the v-chip

i was just fowarded this e-mail, dont know if anyone would really care, but it sounds like something of interest to this website...

'Health Chips' Could Help Patients in US
>Jul. 31--President Bush's former health secretary Tommy Thompson is
putting
>the final touches to a plan that could result in US citizens having a
radio
>frequency identification (RFID) chip inserted under their skin, The
>Business has learned.
>
>The RFID capsules would be linked to a computerised database being
created
>by the US Department of Health to store and manage the nation's health
>records. It could be the precursor to a similar scheme in the UK.
>
>The president's budget for 2006 continues to support the use of health
>information technology by increasing funding to $125m (?70m, E103m)
for
>pilot schemes.
>
>Thompson, now a director of Applied Digital Solutions, the company
that
>makes the chips, intends to publish the proposal in the next 50 days,
by
>which time he plans to have had a VeriChip inserted in his arm.
Thompson
>believes the capsules could help save thousands of lives every year.
>
>VeriChip spokesman John Procter says around 98,000 people die
needlessly in
>the US every year after being given inappropriate treatment because
their
>medical history was not available.
>
>"There is a vast range of people who could benefit from having an RFID
chip
>inserted under their skin as insurance against an accident. People
with
>adverse reactions to certain medicines such as penicillin, people with
>pacemakers, people with allergies, people with weak hearts, would be
made
>safer by a process that costs around $200 per person. In fact,
virtually
>everyone could benefit from having a chip inserted."
>
>The company intends to lobby the UK health authorities to inject the
chips
>into British patients.
>
>According to Procter, the chips can also be used for financial
>transactions. In Europe, the Baja Beach Club chain has introduced
chipping
>in the Netherlands and Spain.
>
>The VeriChip is inserted at the club and means club-goers will no
longer
>have to wait in line to pay to get in and will be able to use the chip
to
>pay their bar bill.
>
>Civil liberties groups such as Caspian in the US fear that the need
for
>increased security in the wake of terrorist attacks could act as a
catalyst
>for a more widespread use of VeriChips.

dillinger,
read my research on RFID technology. It should help to answer most of your questions.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here it is my friends, for two hundred dollars you can now purchase the mark of the beast, you could BUY away YOUR soul. Amagine, big brother can now track your every move, monitor your health, watch what you buy, or even disallowing you to buy anything with it which would be like stranding you on an island with just your clothes and some matches. What if this became the new "card" what if you needed it to buy goods? It would really be, the mark of the beast.

Originally posted by dillinger>
"There is a vast range of people who could benefit from having an RFID
chip inserted under their skin as insurance against an accident. People
with adverse reactions to certain medicines such as penicillin, people with pacemakers, people with allergies, people with weak hearts, would be made safer by a process that costs around $200 per person. In fact,
virtually everyone could benefit from having a chip inserted."

What happened to medical bracelets? I would much rather have an easy to read, non-technology dependant bracelet on my wrist than have a foreign object shoved under my skin. With all the possible flaws in technology like dead batteries in a portable RIFD reader, why risk it?

"everyone could benefit.." How exactly? I have no known allergies and no past medical history of any problem at all. How exactly would I benefit? (The amount of people it would benefit was repeated twice in that statement, along with the word people again and again.. really trying to hammer it in. And in all that only 2 people are described: those with weak heats and those with allergies.)

It doesnt matter how ridiculous it is. It will be common place in the future. (example: All new TV's will be HD compliant by 2009 and if you dont have an HD TV you will be stuck watching old DVD's or even your antique VHS; because all television broadcasts will be in HD by then.) We have no real choice as to what technology we accept. Maybe a small amount of leeway, but not much. Nothing short of massive protests will stop personal identification and data collection. By letting us buy our own lost privacy and increased control, we are given the feeling it was our own idea in the first place.

edit: edited quote, added sentence in parenthesis in paragraph2

[edit on 8/13/2005 by ViolatoR]

Oooh, now THIS is where being an old ATS returning member comes into its own...

