Prez in '08 Who and Why?

Out of everyone that could run, I'd place money on Powell.

He has the ability to get members from both parties to vote for him, especailly when it is likely the Democrats will have Hillary Clinton who could push a lot of supporters away from their party.

Also Powell should have by the run for 2008 distanced himself enough from the Republican Party [BushCo/Iraq] to stand a good chance even within the media.

On another note, TrueLies, if JungleJake agrees with the views of the Republican Party and believes they will best suit the Nation in his own view points he can vote for them. That is democracy. Removing his ability to vote for a main party isn't democratic. In fact I am sure that falls under a dictatorship once you remove someones ability to vote for who they wish.

For the Democrats...
Wes Clark (my favorite at the moment)
Hillary Clinton
John Edwards
possibly Gore?
Warner (Gov. of VA)
maybe Feingold
Biden (blah)
Bayh (zzz)

I don't see Obama running yet, he's too new and I know Howard Dean will not be running since he's DNC chair.

Republicans...
McCain
Allen (puke)
Guliani
Hagel (rumors that he may be running as an independant)
Gingrich (!)

Top three Democratic contenders seem to be Clinton, Clark and Edwards. If Gore runs again, which he probably won't, he would have a great shot as well. I think McCain and Guliani would be the biggest challenge for Democrats to beat. Liberal Democrats like them for some reason, not sure why...it's an enigma to me.

Although, if Hagel ran as an independent he could be detrimental to the Democrats (anti-Iraq war Democrats like Hagel more than Hillary).

It's too soon to tell but the above are my guesses...

[edit on 10/1/2005 by Lecky]

You can take Edwards and Powell out of all speculation right now.

The only caveat being if their wives die. Sad fact of reality. Those are busy men with other, more important things on their mind.

President is a toss up, but the two VP's are Condi versus Obama. Bet on it.

I'd not be so sure, RANT.

If you notive Powell has slowly been getting back into the spotlight, especailly on the back of Hurricane Katrina and his views on how the administration handelled it and should have...

I'd keep my eyes on him through 05 and 06.

Keep an eye on Tom Myers, too. He's fairly unknown today, which will work to his advantage as the two parties and known officials squabble, and he will be running as an independant. He managed to turn the city of Emporia around, running it, "the way the federal government should be run," according to one annonymous source.

Fantastic find there, junglejake, I've not actually heard of this guy however I will do a bit of research up on him.

However I am working on a few major posts for the Socialism forum and one of them involves me pretty much reading a library. lol

I think Hillary will beat John McCain in another controversial election. McCain has played the ultimate balancing act by paying his dues to the Republican party, yet managing to maintain his distance from what I perceive as the Bush administration's unpopular and and ill-informed policies. He's basically an independent with Republican party support. Does anybody remember when the media thought McCain was being considered by Kerry as VP candidate? He declined and denied having considered it. I think his decision not to run with Kerry sealed the deal for his Republican candidacy.

However, I think it's also very possible that we might see a McCain- Hillary ticket on the 2008 ballot. As we all know Hillary wants to be President very badly and she might not be willing to take the chance of being defeated publicly. That ticket would win and it would basically ensure her spot in the Oval Office in 2016. I don't think Powell or Condi have a chance because they are going to be associated with our current jackass administration even though Powell has tried to distance himself and will run in the primaries.

Assuming Hillary is elected as VP or President in 2008, the most obvious conspiracy that pops into my head is the Fact that the Bush's and the Clintons will have been in the #1 and #2 spots since 1980. Hillary has been trying to establish her credibility as an executive decision maker by being on the Armed Services Committee as well as other strong and manly positions. I hope this sheds some light on the blessed union between Bill and GW Sr. Essentially, the same people will have been in control of this country for 36 years (2008-2016) if Hillary is Pres. or an even more frightening 44 years (2016-2024) if she accepts the VP spot with McCain. That's how I see things playing out.

Frist/McCain in 08.

