Why does people want to go to Heaven?

Yes, i wonder why people what to go to heaven?
Do you know what wait us all in there?

As far has i learned in church, when people die and they have enough "credits" they go to heaven otherwise Hell waits them.

In the sky we will the right to have a cloud were we will seat near enough to look at God for all eternity and rejoice with that. That's a nice view in short term, but if you imagine being seated for 10 000 000 years, should be enough of staring at God, and by the way the cloud is wet, and therefore not very confortable...and as the only instrument is the harp, we could play it until we burn out of "fingers".

Is that a little disapointing for the END with good "credits"? Is church covering the truth, or is that they don't know about OUR END (is it the End?)at all?

If we go to Hell because of not enough "credits", we after the same amount of time 10 000 000 years we will be adapted to the fire and smoke and all the stuff that happens there, because is natural in the Humans to adapt. Well after adaptation, what will the Devil do ? Raise de Temperature?

And how does God records all the actions of 6 billion of humans 24x7 to update the "credit" system?


I would like some feedback of you all in this.



Thanks in advance
crustas

Every different religion have have different reason for going to heaven. i think it is just religious crap, if you die your dead, your body just decay and nothing happens, you don't go to hell nor heaven.

I agree with ulshadow,

It's a load of nonsense. Live your life while you have it, make the best of it while you can.

That's my opinion.

Originally posted by Snoopdopey
Live your life while you have it, make the best of it while you can.

So what's stopping you from murdering someone? Nothing?

The belief in heaven is not "crap". People around the world have various beliefs whether religious ones, conspiracy ones, political ones etc.

Heaven may be a different picture based on your religion but of course, no one alive really knows the truth. For most Christians the trip to heaven is not based on credits, but faith in Christ and the need to want to be closer to Christ. I am sure there are those that want heaven thinking it is one big party but for some of us, it is a level above human that will allow us to hopefully understand our lives on earth and to have our questions finally answered about life.

There is nothing wrong with believing in something and certainly no need to mock those that do.

Originally posted by Jamuhn

So what's stopping you from murdering someone? Nothing?

your life or roit in jail and suffer before you die...

Originally posted by ulshadow
your life or roit in jail and suffer before you die...

So you don't kill someone because YOU don't want to go to jail?

Two additional questions,
1. Do you care or think about the person you are killing?
2. What do you think such laws against murder are based on?

No offense but I think this thread may be going off track or headed toward flames. The question is why do people want to go to heaven. As I answered, for me it is to be close to Christ and to unlock the answers of life. Perhaps other posters could answer why they would want to go to heaven? If you don't believe in heaven, fine, move on or just answer that if you did believe, this is what you think. Sound good?

people want to go to heaven because we have become aware of death, and what death actually means. there's no heaven for fish or monkeys or lions or turtles and we are no different, yet we 'like' to think we are. no matter how many books we write, how many flights in to space we make, how many pieces of art we create, we will always have that 'animal' instinct to survive, to kill, to mate, and ultimately screw up the planet.

Originally posted by Jamuhn
So what's stopping you from murdering someone? Nothing?

my moral standing, is stopping me from killing somone...i don't mean to sound harsh, but WTF kind of a stupid question is that???

the fact that i don't believe in your god, your heaven, or your hell means, i'm gonna go around killing people??? what the hell kind of sense is that supposed to make???

Perhaps its more like a video game?

Whenever you die you get the choice to return. If you choose to come back then your memory in heaven is cleared until you return. This would allow you to enjoy life time and time again and more importantly make your own choices. For example Jesus had no recollection of his intimate relationship with the Holy Father until later on in his life. I think that would be neat, however it's not exactly what I believe. There could be a million ways to approach this question. One of them being nothinginess and if thats what you believe.. more power to you!

All religious texts and practices are tools for everyday people to try and experience what a religious experience must be like. All religious Prophecy try to explain what seeing an actual vision must really be like. Only to us who have not had these direct experiences, they just seem like fantasy stories. With out the actual vision of heaven all we have to go on are the words of religious dogma. Obviously what mysteries the universe truely holds cannot be explained in one religion or a certain language or set of symbols. These are merely tools to help us awaken to true reality. It is doubtful more than a handful will truely awaken each year, or each hundred years.