I remember, maybe a year or so ago, probably more, we had a discussion about iniatives just like this. (It was on the ATS chat, so no records :p) A lot of us thought that technology like this really wasnt necessary, or at least it wasnt necessary to physically implant it in the recipient. Admittedly, that was for the whole "ID Card" concept, but I think the same could apply here. All you would need is maybe a watch or something, with sensors on the strap that are calibrated to be able to detect your pulse. That way it stops all this suspiscion to the effect of "well what if theyre trying to control my mind?" or "what if theyre trying to control me in terms of my sleep patterns?" or things like that.

If the people in charge of these things thought through what they did a little bit more, they might find that they'd meet with a bit more approval, and wouldn't come under such intense suspiscion.

Also, on the HD TV note, things are already changing. Some of the Next Gen Games Consoles are optimised for HDTVs.

I was going to post this in dark elf's thread but it's read only. Was going to send him a message to ask him to add material.. but i couldn't (because i have less than 20 posts)


Without going into great detail i'd just like to say that its critical that everyone know how to disable rfid chips, aswell as stating a couple of ways to disable chips.

1) Microwave Radiation

It builds up an electric potential on any piece of metallic substance... Eventually frying the chip due to being overjuiced.

However, this would most likely destroy all the other material that the rfid chip is hidden in.


2) Magnetic Fields

A moving magnetic field will produce a current in any coiled wire (in this case, the rfid antenna). I don't know the algorithims to figure out how much gauss would create x amount of current in x amount of wire.. So, im just going to go overboard and say 50gauss should be able to disable the chip with 1 wave of your hand (a 50 gauss magnet will crush your hand, or anything else inbetween it any anything metal.).

You could do this by making an electromagnet (copper coil around an iron rod) or by using a ferrite mineral magnet.

Originally posted by senseless04

I was going to post this in dark elf's thread but it's read only. Was going to send him a message to ask him to add material.. but i couldn't (because i have less than 20 posts)


Without going into great detail i'd just like to say that its critical that everyone know how to disable rfid chips, aswell as stating a couple of ways to disable chips.

1) Microwave Radiation

It builds up an electric potential on any piece of metallic substance... Eventually frying the chip due to being overjuiced.

However, this would most likely destroy all the other material that the rfid chip is hidden in.


2) Magnetic Fields

A moving magnetic field will produce a current in any coiled wire (in this case, the rfid antenna). I don't know the algorithims to figure out how much gauss would create x amount of current in x amount of wire.. So, im just going to go overboard and say 50gauss should be able to disable the chip with 1 wave of your hand (a 50 gauss magnet will crush your hand, or anything else inbetween it any anything metal.).

You could do this by making an electromagnet (copper coil around an iron rod) or by using a ferrite mineral magnet.

Thanks senseless. I'll put this in my next installment when i finish it.

About this Mark of the Beast business: Am I right when I say that it states in the bible that this mark of the beast requires that we would not be able to purchase or sell anything? Also, it seems as though there are different types of chips comming into production. For eg. you can get one at the club which you regular to automatically indicate whether you have acces to VIP or whatever? Then getting this particular chip would not condemn you.

But yes, in our generation we may have a choice about wether to use this technology, but I agree with ViolatoR that we do not have a choice in the matter of the evolution in technology: I cannot now choose to use video cassettes exclusively, as I would go to the video store and not be able to watch The Island or whatever is new.

Eventually people won't want to carry around bulky wallets or worry about getting ones cards lost or stolen, and will use this kind of technology. Will this happen in our generation? Probably not the whole world. Does the Bible's Revelation require absolutely EVERY human being on the planet to have this mark before Armaggedon?

If the US is going to try to sell the idea by saying that we will gain all these medical advantages then armaggedon is not too close yet. But, yes, this is scary stuff... we are incorporating electronical/mechanical parts into our bodies; we may be turning into the Borg!

i guess it all just seems inevitble now, everything is all lined up.

darkelf,

i just got done reading the rest of your report.. I kind of stopped halfway through and came back to it tonight.

The last sentence of your report kind of caught my eye. I forget which section it was under, but there was a guy posting a story about the axciom corp. getting hacked into. This is funny, because someone i knew (far from a friend, despised him actually) also hacked into acxiom corp. They're a data warehousing company who's clients include blockbuster, krogers, citibank, etc, etc. Pretty much every major company who provides some sort of consumer service to america.

www.acxiom.com...

