How Many Believe Corso?

I've been reading Philip Corso's novel "the day after roswell." At first it seems accurate and it corraborates with many if not all other eyewitness accounts of the Roswell Crash in 1947. But after reading for a while it becomes apparent that Corso believes that the extraterrestrials are not benevolent creatures here to guide and moniter our civilization, but are hear to do us harm and to take over our planet. He goes as far to say that we have secretly manufactored and put into orbit particle beam systems and laser cannons that we used to fight off the "enemy" ships. He also says that it may be possible that our military has a secret moon base called project horizon.

I have four options numbered 1-4. State the number then your opinion on the subject.

1. Corso is telling the complete truth. The extratterestrials are our enemies and are here to do us harm.

2. Corso and the rest of the military are misunderstanding the extraterrestrials actions as militious, even though they really mean us no harm.

3. Corso is a disinformant spreading rumors and lies in order to get the public off the real deal.

4. Corso is a deluded fool with a big imagination.

I personally would probably go with option 2. While the extraterrestrials may appear militous (sp?) they really aren't and our governments are mistaking them for something they are not. The reason I believe this is because a violent and imperialistic extraterrestrial race does not coincide with the rest of accounts on the subject. But I tend to believe top-ranking military officials when they tell me stories so I assume there is truth to Corso's claims. The only other explanation that I think is plausible is disinformation.

I believe that both option 1 and 2 could be likely indeed. Without knowing for sure, we can not say if the ET's are allies or not. But the part about the lasers and whatnot in space sound like a plus to the safe-keeping of our planet .

I'll go with #1 but I would change it to some extraterrestrials mean us harm. I tend to believe there's more than one kind. IMO Corso spoke about the subject very matter-of-factly and came off as totally trustworthy to me.

Peace

[edit on 15-8-2005 by Dr Love]

[edit on 15-8-2005 by Dr Love]

I'd have to go with either 1 or 2. They could be using a scare tactic to keep us surpressed in the ideas of ETs or they could be telling us the truth. Either way i think there has to be more than one race of ET's that are probably aggressive and non-aggressive. We still don't know all of the species that exist within the rain forest let alone the universe.

Mostly 4, but a slight chance there could be some #3 in there. But I think its probably 95% #4.

1. Corso is telling the complete truth. The extratterestrials are our enemies and are here to do us harm.

Why?
1. Because he was in a position to know, logically.
2. He has a good service record, and is known by peers as an honorable man.
3. Numerous corraborations, despite skeptical nitpicking.
4. High ranking, not something such a man often risks by going public, but in doing so close to death, even more convincing.
5. Wasn't like he was hurting for money, and he didn't get rich off of it...
6. There's one really weird small detail that really sticks out for me. Corso claims the dark eyes are the result of an artificial lens, like a contact lens, worn by the creatures. The notorious faked autopsy film has this detail as well. Even though the video is almost certainly bogus, it's an intriguing detail I just can't get out of my mind....

But, let me add some caveats as well...

1. Corso's account of what happened during the Roswell Incident is COMPLETELY from other sources, and he explicitly says as much in the book. One shouldn't assume he has first hand knowledge of the incident himself. This is a common error of both UFOlogists, and Skeptics.

2. Corso's first hand knowledge of Roswell is limited solely to his knowlege of the debris and alleged handling of it and the one time sighting of the body, by his own accounts.

3. As one mentioned, this shouldn't imply ALL ETs are out to get us....Corso says in the book that he doesn't know what their intentions are, so they are planning for the worst case scenario (which is good, as that is their job). Of course, there isn't enough evidence to say conclusively if it's just one "type" of alien visiting us, or a variety. I believe there is enough evidence to show visitation, but not to pinpoint individual origins at this point.

4. He states that Project HORIZON was on the drawing board (and it was), and that he is ASSUMING it was put up. He makes no claim that actually is the case, and the evidence suggests this plan was abandoned pretty early in the planning stages.

5. Before laughing off the idea of space weapons, remember the SDI debates, and the numerous classified shuttle missions going up week after week in the 80's, then see if it sounds so silly....

6. There is a lot of ego-feeding in this book too, so best not to get too caught up on that part of it...

The bottom line for me is, friendly aliens don't sneak in, buzz and/or disable your defenses, abduct citizens, etc. So, I can PERFECTLY understand the defensive stance taken by the military if this is indeed all true.