You cannot come to the realization of reality by constantly building upon beliefs. All religions have something in common, and alot is borrowed/rewritten/slowly changed over time. But You have to realize that even the original religious ideas were just that - ideas. Try as we might we will never be able to explain fully the true reality of Everything. It is simply impossible to do. For as soon as you write it down you lose the original beauty of the truth. As soon as you explain Reality to someone the truth is muddled down by restrictive languages and art.

It is not possible to give someone the full experience; so the prophets only give us their impressions of the truth.

Obviously following this same reasoning, Heaven and Hell are inconciveable. We can guess that being without a body, things are much different. Like a wet cloud or firey pit are not physical objects like we would imagine here on Earth.

The only true way to know God is to know God as Unknowable. Then you can put your mind at ease. You now know for a fact you will never, in this life or any other, truely know God. Now all thats left is to enjoy life.

Ok, here we go.
Lets imagine that you, yes you, are God. You are all Existance, all Reality, EveryThing. We will call you by many names such as God but it doesnt change what you really are. You are a supreme intelligence and contain all Things. Outside of you is no-Thing, as you are every Thing. There is not blackness outside of you, as blackness is a Thing. There is not even nothingness because that would still be a thing. Apart from you, God, is an inconcievable void which you cannot know. You can also not know yourself. For without a background you cannot see yourself against it. Without the blackness you cant see what else there is. It would be like an eye trying to see its self, or a mouth eating its self.

Now because you have no way of seeing youself you need to move your intelligence away from its self inorder to look back on yourself and proclaim - There is God. So imagine that you are cut into many smaller peices. Your hands and eyes and mouth all split up and scattered. You are no longer the mass of Everything. Even much of your intelligence has been split up.

Eventually your hands and eyes and intelligence start to spring up in various places. Plants feel the warmth of the Sun and animals Taste and smell the plants. Dolphins and Ravens and Monkeys and other animals contain plenty of Intelligence. Then along comes Man. Made from You God, and endowed with your senses, made in your image. Man can look around at all the wonders of life and study it deeply.

Mankind is so good at observing that they break off into groups to concentrate more on Biology, Geology, Astronomy, Physics and so on. He has taken this whole existance and chopped it into easily identifiable peices. But as he dug deeper he started to see that Biology is heavily depenedant on Geology, and Geology on Atronomy, and so on. That infact all these seemingly separate fields are interconnected. In fact every Thing everywhere seems to have come from one original Source.

Finally You (acting as Mankind) can look back at yourself and say There is God.

*wow* that was deep!

But I think you know.

If you think Heaven is "crap" or that you don't want to be there, don't worry about it, you won't. Heaven isn't about you, its about God. Being there isn't about you, its about accepting that Christ died for you.
I think you will all find your answer though, the time comes when everyone has their dues to pay. In the end, we are all believers.

Why does people want to go to Heaven ?

To escape poor use of grammar ?

Originally posted by ulshadow
.... if you die your dead, your body just decay and nothing happens.....

True, that is what happens at the physical level only. But it does not tell us why people want to go to Heaven?.


Peace
Crustas

Originally posted by crustas

Originally posted by ulshadow
.... if you die your dead, your body just decay and nothing happens.....

True, that is what happens at the physical level only. But it does not tell us why people want to go to Heaven?.

Perhaps 'the spirit' is our default state and, fear of death aside, we subconciously want to get back to it [energy can't die it just changes].

I wouldn't like to go to Heaven.

My family are all non-christian (do not follow the Christian God) and will therefore go to Hell (according to Christian belief). I could not go to Heaven and live the paradise knowing my family are suffering in Hell.

Originally posted by anniejhops

Originally posted by anniejhops
Heaven may be a different picture based on your religion but of course, no one alive really knows the truth.

So, if no one really knows, it means that all religions are not telling us the truth.

Originally posted by anniejhops
For most Christians the trip to heaven is not based on credits, but faith in Christ and the need to want to be closer to Christ.

I could have faith and kill people anyway (The crusades).
Faith is our wish , but actions are manifestations of our faith and therefore what counts to the "credit" system. (faith one thing, our actions another)

What do you mean with the "it is a level above human"? Another dimension or really above towards the sky?

Originally posted by anniejhops
...allow us to hopefully understand our lives on earth and to have our questions finally answered about life....

It's like knowing the game rules after it has ended. That's what religions tell us, but if they don't really know, how can we? It's only a wishfull thinking.

Thanks for your feedback
Peace
Crustas

This question reminds me of a swedish song about this contradiction;

'Everyone wants to go to Heaven, but no-one wants to die'