"Privacy is the number one concern impacting Acxiom's delivery of technology and information products. Our privacy principles are what guide the way we do business across the globe every day."

But yet they leave encrypted (easily cracked) password files on their ftp server. He came to 2600 one day, asked a few of us 1on1 what our fathers name was or something weird like that. He then went and looked up that person's information within this database. He found something on everyone he tried to look up almost. Neither I nor any of my family were on this database. However my girlfriend at the time's parents and herself were on it. (They used citibank for their banking) Including SSN, Bank ACCT#s, and other information pertaining to their bank account. Anyone who uses blockbuster has their file and rent log stored here aswell.

I'd just like to note.. Everything im saying was relayed to me, i had no hand in this what so ever. So, when mr fbi reads this, dont come kick down my door as an accomplice. (And i have the best lawyer in our area on retainer.)

Oh and i just found this..

today.reuters.com...:urn:newsml:reuters.com:20050825:MTFH08973_2005-08-25_20- 29-13_N25700419:

Which suggests to me that there is a database with everyone's name, phone number and tracking information provided by the telco. If they can track the phone during a 911 call, whats to say they cant track us otherwise?




Kittens,

Ya, we're all hosed at this point. If anything was going to be done about this it wouldve had to had been done pre-2000. The mechanisms are already in place, and people are going to roll forward with this regardless of what people say.

But, dont give up the fight.

He shall not trade, buy or sell without the mark upon his hand..

Money.....it's money...money is the mark of the beast..... plain and simple money... what can't you buy anything without, what can you not trade today without, what can't you sell without receiving...money

the beast shall rule for a thousand years.....yup he has.... the church has ruled now for a thousand years....about the same time that money came in

nothing to do with God, nothing to do with Jesus....... just the church......




[edit on 26-8-2005 by Mayet]

most obviously just an attempt to closely monitor every living individual

if they are really trying that hard to stop people from dying they might as well legitimately throw a wrench in the gears of nature. How many times are humans going to beat population control? We've pretty much stopped everything except AIDS and that is even under a certain level of control. Maybe all these people that are dying are meant to die...perhaps it was their time...perhaps the planet said "I've had enough"...either way i think that this can only get worse...

just another one of my crazy theories

So you're saying we're supposed to get rid of all the money and do what?

You shall receive the mark on your hand or forehead. Sure i can hold my money, what happens when i put it in my pocket? How can i have the mark on my forehead with money?

You can still buy and sell without money. It is not required to live. Hell, you dont even need a job to live anymore with the way the social system is setup. Not to mention that money (in gold form) has been around for over 2000 years.

However, RFID implants can be used as money, if implemented you could not buy or sell without one (Money would not be accepted, only chips). Can be put anywhere on the body... hand, forehead, foreskin, whatever.

I thought the beast was supposed to rule for 7 years after 100 years of war?

Why do people always need some kind of religious implication before they decide if something is right or wrong? It doesnt take a rocket scientist or a biblical scholar to understand that we're all here equally. No one has anymore right to be here than anyone else. Therefore no one should have anymore rights than anyone else. (If people would be self sufficient there wouldnt be a need for centralized government.) But no, we have people who spill their coffee on themselves and sue mcdonalds for millions or others who go through school intentionally not learning how to read so they or their parents can sue for millions when that child graduations via social promotion.

I wish i had a big rocket ship and a moon base so i could just watch it all unfold. God better have a sense of humor.


Sacreligion,

It's funny that you mention aids.. A couple of months ago, a few friends and their girlfriends went to the "club". They were all saussed up and dancing etc.. having a good time i guess.. One of the girls felt a prick on the back of her leg, reached down to see what it was... Turns out it was a syringe in her leg with a sticker on it that read "welcome to the world of aids". She's currently still going through testing now to see if she's got it or not. There are a ton of "urban ledgend" stories on the internet about this. I've never heard of it before. Guess we'll have to wait to see if she's got aids or not. I do know them personally though, i heard the story straight from her.

They have no idea who did it. But the person who did it, is a good example of a product of american society and values. "Well, i was out getting hookers and i got aids, now im gonna give it to everyone else" never realizing that its his own damn fault in the first place. (All speculative of course, it couldve been osama bin laden for all i know)




[edit on 26-8-2005 by senseless04]

Many of the versions of revelations in the bibles i have read don't even mention the forehead..only the hand

the welfare system is consisted of..wait for it....money....

