BTK Killer - Bleeding Hearts Explain To Me Why He Should Not Be Dead

Originally posted by 27jd
I'm sure he'll be killed in prison, and it will be a much worse death than a state sanctioned one. The guards are human too, and just as disgusted by him as any of us. After the media attention dies down a little, a cell will be left unlocked, a back will be intentionally turned, and he'll get what's coming to him. At least I hope so.

Does the name Jeffery Dahmmer (spelling?) ring any bells? I agree 27jd, I bet he won't make it two years in prison, hopefully those two years will be FILLED with him being called Nancy by some 350lb weightlifter, O.G. who likes his girlfriends all bloddy, crying and black and blue...

I know the above is disgustingly harsh, I also know it's STILL too good for this maggot.

Springer...

He should have been put to death. He is not being framed or wrongfully accused and has admitted to his crimes. Why should citizens have to spend their taxes to keep a killer alive, fed and educated should he decide to get some degree in prison. I do not always think the death penalty is the right avenue, especially when the case could be a wrongful charge but this case is different and death is appropriate. As far as comments that death would put him out of any misery, I happen to believe in a heaven and a hell and would expect that in death he would find himself face to face with Satan for a very long, painful, miserable eternity.

No ,this guy deserves whatever torture awaits him, hey why not throw him in "the hole" for the rest of his (natural born life).Anyone that kills kids should be ready for the (WORST).iF THIS SCHMUCK IS THROWN IN PRISON WITH GENERAL POPULATION DON'T EXPECT LIFE EXPECTANTCY TO BE LONG.

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
if we kill him, aren't we just more like him ? Does the thrill or enjoyment or satisfaction from his suffering only lead us down the same path ?

Don't get me wrong, I have a 5 YO daughter. I've told my wife, if I ever land in jail it will be because of something I do to anyone that harms a hair on her head. I'm not a macho guy, Its a dad thing. Ask any dad you know with a girl, they'll tell you the same thing.

My point is, as a society, how can we say killing is wrong, but the penalty for killing is killing ?


The best punishment I can think of is to put him in solitary confinement for the rest of his life so his urges and needs will destroy him for us.

I agree. Although I would like to take the life of any SOB who would harm my daughters, instant gratification would be less desireable than placing a murderer in an environment where they create their own personal hell and cannot escape until they are old and grey.

Originally posted by LogansRun

It is you that needs a clue my friend. Please tell me where in the Bible that you hold so dear that it says "Some jerks deserve death"?
BTW, statistically, the murder rate is lower in states that dont have capital punishment.

Im not your "friend" dude...I would not even trust you to shine my boots.
Speaking of the Bible, if you read it rather than run your mouth....you'll find a passage in 9:5 in Genesis "And murder is forbidden. Animals that kill people must die, and any person who murders must be killed."

Wyrdeone, go pop some pimples. I don't waste my time argueing with kids.

Maximu§

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My point of view has been clear for the time I've been a member. Thank you Macuser for your views. I've read the thread and i agree with the death penalty for this scum. For everyone that tries to make a case of "Oh Boo Hoo" for this poor misunderstood man - get a clue. He scoped, hunted, and grotesquely murdered poor innocent people.
Suppose (God Forbid One Million Times) he chose your little sisters, brothers, mothers, fathers. He took pictures, while masturbating, WHILE MASTURBATING, as they died a tortuous death. A 9 year old, an 11 year old, crying, begging to know why, as he watched.
Imagine a 9 year old, whose life has not even begun, being suffocated AFTER watching his Mommy and Daddy killed in front of his eyes. Trying desperately to ris himself of the bonds this monster put on him. Struggling for a breath that will never come. An 11 year old girl being fondled roughly by this man - crying, not understanding why. Begging for her life, only to be hoisted by her neck to her death. The last thing she sees is him pleasuring himself......
KILL HIM NOW.
Thank you MACUSER for your sense of reality.

Originally posted by LogansRun

Originally posted by LA_Maximus

Originally posted by LogansRun

Originally posted by LA_Maximus
Kill Him!!!


Maximu§

Um, four words for you: THOU SHALT NOT KILL.

