Lazar Debunked!- Here is the Undeniable Proof!

What exactly does Lazar get right?

What did he get wrong? The dirt road to Papoose from Groom? (Which no one would have known exists in 1989), test flight times for the sports model? The knowledge of blacked out school buses, JANET flights, allergen tests, hand contour readers, the interior of Area 51 cafeteria, the buddy system, Wackenhut security procedures? EG&G recruitment procedures? All in 1989?

I don't think someone could make all that up from scratch. Could they be fed it on purpose? Sure. But I think Lazar tells it as he sees it. He has admitted himself he might have been used.

It's not the lies that we should be focusing on or 'debunking" him. It's the weird coincidences, incidents and government hijinks that have me thinking there IS something behind bob Lazar.

Los Alamos is a big one. The government said he never worked there at all, ever. George Knapp found proof of bob in their personel directory.

Lazar took people out to see test flights when he said there would be test flights at area 51. How did he know?

Maybe bob isn't a "scientist" but he did build a rocket powered car, his current or last business sold scientific supplies to government agencies and he build...I forget what an atom smasher or particle accelorator on his own? He's a smart guy.

originally posted by: amazing
It's not the lies that we should be focusing on or 'debunking" him. It's the weird coincidences, incidents and government hijinks that have me thinking there IS something behind bob Lazar.

Los Alamos is a big one. The government said he never worked there at all, ever. George Knapp found proof of bob in their personel directory.

Lazar took people out to see test flights when he said there would be test flights at area 51. How did he know?

A contactor confirmed he saw Lazar at Los Alamos.

link

The question is not whether Lazar is lying, he's not, as his demeanour makes obvious, the fact his story never changed since day 1 and he passed 2 lie detector tests. The real question is was Bob used for disinformation, the one problem I have with his story is he was hired will the full knowledge he was an acquaintance with John Lear. If I was hiring him on the most secret project in the US that would be a massive red flag, unless I wanted him to leak something....

originally posted by: tc2290

originally posted by: amazing
It's not the lies that we should be focusing on or 'debunking" him. It's the weird coincidences, incidents and government hijinks that have me thinking there IS something behind bob Lazar.

Los Alamos is a big one. The government said he never worked there at all, ever. George Knapp found proof of bob in their personel directory.

Lazar took people out to see test flights when he said there would be test flights at area 51. How did he know?

A contactor confirmed he saw Lazar at Los Alamos.

link

The question is not whether Lazar is lying, he's not, as his demeanour makes obvious, the fact his story never changed since day 1 and he passed 2 lie detector tests. The real question is was Bob used for disinformation, the one problem I have with his story is he was hired will the full knowledge he was an acquaintance with John Lear. If I was hiring him on the most secret project in the US that would be a massive red flag, unless I wanted him to leak something....

Bob was a contract employee at Los Alamos. Nobody denies that he was there. But so what does that prove?

originally posted by: tc2290

What exactly does Lazar get right?

What did he get wrong? The dirt road to Papoose from Groom? (Which no one would have known exists in 1989), test flight times for the sports model? The knowledge of blacked out school buses, JANET flights, allergen tests, hand contour readers, the interior of Area 51 cafeteria, the buddy system, Wackenhut security procedures? EG&G recruitment procedures? All in 1989?

I don't think someone could make all that up from scratch. Could they be fed it on purpose? Sure. But I think Lazar tells it as he sees it. He has admitted himself he might have been used.

You do realize the bus windows are not blacked out.

Regarding Papoose Lake, there really isn't a road. A trail, but nothing suitable for a bus.

The whole problem with Lazar's story is he made it up about a place of the range easily viewed from aircraft. Not so great from commercial flights, but no problem from a private aircraft. So he revealed nothing that wasn't general knowledge.

Base tests? A little evidence would be nice.

People that actually worked at Groom think Lazar is full of it.

Lastly, satellite imagery shows there are no hangars in the mountain. I've done the Mount Sterling hike and looked at Papoose myself. Zip. Nada.

originally posted by: tc2290
The question is not whether Lazar is lying, he's not,

Except about his degree from MIT....

and he passed 2 lie detector tests.

So did Ames....

a reply to: tc2290

You could also consider the fact that Lazar was a front-man for disclosure of some information and was told details that would be true but also to embellish other parts of his story to make it more unbelievable and questionable and always in doubt.