Though it would be cool to see actor/former Senator Fred Thompson (R) to run for Prez. That guy just has serious President written all over him.

Good one, Frist/McCain, why would McCain agree? Unless the republican party plant bombs on his family members and threaten to kill them he won't go with Frist or any other Republican. Unless Powell runs, then he might go with him. Or Powell goes with McCain, either way they might still lose since the republicans hate McCain and Powell, one for being moderate the other for committing the crime of being black.

Don't doubt McCains loyalty to the Republican Party. Just remember more Democrats have became Republicans than the other way around.

President in 2008

Could be

Dick Cheney (don't laugh, if the republicans go too moderate, he jumps in)
Newt Gingrich
George Allen
Bill Frist

Won't be

Any Democrat
John McCain
Rudi Guilliani (could be Vice President to balance ticket)
Condi Rice (another great VP pick)
Jeb Bush (he will be elected in 2016)

I am not sure.. depends on who runs.

I think predicting now who will run for office is foolish. Maybe closer to the actual elections we will know who is still in the limelight/running.


But right now

Condi - Republican

Hillary - Democrat

I still hope that a Libertarian or Consitutionalist canidate gets more exposure than the press allowed before

I still hope that a Libertarian or Consitutionalist canidate gets more exposure than the press allowed before

Or we get a billionaire Libertarian candidate, eh? Perot seemed to solve that airtime problem by using a LOT of money, hehe... Too bad he was a loon.

I can't even guess who'd be running in 2008, but I can guarantee I wouldn't vote for Hillary or Condi. It would be nice to see a more viable female candidate though, just not those two.....

Michael Badnarik ran as the last Libertarian canidate.. he is hardly a billionare.

Ross Perot was.. Well to me he was a freakshow in American Politics.. if you noticed.. he did not run again in the next election. He ran as a Indy.... He too me was too tainted in his buisness dealings in Texas prior to his election bid to be even considered a viable canidate.

The sad part about this is.. The Republicans and Democrats will do every thing they can to keep the Consitution/Libertarian/Green Party canidates from debate them come election time...

[edit on 11-10-2005 by kitanis]

Democrats - Tom Daschle

Republicans - Arnold Shwartzeneger

Originally posted by Balthasary.
Assuming Hillary is elected as VP or President in 2008, the most obvious conspiracy that pops into my head is the Fact that the Bush's and the Clintons will have been in the #1 and #2 spots since 1980.

or 1986

[edit on 12-10-2005 by Frosty]

Personally I think the most interesting possible candidate for the Democrats would be current New York State Attorney General Eliot Spitzer. He's running for Governor of New York in 2006. If he wins that it could be a launching pad for a presidential run in 2008 or 2012. Or a possible VP slot in 2008. He's developed a reputation for going after corporate corruption on Wall Street and protecting consumers. Very interesting guy and if the Republicans continue to face scandals he could be an excellent candidate for pushing a anti-corruption reform agenda. While most pundits are saying Hillary Clinton has the Democratic nomination in the bag if she choses to run I think the Democrats would be making a big mistake in nominating her. I think she's to polarizing a figure and has to much political baggage to ever get more than 40-45% of the vote in a presidential election. I think the Democrats need to go with a governor or another candidate from outside Washington to have a chance.

For the Republicans I think John McCain would be their best bet if it were not for his age. It might provide him problems as he would be the oldest person elected president if he won in 2008. He's also got problems with the social conservative base. He might be able to overcome those problems by selecting somebody like Mike Huckabee, the current Governor of Arkansas and a strong social conservative, for the VP slot.

Many analysts consider Senator George Allen the possible nominee but if scandals continue to plague the party a "maverick" like McCain might be the Republicans best bet.

Or all a party needs is Jeb Bush and then a Ohioan, like Bob Taft, for the Republican ticket. That way they win the home states, and just like 00 and 04 they rig the vote to make sure they win.