It should be noted that most serious UFOlogists don't believe Corso, such as Friedman, etc. Personally, my gut is telling me that Corso's basic tale is true...but that's really all that is telling me that. I wouldn't use Corso in a serious argument for the case, aside from being a high-ranking officer stating that yes, it was a UFO that crashed at Roswell.

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Can't agree on any one or number of the four items listed. Corso, seemed to me after reading his book years ago, was refering to one file cabinet based primarily on one crash incident.

There are some of us that thnk there are many EBE races here now and some are benevolent and some (eg Greys) are not.

I believe his book is based on the file cabinet facts he had at the time without full access to Blue information.

Great book.

Dallas

I'd agree that Corso did NOT have full Blue access...

If his account is correct, it would seem that Air Materiel Command basically got scraps of the Roswell find...after the creation of the Air Force. This would actually make sense. By most evidence, the Army was largely in the dark about such projects after the National Security Act was passed in 1947, only weeks after the Roswell incident, btw....

Originally posted by Gazrok
4. High ranking, not something such a man often risks by going public, but in doing so close to death, even more convincing.
5. Wasn't like he was hurting for money, and he didn't get rich off of it...

[edit on 15-8-2005 by Gazrok]

See normally I somewhat agree with you but I think you missed something in these two quotes.

4. Corso was a high ranking official and should be in the "know". Exactly why he is the perfect goverment guinea pig to come out and say some outlandish tale. Fully supported by the powers above him. Either common people believe him or they think he is full of it. A great way to do some field research as to where public opinion is at the moment. No reprocussions for him because the goverment put him up to it. Who cares how much of it is true because its so loaded with disinfo that only another "insider" is going to know what has or has not been leaked.

5. The perfect time to make a social experiment is when your lively hood is not banking on it. He had no fear of losing his pay or life or whatever. So he fabricates some stuff puts it in a book and throws it out there. Waiting to get some hits off it. Possibly there is some truth in there and what the goverment wants to know is how many people and who specifically these people are that can or are willing to co-oberate Corso story (espesically the parts that are true) that way they can find the leaks and "take care of them".


Thats why I think Corso is full of it, but there is a chance that it was all done for a multitide of reasons some nefarious and some just to spread more disinfo on the subject.


IMO, there must exist a multitude of "alien" races, how radical of a departure from "man" remains to be determined. As well as what physical intereaction if any they currently have with this planet.

They exist, but I dont think they are the little grey/ green aliens that everyone expects them to be.

Originally posted by Gazrok

6. There's one really weird small detail that really sticks out for me. Corso claims the dark eyes are the result of an artificial lens, like a contact lens, worn by the creatures. The notorious faked autopsy film has this detail as well. Even though the video is almost certainly bogus, it's an intriguing detail I just can't get out of my mind....

I thought you were reading my mind!

I'm not prepared to accept Corso's claims , I haven't read the books or researched him.

But I can't stop thinking about the idea of the contact lens things.

I want a pair! The idea of that type of tech is almost mindblowing , and yet it seems feasable in the near future if not already! And it makes alot of sense to me. You could see in the dark , and have a HUD , even maybe a connection to the net, protect your eye's from harmful light ect. ect.

I think No. 1 is the closest to what I believe. I think Corso was truthful in his involvement with the Roswell debris, but I'm not sure how much impact it had. I think he did pass this alien tech to private contractors who were working on new technologies. But there is proof that lasers, night vision goggles and semi-conductors were already being developed by the time he gave them the alien tech. So it could have given them some ideas, but I think these things would have been invented anyway.

I am willing to bet that those pieces are still in some vault somewhere gathering dust.

I think Corso said that Project Horizon was an Army project, which had plans for a Lunar Base by 1965, but it was cancelled when NASA was formed.

Your typical "little grey" is a bio-mechanical droid. Its animated but has no unique thought process. It simply is doing its job that it was programmed or is being "controlled" to do.

Thats why no reproduction organs, no need for a mouth, no bodily excretions, although the process of expelling "vapors" through the skin surface still must be a biological function for cellular reproduction. Excreating the remains of dying cell materials.

Thats why the little greys are more like walking plants and convert energy from "stars" and absorb nitrogen from the atmosphere. Since their skin probably is aerobic through the skin surface absorbing all the oxygen or hydrogen which ever it requires as well as being a nutrient.

Put a "grey" in a dark room and it begins to die.