Personally, I don't believe the parts of his story about UFOs // sports models etc, Its more believable that he did work there but was the guy who refilled the vending machines.

It is even reasonable to suggest, that he could have been tested by security at the base. I for one would certainly test my employees if they worked for me at a secret installation. I would have a mock-up-joke "UFO" and let employees view it, see it, then monitor their communications outside of work over the coming days to see if they really are trustworthy when it comes to handling sensitive information.

a reply to: ghost

Hey Internet, we're p-owning this thread and will continue to defend Lazar and Lear here! We've seen the Bob Lazar Sport Model Spring of 1995 from less than kilometer away, so GAME OVER!

Here is video of Bob Lazar and John Lear taken on March 22, 1989. Bob was busted by Area 51 security right after making this video.

John Lear and Bob Lazar at Groom Lake (1989)

Remeber that the reason Bob Lazar left Los Alamos National Labratory to work Area-51 (S4) wasn't because he was obsessed with UFOs, but because Lazar coereced him into it. John Lear is the son of Bill Lear, (Founder/Inventor of the LearJet) and task his friend Bob Lazar (the physicist) with gaining entry to Area-51 (Nellis AFB/Groom Lake) to see the "latest fighter plane" that either Northrop, Boieng or Lockheed (Skunk Works) was working and test-flying out there. John is accomplished test-pilot and test-flew many fighter planes out on the dry lake bed himself. However, to everyone's suprise, Lazar's work at Area-51 took a dramatic turn into the "above-top-secret" S4 facility (Site #4), which was about 10 miles south of main Area-51 Groom Lake complex. Bob enhanced/revised his own academic credentials in order to gain employment through EG&G Technical Services and used his main contact at Los Alamos (Edward Teller, atomic bomb guy) for reference.

a reply to: stormrider111

Actually Bob hit up Edward Teller and asked him to get him a job at Area 51 as he wanted to work on something more important. Lazar never believed in UFO's or Aliens up until S4 (From what he said). I've met bob a few times, and he seems like a genuine guy. Though we really never discussed his work at Area 51, more about my work in Aerospace (Non ET related) but..... he knows his stuff, I was impressed.

a reply to: stormrider111

There is no evidence Bob worked for EG&G. Technically he never worked for LANL. He was a contractor there.

originally posted by: gariac
a reply to: stormrider111

There is no evidence Bob worked for EG&G. Technically he never worked for LANL. He was a contractor there.

While I agree with you for the most part, his name in the Los Alamos phone directory of employees and his pay stub or W2 lends credibility if nothing else. It doesn't exactly prove anything either.

Los Alamos Phone Book with Lazar Name

Lazars W2

"Undeniable proof"

Yea, right. This is not proof of anything. It's just opinions.

This is around for a long time, what is the current status of Lazar? Does anyone have an idea?

a reply to: vinifalou

He lives in Michigan now, still runs United Nuclear and does some contract work for the government from time to time. Last I heard and spoke with him at least……

originally posted by: EngineerGuY

originally posted by: gariac
a reply to: stormrider111

There is no evidence Bob worked for EG&G. Technically he never worked for LANL. He was a contractor there.

While I agree with you for the most part, his name in the Los Alamos phone directory of employees and his pay stub or W2 lends credibility if nothing else. It doesn't exactly prove anything either.

Los Alamos Phone Book with Lazar Name

Lazars W2

Again, he was a contract employee. He was never an employee of LANL. He worked for Kirk Meyer, which was a temporary agency back in the day. An equivalent today would be Robert Half.

The W2 is chump change.

a reply to: ghost

Now for His knowedge of Science! If he was a scientist, he should know something about basic physics, shouldn't he? I'll let you make up your own mind:



* There are such things as gravity waves, but they are not part of the electromagnetic spectrum as Lazar has claimed. They are ripples in spacetime, generated by large masses (orbiting neutron stars, black holes and the like), a much different critter from an EM wave. Real gravity waves pass easily through matter, and aren't likely to be contained in any sort of waveguide. Further, they can have essentially an unlimited frequency range, not the 2.5 GHz range as alluded to by Lazar.


A Scientist that doesn't know that Gravity isn't electromagnetic? Strange isn't it! You would think a scientist would know the diffrence.


