Israel bans Muslim men from Al-Aqsa Mosque.

ISRAELI police have banned all Muslim men under the age of 45 from going to Jerusalem's Al-Aqsa mosque compound on Friday, the Muslim weekly day of prayer, for fear of demonstrations, a police statement said.

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Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion, this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance. Article 18 UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS, United Nations General Assembly.

fear not, some israeli supporter will run to this thread telling us how israel should have the rightto do this because they think people are being recruited to be terrorists...blah blah blah.

but i agree, this is wrong.

we have this and the outlawing of marriages between israelis and palestinians....

Hi john, i would like an explanation as to why you don't say that it was unfair that up until 1967 no jew of any age or sex was permitted to visit the Western Wall. Thank you in advance for your even handed consideration of this matter.
I also wonder if you think it's ok that up until 1967 when israeli soldiers arrived at the Wall it was covered in garbage. Compare that to the Israeli establishment of the Waqf (a Muslim authority body set up by the government of Israel) which ensures that the Muslim holy sites on the mount are kept in proper conditions and I really must ask you to consider who denied what rights to whom.

[Edited on 9-1-2003 by Djarums]

Originally posted by Djarums
Hi john, i would like an explanation as to why you don't say that it was unfair that up until 1967 no jew of any age or sex was permitted to visit the Western Wall. Thank you in advance for your even handed consideration of this matter.
I also wonder if you think it's ok that up until 1967 when israeli soldiers arrived at the Wall it was covered in garbage. Compare that to the Israeli establishment of the Waqf (a Muslim authority body set up by the government of Israel) which ensures that the Muslim holy sites on the mount are kept in proper conditions and I really must ask you to consider who denied what rights to whom.

[Edited on 9-1-2003 by Djarums]

I'm not talking about what happened in 1967, I'm talking about now. I am not taking sides here, I think both sides are as idiotic as each other, and this whole who did what to who # is becoming really boring.

However, I guess I am inclined to side more with the Palastinians. Why? Israel have EVERYTHING. They have got every weapon they could ever need, including nukes and bio and chemical weapons (where is the UN, and the USA breaking down their door). They've got the USA and UK on their side, infact the have so much of a say in American politics it's scary. They have got everyone on their side and already very wealthy. What have Palastine got? Nothing.

This whole "but what about in 1967 when..." # is not helping mate, you're part of the problem, not the solution.

Originally posted by John Nada
I'm not talking about what happened in 1967, I'm talking about now.

Then let's talk about now.
Tell me what is happening at the Temple Mount - The holiest of sites for both Judaism and Christianity. Tell me what is happening right now.

Tell me.

ISRAELI police have banned all Muslim men under the age of 45 from going to Jerusalem's Al-Aqsa mosque compound on Friday, the Muslim weekly day of prayer, for fear of demonstrations, a police statement said.

So, they are all going to say "oh thank you very much for banning us from going there to preform our daily prayer, we are peacefully going home now".... gees...
THIS IS going to cause demonstrations they are so affraid of. The very act of banning them will cause far more trouble.

Act of stupidity from Israeli side, I have to say.

Oh, and since when it is allowed in a democratic society to just ban people from a religious institution?

Originally posted by John Nada

This whole "but what about in 1967 when..." # is not helping mate, you're part of the problem, not the solution.

Maybe, but just posting something critical of Israel isn't helping either. A solution will require an understanding of both sides, and a willingness of both sides to compromise.

"Maybe, but just posting something critical of Israel isn't helping either"
It is the establishment of the truth.

Well.. this will produce just more violence..

Not letting them to go to their Mosque..

This is one of the most holy moslem places, almost like Mecca..

[Edited on 1-9-2003 by FULCRUM]

Originally posted by TheManWithThePlan
"Maybe, but just posting something critical of Israel isn't helping either"
It is the establishment of the truth.

Then you need the whole truth. A partial truth isn't very helpful.

[Edited on 1-9-2003 by Mycroft]

Originally posted by Mycroft

Originally posted by TheManWithThePlan
"Maybe, but just posting something critical of Israel isn't helping either"
It is the establishment of the truth.

Then you need the whole truth. A partial truth isn't very helpful.

[Edited on 1-9-2003 by Mycroft]

Well I posted this to you in another forum but you've chose to ignore it so I'll post it here as well. Hopefully this will explain why I report on Israel more.