No Bush Bot thinks about this, or anything else the GOP tells them not to, but Diebold said, literally, "I promise this election will go to Bush." and then hey, Ohio has Diebold machines, and hey, Bush wins even though ALL exit polls say Kerry won. SO waiting for 08, can finally vote!!!! Well, can vote in 07 to but no president election then.

Personaly, I voted Nader last time, and will probally vote libertarian (I don't like voting based on any party though) this time, unless Obama is on the democrats ticket. My sentiments could change by that time once I start to hear some issues. Side note if Jeb gets the republican nod I will vote democrat except for Hillary. I do admit I like McCain though but doubt he will get much consideration.

As far as some other canidates go, forget Hillary. She will only get in if Jeb is nominated to run against her. Jeb Bush will only get elected if he has a major moderate run with him like McCain. Frist is only distancing himself from the administration so he has a shot. I doubt Cheney will hold a political office after this term. Condi is too much of a puppet. I think out of the women that could run she has the best chance though.

If Edwards runs with Obama he wins hands down.

Am I like the only one on Earth not enamoured with Rice. I just get a real phony vibe off of her whenever I see her interviewed. I don't know if she's just being political or what, but I just watch her and don't think I'm getting everything.

Whoever called Eliot Spitzer possibly running and Obama and Giuliani as veeps I think have points. I've also thought that Barabara Boxer has been looking for a veep slot for about a year now.

I am sure as most have said it will be Hillary for the dems. Edwards is a doofus. Clark is a good guy and probably a decent general and leader, but he just didn't seem to have any legs to stand on when he was running during the primaries. I thought he was going to be a lot more of a threat to Bush, then I saw him interviewed and said nevermind. I thought Gephart was the best of the dems last year, but I really don't see him in public life again, which is too bad. I'm sure Joe Biden wants to run, I'm just not sure if the party will let anyone aside from Hillary win.

As far as the reps, Frist is wasting his time, he's already being looked at by the SEC and it aint even 06 yet. Oh, and there's no way McCain will bend over and take a veep slot, no way. He also won't cross party lines. He swallowed his pride and stumped for Bush last year...I'm sure that tasted great to him...the only way he'd do that is build points for 08. Gingrich may run, he's kind of hinted at it in a few interviews I've seen. I'd keep my eye on Orin Hatch, he's usually in front of the cameras during any remotely relevant political event, same with John Cornyn. I also agree with whoever called Jeb not running till the next election.

In the big picture, I think if the dems want to win they should run someone other than Hillary. Hear me out. There isn't really a obvious duh-he's-the-nominee guy out there for the gop, at least not right now. But if Hillary runs...BAM...that's one giant rallying point. As long as they don't run a hippy like Gore or a nut-ball like Dean, I think they could easy sneak past the reps. Because honestly, I haven't seen any reps out there that just scream for my vote right now. I'm hopeful that the gop, in the next several years, will begin to unhitch their wagon from the hyper-religious sect of the party. I see it to some extent already now, traditional conservatives upset with too much spending and with the whole Meiers deal. I think the gop kind of made a deal with the devil (pardon the pun) by allying themselves with ultra-bible-thumpers in order to make the dems the whipping boy for a few elections. I think they've ridden that horse just about as far as she'll go. Just my 2 cents.

My pick? If I had my choice I think I'd take stormin-Norman Schwarzkopf, but that's about as likely to happen as Zap Brannigan getting elected. Hey, what about Brannigan-Kroecker in 08?!!! If you know what I'm talking about you are officially my friend, regardless of politics!

Originally posted by TrueLies



Then your not really concerned about the injustices and the strangle-hold these two parties have on the country...

But as long as your guy gets in who cares about democracy!

cause a third party will bring about SWEEPING REFORMS in the country.



when will you people learn to vote not by party but by who you think will be the best in office. were going exactly the opposite of what george washington told us not to do and it is doing more harm than good and one day we'll wake up and say "holy # we are #ed up"



JOHN STEWART FOR PRESIDENT!