along with it, that part of the country would have been given back to nature a long time ago.

This may sound callous and cruel, but the fact remains, there are millions of people not drowning, not losing their worldy possessions, and not crammed into stadiums wading through a slurry of excrement. Everybody gets what they deserve, and tempting fate by living below sea level in a urbanized flood plain..well, let's just say, you can only give momma nature the finger so many times before she grabs it and breaks it.

Folks have unrealistic expectations when it comes to the US government's ability to protect its people from natural disasters. Take charge, take an interest in your own survival. Move the hell out of the area. The same goes for Florida. If you choose to live in that environment, take responsibility for that decision. It's nobody's fault but your own.

Or build a concrete dome home and spend the rest of the insurance money on a boat. That's the best advice I can muster up, regarding the insurance situation, and the perrenial problems inherent therein.

Edit: Oh yeah, and plant mangroves. Lots of mangroves. Good natural buffer to protect against wind and storm surge.


[edit on 30-8-2005 by WyrdeOne]

I'm a member of a fila dog webgroup, and one of the members just e-mailed the following message to our list members (we've been discussing Katrina and its aftermath, considering that we have friends there).

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hi all....
I just got a call from my brother. He is a state trooper in Louisiana. He and the other troopers in his unit have been mobilized to New Orleans. It would appear that the news is not accurately reporting the events.
The troopers were told to carry 60,000 body bags with them and to be prepared to be in great danger.

The inmates in the New Orleans prison have taken over the prison and now hold it.

4 police officers were shot and killed today.

I am very very concerned for my brother!!

Any prayers will be greatly appreciated!!


I deleted her name from the bottom of the e-mail. I have no idea if these claims/rumors or whatever can be confirmed...just thought I'd pass the info on. Let's all hope that it's just a rumor.

~A

Where do you put them? Tornado alley? The flood plains? Or how about on the west coast earthquake prone areas. The problem is that our country has very few areas that free from the wrath of mother nature. I understand your frustration. I wrote a very long rant and once I finished venting, I clicked back.

Sorry to tell you guys, but the US needs a port down there near the mouth of the Mississippi. Maybe not in the exact spot New Orleans was (weird saying that), but geographically speaking very close. Doesn't matter if it's disaster prone or not, that's the price you pay.

Originally posted by Fakin Bacon
Any prayers will be greatly appreciated!!

sorry for your brother, I didnt know that the prison was taken over, but I can believe it. News did sey that there had been gun firein New Orlands.

Looks like your new, did you come over for info, Ill prey for your brother. I have a lot of preying to do...

This is amazing, I totally love this community and it's members.
I went back to the beginning of this thread and reread the whole thing and it amazes me what we're documenting here.

from a tropical storm, my stupid fence, the warnings, the advice, the wide variety of emotions before, during and after this storm, the entire evolution of this thread is astounding. Thank You All for your participation. The whole process we are going thru as a community documenting this disaster speaks volumes on how special this place is.

You guys rock!!!! I have to go resolve some emotional issues now.

Originally posted by worldwatcher
I have to go resolve some emotional issues now.

good luck friend...

this is a great thread BTW...

this is thanks to all, like you said...

The problem I have with the coastal regions is they get often and the costs are usually astronomical. When I say hit often I am refering to the coastal region in general and not a particular city. How do you handle this? When a city like New Orleans gets wiped out as it has you take your $25 billion, flatten the city, remove the levee system and let it become a like. You then rebuild further inland where it is safer. You don't take the $25 billion and rebuild in the exact same spot where again in a decade or whatever you will be standing in line for another $25 billion.

Tornado alley is no big deal compared to this. Tornado damage across the entire U.S. doesn't come close to what hurricanes do. There have been a few people with the dumb luck of getting hit more than once. But it is just that... dumb luck.

Flood zones... same thing as the coastal regions. If you live in a known flood zone you are inelligible for insurance money and federal money.

Of course exeptions would have to be made for this. That would include things like shipping ports where being on the water is the only way to provide critical supplies to cities inland.

This is the reality of life. People keep doing irresponsible things like building in dangerous locations. Why should the rest of us keep paying for it?

The information post is from a woman I know on a dog breed mailing list that I'm a member of. I've never known her to be rash or to make up crazy stories for the heck of it...which made me stop and wonder and really think about what she e-mailed to all of her friends...let's hope that it's not really true. If this thing is true about the prison problem and the officers dying, not to mention the body bag count, why isn't the media telling us the information?

When I went to the store today, gas was $2.58 a gallon for regular...an hour later I returned from the store, passed the gas station, and it was $2.78 a gallon - up 20 cents a gallon in just an hour! I know this is happening all over...but what gives - is the government withholding information fearing that the public will panic or something, between the disaster that just happened and the gas prices soaring?

What about this year being a busy hurricane year? Something like 5-7 hurricanes possibly on the horizon between now and November, with 3 having the chance of reaching category 3 or more?

Anyone know anything about this?

I've posted a few times here, but mostly just lurk - after all, I have a toddler to run around after and not much time to post.

~A

This is getting really anoying, the news keeps saying that people are looting and blank etc blank. What ells are they gonna do? Leave a ten on the front counter and hope someone dousnt take it before they rebuild the city.

Its survival here, and a lot of food that will rot if people dont eat it soon.

Originally posted by Fakin Bacon
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When I went to the store today, gas was $2.58 a gallon for regular...an hour later I returned from the store, passed the gas station, and it was $2.78 a gallon - up 20 cents a gallon in just an hour! I know this is happening all over...but what gives - is the government withholding information fearing that the public will panic or something, between the disaster that just happened and the gas prices soaring?

What about this year being a busy hurricane year? Something like 5-7 hurricanes possibly on the horizon between now and November, with 3 having the chance of reaching category 3 or more?
~A

There is something possably about globle warming?

The gas went up because a lot is stationed in New Orlands, and what a better time when no one has a car? They have to rais prices because they are losing a lot of money.

World Watcher is right, this thread has a lot of good info and sympathy, and incorrectly spelled on my part.

[edit on 30/8/05 by The Surrealist]

I agree with you about the reason for the gas prices rising...they were supposed to anyway, (before Katrina happened) and with the hurricane striking when it did, it's natural that the price increased so dramatically.

I guess I'm just a tad suspicious (like I said, if the information my friend sent me is true) that the government/media whatever is withholding this information from the public - do they think we'll start panic buying gas or something across the country? I've heard rumors about possible gas shortages (even with price hikes) if the president doesn't tap the emergency gas reserve. It's just suspicious timing to be sitting on information, that's all.

Just color me paranoid. LOL

~A

Fakin Bacon

Your right, now we really need a reaon to invade another contry.

As I said before, we are a dependant sociaty, and if they want to rais gas, they could, and many of us would buy it.

Has anyone heard from Mizar? He could tell us the truth, but I wouldnt doubt your friend, common sence must be applyed, but anything can happen in the state of dire emergency like this.

[edit on 30/8/05 by The Surrealist]