Simple enough? Or do you only follow rules when they suit you??

Um, four words for you: SOME JERKS DESERVE DEATH!
Now get outta my face and get a clue.

Maximu§

It is you that needs a clue my friend. Please tell me where in the Bible that you hold so dear that it says "Some jerks deserve death"?
BTW, statistically, the murder rate is lower in states that dont have capital punishment.

how about........ an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth

Turn him loose - let's see how he likes being hunted - ever seen a deers' eyes in your headlights? I'm all mad here - right now - but this guy should be made to suffer to the point beyond human comprehension and then we'll get serious on unlocking his "compartmentalization psychology" and above all let's keep him alive and conscious of his own suffering.

"There are things worse than death and I can do all of them."
- Fisher Stevens character from the movie Hackers -

Rader was not subject to the death penalty because the death penalty was not in effect when he committed his crimes. It's as simple as that. If he were eligible for the death penalty, he would have definitely been given death considering the nature of his crimes and his complete lack of remorse. He probably won't last long in prison.

It'd be really great if some people could finally comprehend that "anti-death penalty" does not equate to "boo hoo what a pity he's a poor victim himself".

Sometimes the narrow-minded tripe on here amazes me.

Maximus
Who's argueing? I told you you're not scary, and you're not. You've almost got it though, just try a little harder... You might get away with intimidating some people in real life, but it doesn't fly here.

To the point:
When it costs more to kill them than it does to jail them, you know you've got a problem with the death penalty. Life in a cage, or exile, is a fine punishment for criminals who've broken the trust of society.

For everyone that tries to make a case of "Oh Boo Hoo" for this poor misunderstood man - get a clue. He scoped, hunted, and grotesquely murdered poor innocent people.

I don't recall anyone sympathising with the monster. People have just pointed out that 180 years in prison(of which in GP(General Population)) he'd only last a few months(or years depends on his cellmate ) Some punishments are worse then death. And an Eye for and Eye is immoral anyway no way his death can even close to make up for what he did. Nothing will make up for it, but we can make sure that the rest of his(short) life behind bars will be very very miserable, and one day he will be dead when Bubba's bored with him.

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I am starting to get scared, this is the second time in less than a week that I would have to say I agree with Maximus, not in totality though. I do think the person needs to die, do we need the state to take care of this though? IMHO-no.

I do not think that the institutionalization of murder is anything to be proud of. Honestly I think it is only there to relieve everyday citizens of the guilt that they would normally live with had they taken care of it themselves.


Why should I as a taxpayer foot the bill for this scum to live, however long it might be? One day, month, year, or 100 days, months, or years, why do we pay for him to stay alive when he has taken it upon himself to end others lifes for no reason other than to fulfill his twisted urges?

In a perfect world the declare would be: Rape him and kill him and make it slow, tape it as well, and distribute it as snuff/educational porn to NAMBLA and all those who might think about indulging their own sick fantasies. It could be like a public service announcement type thingy.

To some around here I am a liberal (go figure), so in that sense I think the BEST this man deserves is a full frontal lobotomy, lifetime of meds, and castration ( NOT chemical).......If that were done perhaps he should be given a chance to live.

Tolerance has it's place in society but that should only go so far. You can not expect anyone to be tolerant of those who have no respect for the sanctity of life.

Can I ask a question?

What would you guys do to prevent the phenomena from occurring in the first place?

Castration doesn't work as a deterrant to others.
The death penalty doesn't work as a deterrant to others.
Branding doesn't work as a deterrant to others.

And society - however much we want to try and deny it - does shoulder some of the responsiblity in how we're raising people who are doing this to begin with.

So what would you do?

Kind of interesting that there are two points of view here that I don't guess I understand... They both tend to make folks "Not guilty" for their actions, and at the same time they kind of go hand in hand.

1. Don't kill hiim... Let him rot in prison.
2. Let him stay in prison until someone kills him.

The way I see it, if we do either one of them, we never have to really take a stand on the morality of the act, or stand in judgement, and take responsibility for dealing out a death penalty.