I'm not sure if you genuinely believe that Lazar is lying about this gravity waves subject but Lazar has without a doubt been proven correct It has been named the zero point field,
The book you would need to read is called The Field by Lynne McTaggart universeisathought.files.wordpress.com...

So this now casts doubt on anything else your now discredited source comes out with, If someone can read this book then they are going to know that this guy is full of It and then check with their own experiences as this book explains so many things that cannot be explained

There is an underlying energy field that connects everything this is why people can see the future or be telepathic another shill to go with your one is James Randi read the book to see how he was proven to be a disinfo agent.

And its not exactly hard to scrub someones records of attendance at a university if what the target subject is proving that what they are teaching is BS

There are universities that are allowing students to study the phenomenon of the zero point field because it cannot be suppressed any longer if you want to research guys like Jacques Benveniste Fritz Albert Popp who were the leaders in these fields and see how they were treated by the same universities you claim wouldn't do anything bad like scrubbing records you will find out the truth.

Lazar debunked?

Yowzir, there are going to be a lot of people in this thread with egg salad all over their faces.

Not really. The post above yours, for example, points out some.

I'll raise another. While yes, gravitic bending of spacetime would INCREASE distance, a full space FOLD or creating a WORMHOLE in space through using gravity would indeed shave the distance. Of course, the power needed, as we understand it, is beyond our current scope of understanding, but the premise is certainly sound.

As others mentioned, his knowledge of Groom was actually supported, not debunked (and this facility has changed over time). In addition, he did successfully take members of the press (like Knapp) out to see tests.

I've had the pleasure to talk to him on several occasions, and he seemed perfectly genuine to me. Not that it is proof, of course, but taken in context, I still have to contend that the jury is out (and likely always will be) on Lazar. One thing, is that he's never changed his story on it, and these days, doesn't even want to talk about it anymore.

Last I knew, he was still happy at home, doing business as United Nuclear, etc.

A Scientist that doesn't know that Gravity isn't electromagnetic? Strange isn't it! You would think a scientist would know the diffrence

You mean like a debunker who doesn't know that Gravity and Electromagnetism are two completely different entities?

physics.stackexchange.com...

www.tapir.caltech.edu...

I do however, believe that Bob had a tendency to build himself up with white lies, like Caltech and MIT. I feel that though he is extremely intelligent, he was more of a loner at this, and only lied to bolster his own perceived expert status. When you study all of his life, you see a clearer picture of him emerge. Sadly, this propensity for falsifying such credentials makes it easy for folks to dismiss his claims. I'd normally agree with the skeptics on it, but having spoken with him, and learned so much about the guy (and with my own knowledge of how the defense contractors work from simply growing up with my father doing it), I just can't dismiss him out of hand.

God help me, but I honestly believe he was sincere in his story.

A lot of other weird coincidences too....

Like the MAJ on his security badge (i.e. Majestic), or the reference to the Zeti Reticuli system (Hill case ring a bell?).

it's just a bit eerie, especially when you see a guy who seems to have put little stock in, or shown interest in, the UFO field prior to this experience.

originally posted by: Gazrok

A Scientist that doesn't know that Gravity isn't electromagnetic? Strange isn't it! You would think a scientist would know the diffrence

You mean like a debunker who doesn't know that Gravity and Electromagnetism are two completely different entities?

physics.stackexchange.com...

www.tapir.caltech.edu...

I do however, believe that Bob had a tendency to build himself up with white lies, like Caltech and MIT. I feel that though he is extremely intelligent, he was more of a loner at this, and only lied to bolster his own perceived expert status. When you study all of his life, you see a clearer picture of him emerge. Sadly, this propensity for falsifying such credentials makes it easy for folks to dismiss his claims. I'd normally agree with the skeptics on it, but having spoken with him, and learned so much about the guy (and with my own knowledge of how the defense contractors work from simply growing up with my father doing it), I just can't dismiss him out of hand.

God help me, but I honestly believe he was sincere in his story.

Agree 100% with you. Too many weird little coincidences and things that just don't ad up. He knew stuff, knows stuff. Just quirky and full of little white lies so as to be unbelievable or easily dismissed out of hand, unless you really look deeper. Incredibly smart guy too. He runs a company called united nuclear that in addition to other things, sells stuff to the US government.