Put it in a Oxygen only room and it begins to die. (which is why the containment facilities resulted in the death of the speciemens). Not knowing the biological process that it needed to survive resulted in the death of the EBE.

I would assume that the "travellers" are suspended in some sort of electro-lyte bath that not only gives their biological form nutrients but also charges their internal "battery?" during the long space flights between solar regions. "time" is not a factor because the bio-mechincal droid does not age but constanly undergoes cellular division as long as nutrients are available.

In interstellar flight the craft flys through huge chemical clouds that I bet are absorbed throught the crafts shell and stored in some sort of filtration system along with cosmic radiation to re-charge the electro-lyte type holding baths. Upon reaching their destination the baths drain and the crafts "brain" then programs the droids for their specific duties, data collection observation etc.

Super nano-mechanical construction would mean that it would look like it was a living entity when in reality its a complex "computer" that happens to emulate living tissue. Super flexible carbon like nano tube/fiber optic nerve and control wires, super tensile and flexible memory wire strands for muscles, millions of nano block receptors for a whole host of sensors, light wave, sound, touch, feel, temperature, chemical composition etc. Possibly many areas of their skin could comprise of multiple layers of sensor grids allowing multiple pick ups for the same area of skin. Giving the droid omin-directional awareness at all times.

WE could probably build something like this now. Maybe not as complex but it is well within the realm that modern man is capable of reaching. But as with most things that man knows, it is only a matter of time until he realizes that his preception of how things work at times is all wrong.

The key is to understanding where we are wrong and where we are right.

Yes, the above seems to be the only EBE biology evidence we have and that's solely from testimony, and unsubstantiated testimony at that, so I can't hold it as gospel, hehe....

Good knowledge of the folklore though...

But there is proof that lasers, night vision goggles and semi-conductors were already being developed by the time he gave them the alien tech. So it could have given them some ideas, but I think these things would have been invented anyway.

True, and Corso even states this. That's how and why he chose those particular contractors, allegedly.

4. Corso is a deluded fool with a big imagination.

Moon bases and off Earth weapon defences. I wouldn't call him a fool though. That's a good read and sounds like great fiction. I personaly like the aliens as potential foe myself. I have a treatment I am working on which presents the views from both sides. One constantly trying to undermine the other.

although i never heard of corso, from the research ive done about the grays i believe they are hostile. I have also seen footage of what looks like a laser pulse directed at a UFO. There are also accounts, especially the ones in Israel were the grays did horrible things to the animals and threatened the people there.

I read Corso's book several years ago. At that time, I wasn't sure of some of what he said, and still am not.

I agree with Hal9000, mostly, and Gazrok. Corso knew what he knew. When he was guessing, he was guessing. He knew, for sure, about the technology...that makes sense. As for his views on the alien biology, I'm definitely skeptical. Great book, though. I read it twice, then my mother-in-law got it and now can't find it.

After years of researching aliens and UFO's, Corso's book was, what I call, the "clincher" in my belief of what happened at Area 51 to be true. The complete story, is, however, all jumbled up in all of the accounts, testimonies, etc.

robertfenix:

I was going to write a much different reply, but I had to acknowledge your post. What you have outlined in this thread would make a great premise for an entertaining novel. I was wondering, are these are your original ideas, or did you adopt them from another source?

For the integrity of this thread, I would tend to agree that the ET's at roswell were not friendly. The logic I follow is simply that the US Gov, if met with friendly ET's, would probably move away from conquest and war. Unfortunately this has not happened, in fact, the opposite has been true. It looks to me like they are preparing for more war, not less.

Benelovent ET's would bring knowledge of peace and understanding, by definition. Either that or we are just not listening.

Somehow, invading airspace, buzzing defense installations, neutralizing defenses, and abducting citizens, all with secrecy, just doesn't make the case for "benovolent" EBEs....

I think Stanton Friedman expose him as a fraud looking at his background and the claims.
It's on his web site.

Somehow, invading airspace, buzzing defense installations, neutralizing defenses, and abducting citizens, all with secrecy, just doesn't make the case for "benovolent" EBEs....

Possibly. But could it be that we are misinterpreting their actions. You do realize that they have nuetralized our defenses, not destroyed them. They simpy rendered our extremely harmful missles harmless. Maybe they are doing this to prevent us from becoming violent towards them or towards another fellow country aka the Soviet Union. I'd like to point out that they have never reported anyone being killed by an extraterrestrial.