Some people, no matter how you cut it, by the very nature of their being and the harsh reality of their actions, fall under the heading of a waste of skin. Those people need to be taken out of circulation ... permanently.

Eye for an eye is not immoral... It is old testament law. New testament says, "turn the other cheek". Which might be kind of hard in this case... But even more importantly, it says render unto Ceaser...

Unfortunately, due to the way we have set up our laws in this countrry, he can't burn for his evil deeds ... But he damned well ought to.

Originally posted by Tinkleflower
Can I ask a question?

What would you guys do to prevent the phenomena from occurring in the first place?

Castration doesn't work as a deterrant to others.
The death penalty doesn't work as a deterrant to others.
Branding doesn't work as a deterrant to others.

And society - however much we want to try and deny it - does shoulder some of the responsiblity in how we're raising people who are doing this to begin with.

So what would you do?

Well to ask how one stops this from happening is to assume that all of this type of behaviour is a response, or reactionary force to something else, yeah? Whilst true most serial killers, and childmolesters share similar backgrounds, there are still a signifigant portion that do not exhibit the usual circumstances that modern psychology has attributed to such behaviour.

That being said then of course something can be done to stop this from happening, but this could only happen in an orwellian world where even breeding is controllled. Until we have control over every aspect of breeding then we will never know what people are doing to their children.

Even if we did have complete control though studies show there would still be a signifigant amount of people like this.

SO now let me ask you a question....What do we do then? What do we do when all avenues have been exhausted? What do we do when parenting is monitered and no mother dressed their son up in girls clothes, and beats them and sexually abuses them? What do we do when a person has had a normal and healthy upbringing yet still turns to this type of behaviour?

Originally posted by sigung86
Kind of interesting that there are two points of view here that I don't guess I understand... They both tend to make folks "Not guilty" for their actions, and at the same time they kind of go hand in hand.

Interesting perspective. Can I ask why you interpret those options as equating to him being "not guilty"?

1. Don't kill hiim... Let him rot in prison.
2. Let him stay in prison until someone kills him.

The way I see it, if we do either one of them, we never have to really take a stand on the morality of the act, or stand in judgement, and take responsibility for dealing out a death penalty.

But our society's laws are taking a stand and standing in judgement when they convict someone. These laws are based upon the morals and beliefs of a society. Just because they might not reflect your ideals - or a belief/support of the death penalty - doesn't make them any less responsible or moral, you know?

Some people, no matter how you cut it, by the very nature of their being and the harsh reality of their actions, fall under the heading of a waste of skin. Those people need to be taken out of circulation ... permanently.

LWOP accomplishes that pretty well.

Originally posted by phoenixhasrisin
What do we do when a person has had a normal and healthy upbringing yet still turns to this type of behaviour?

I'm not blowing off the rest of your post; this part just caught my eye before I get a chance to answer the rest

I'm not sure anyone who has had a "normal and healthy upbringing" would turn to this behaviour. Every single case of repeat child sex offender I've ever looked into has included something quite hideous in their background.

But I will get more into this in another post, k?

Originally posted by Tinkleflower

Originally posted by phoenixhasrisin
What do we do when a person has had a normal and healthy upbringing yet still turns to this type of behaviour?

I'm not blowing off the rest of your post; this part just caught my eye before I get a chance to answer the rest

I'm not sure anyone who has had a "normal and healthy upbringing" would turn to this behaviour. Every single case of repeat child sex offender I've ever looked into has included something quite hideous in their background.

But I will get more into this in another post, k?

Like I said MOST do share similar backgrounds, but not all. I a not one who believes socio-economic factors play a role though.

Serial killers are specifically motivated by a variety of psychological urges, primarily power and sexual compulsion. They feel inadequate and worthless, often owing to humiliation and abuse in childhood or the pressures of poverty and low socioeconomic status in adulthood, and their crimes give them a feeling of power, both at the time of the actual killing and also afterwards.
en.wikipedia.org...

Note above it say "OFTEN owing to humiliation and abuse in childhood."....Like I said though I break from traditional thought by believing that socio-economic factors is no excuse for such behaviour, whilst the rest might be valid arguments.

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