I am afraid in todays society money is required to live... cashless or not, society is built on money....

I thought the beast was supposed to rule for 7 years after 100 years of war?

what bible are you reading?

I am confused.

How can a chip in your arm condemn you to hell?

I have started a thread about how the bible was mistranslated on the 'camel trhough the eye of a needle' subject, could this topic also be mistranslated?

- Nazgarn the confused and befuddled.

I grew up going to a christian school, attending church etc.. Due to my "forced" religious view i've grown to kind of despise religion. Anything i've ever read or heard has come from the king james version. I must say i havent throughly read it or any version.

my problem is that king james had the bible re-written to take out divorce (or so ive been told, i think there are other things more important to research). But, given the number of times the bible has been translated and the way in which it was translated or manipulated there really isnt anyway i see that you'll be able to pull any usefull information without making assumptions. That, plus the fact that all western christian religions are more or less derived from catholisism has me very disturbed.

I remember something about, 100 years of war, 7 years of peace, antichrist claims hes jesus and takes credit for peace, during this time he implements the 666 system (The, "take it or you cant buy sell or trade" thing.. This is why i think it's the RFID because i was told that it was implemented after he says hes christ.), then hell on earth ensues.

A friend of mine lives in a national forest as a ranger type person, he lives on the land for free. Grows his own food (eats mostly fish caught from the local lakes).

There is actually an entire community of people in SC (i go down there for white water rafting) who grow their own food, and trade food between each other. One has livestock, one grows vegetables, one grows spices and herbs, one does honey, etc.

Indians self sustain themselves without money.. Although, obviously due to all the casinos they would rather have it =)

Lets not forget about the amish. they're self sustaining, but usually still do use money.

Originally posted by nazgarn
I am confused.

How can a chip in your arm condemn you to hell?

have you ever tried to live without money??????? i have.though it is at first or can be very unsettling, your forced to "let go"and trust..........have faith.the "chip" will not in itself send you or anyone to hell but is a FINAL and permenant symbol,meaning that you do not have something substancial within yourself besides what the government dictates you must have.IT IS IN PRINCIPLE THAT ASKS YOU EITHER, YOU ARE WITH SATAN? OR YOU ARE WITH GOD? until now we have all had a sort of grace period where that question which is reserved for after we die will be answered when we are alive......then EVERYONE will know which side of the line everyone stands on.

The Bible...

I think that the perfect example as to why Revelations cannot make too hard a case on as to whether we are all going to die because that the Bible is very much like ATS. Yes... In this thread alone we have seen how many of us have been led to believe in many different 'versions' of what the bible tells. These 'versions' have been brought about by someone with a certain interpretation of his readings of Revelations has had the idea that it must mean x, y and z.

So from this thread someone reading it would be very confused as to what Revelations is saying. Now back in the day when the Bible was being written, things were very much like they are in the 911 threads. Some guys went and wrote some things down that we now call the Bible, then those things that were written down were translated in such a way as to try and bring across the message of what the original authors were really trying to say. But what were they trying to say? And so the story unfolds as it is passed down and is every time slightly altered.

I am a Christian and I believe in the general overal flow of the things happening in the Bible. I know the above explanation is something we have heard plenty times before, but nevertheless, it is true. Also, there is much doubt surrounding the author of Revelations and reason as to why it was added to the Bible in the first place. It is like trying to compile a book of The Truth of 911 from the posts on this site. I can choose to take all the neo-conservative, pro Bush posts and compile a book that would have a very different meaning to one consisting of posts by normal people... just kidding, I mean by anti-Bush hard-line conspirologists.

Does Doomsday await when I want my Mastercard in my forearm? Maybe, but I dont think so. I am one who thinks that Revelations is something like Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, its a childrens book, but it was written with all kinds of narcotics flowing through the veins of Lewis Carrol.

nazgarn is not so much that it can condem you to hell......it's what it is...."A MARK" basicly showing your property of the beast......i've heard of various places they want to put it in the body under the skin.....the real question is....if you get it....will you be able to de-mark yourself.....I and many others I know won't hesitate to cut it out of our own bodys.......