"In case I haven't got the message over to you yet, I think both sides are idiots and I am not trying to thrust any politics on anyone. I just like reporting the news that I hear coming from over there. Seeing how ALL the bad things that Palastine do are reported in the media, and all the bad things Israel do ARE NOT because they OWN THE MEDIA, I report mostly stuff about Israel to even out the books. OK with you? If not don't read my posts. If you want to hear what the Palestines have done just read any newspaper or watch the news.


[Edited on 1-9-2003 by John Nada]

well, that's kind of goofy. a mosque serves no purpose without a congregation to worship in it. this move will likely spark move violence in the middle east, as another poster noted. it's sad, but I don't think there's anything anyone can do. unless everyone on both sides agrees to get along, the turmoil there will continue.

Al-Aqsa Mosque is nothing like Mecca.

Mecca is Mecca. The Dome of the Rock however is very important to Muslims because we believe it was the location of Muhammad's ascension to heaven.

I fear one day the Israeli Government will destory the mosque though in order for the anti-Christ to rebuild the Temple.

Originally posted by Illmatic67
Al-Aqsa Mosque is nothing like Mecca.

Mecca is Mecca. The Dome of the Rock however is very important to Muslims because we believe it was the location of Muhammad's ascension to heaven.

I fear one day the Israeli Government will destory the mosque though in order for the anti-Christ to rebuild the Temple.

Well it is some thing like Mecca.. 1.Mecca 2.Karbala 3."The Dome of the Rock" Moslems most holy places.. if i aint wrong all these 3 are in "top 5" however.

Originally posted by Illmatic67
Al-Aqsa Mosque is nothing like Mecca.

Mecca is Mecca. The Dome of the Rock however is very important to Muslims because we believe it was the location of Muhammad's ascension to heaven.

I fear one day the Israeli Government will destory the mosque though in order for the anti-Christ to rebuild the Temple.

Well it is some thing like Mecca.. 1.Mecca 2.Karbala 3."The Dome of the Rock" Moslems most holy places.. if i aint wrong all these 3 are in "top 5" however.

The Temple has been rebuilt. It IS the Al-Aqsa Mosque. Considering the fact that all religions come from the same source and Mohammad claimed he was from the same lineage as Moses, same origins, namely Abraham, the Al-Aqsa Mosque IS the infamous Temple.... just a theory....

Originally posted by FULCRUM

Well it is some thing like Mecca.. 1.Mecca 2.Karbala 3."The Dome of the Rock" Moslems most holy places.. if i aint wrong all these 3 are in "top 5" however.

No, it goes like this:

1) Mecca
2) Medina
3) Jerusalem

The Temple has been rebuilt. It IS the Al-Aqsa Mosque. Considering the fact that all religions come from the same source and Mohammad claimed he was from the same lineage as Moses, same origins, namely Abraham, the Al-Aqsa Mosque IS the infamous Temple.... just a theory....

Good theory, I wish it were true but that is not good enough for the Jews. They'll destroy the mosque to rebuild the temple.

Illmatic, you know as well as I do no one is going to destroy the mosque. Through the establishment of the waqf the Israeli government has taken a number of steps to make sure that the Mosque and the Western Wall (which both happen to be on not so stable earth) will remain intact and safe for all.

John, your "nothing besides what happens now matters" is not a particularly open minded or helpful view in the grand scheme of things. I think all things need to be considered equally. Also, why doesn't it bother you about the restrictive access forcing jews to be unable to visit the Cave of Patriarchs which is as holy to jews as Jerusalem is to Muslims i.e. not number 1... but up there.

Like I said John, when arabs controlled the temple mount jews weren't allowed near there. Can you honestly believe that if they were given any control of it now they would allow jews there now? Those of us who have been to Israel know how that will work.

You keep on hunting me down in my posts about giving an even story of both sides, and not be over critical of the one other. However, by the way you go off one every time Israel is criticised I would say it was YOU who is overly critical of Palestine. Your point of view is always from the Israelies, never the Palestines.

I've already explained to you a number of times why I do this but if you continue to ignore me I'm going to have to start ignoring you.

The Palestinians waqf has systematically, methodically and utterly destroyed everything related to Judaism or Christianity on the Temple Mount.
It has done this in view of the whole world - a world which has stood by and watched as one of it's most ancient holy sites has been totally desecrated.

www.har-habayt.org...


A direct comparison would be the Israelis bulldozing Mecca.

How's that for equality?