WAR on...........PORN?

OK, excuse me for my ignorance but aren't there more important things for the justice depertment to worry about right now?
abcnews.go.com...

Ashcroft had planned on launching the anti-obscenity initiative back in 2001, but was sidetracked by the 9/11 terror attacks. Now the issue is once again a priority for the Justice Department.

It's all getting a bit scary if you ask me.

first it was war on terrorism and now its war on porn.whats next??

[Edited on 28-8-2003 by infinite]

how about war on illiteracy?

how about a war on hunger?

or unemployment?

or homelessness?

or cancer?

i can sit here all day and think of better things to go after than porn! i dont give a jag if someone wants to watch porn all day and give himself calluses on his hands.


ashcroft should burn in hell!!!!

hmmmm I do agree that compared to other things, porn is not really a priority. And really its another one of those adult choices we should all be allowed to make - at the end of the day its usually only people doing what we all do in the privacy of our own homes.

However the article does seem to point to a crackdown on the less pleasant aspect of pornography - underage girls and violence against women. The subject matter itself doesn't personally offend me - many people have rape type fantasies and I can understand any man who finds a teenage girl arousing. But there are laws against these things actually being acted out, and if the pornography involves underage girls and/or actual as opposed to pretend violence, then the makers need dealing with because they are essentially abusing the 'actresses'

Originally posted by infinite
first it was war on terrorism and now its war on porn.whats next??

[Edited on 28-8-2003 by infinite]

Well said!!

Enough with the Damn Wars!!!!

Is that all a Government is capable of doing??? That is what their track record seems to point toward. So why is it that when you tell people that their government is trying to destroy them they think you're crazy??? Obviously that is the only action our Government is capable of taking.

EDIT: This would've been funnier during Clinton's Term!!

[Edited on 28-8-2003 by mOjOm]

War on Porn, but get those commandments out of this court! Hehe....even the Conservatives can't make up their minds!

A War on Porn will be even more ineffective than the War on Drugs... What a waste of time, money, and resources.... I can see a crackdown on some of the more unsavory stuff (as Arc mentioned), but hardly a priority...when you're busy trying to get the egg off your international face.....

arc is right on with this. As long as the people making the porn follow the law, I could care less. We already have strict laws in place against statutory rape and violence..agaist either sex. As I've said for a long time about the gun control issue also applies to this. We don't need more laws just better enforcement of the current laws. We don't need a new law making things illegal just to reinforce existing ones. This way of thinking is counter-productive. We can make laws all day long but when we refuse to punish those that commit the crimes, we turn to the need for more laws to lower the frequency of violation. they are redundant and useless..just like the additions of the gun control laws because when a gang-banger comes in to the courts, the fact that he was in possession of an illegal weapon seems to have no bearing on the speed at which the judge slaps him on the wrist and releases him back into society to commit more crimes. Better enforcement. We have enough laws.

I went to check out the story from ABC news that was given and read this: "One of the confiscated movies, Forced Entry, features three graphic scenes of women being spat upon, raped and murdered. Extreme Teens #24 has adult women dressed up and acting like little girls in various hard-core pornographic scenes."

I personally do not have a problem with porn, as long as it shows situations where consenting adults are engaged in mutual pleasure, but it crosses the line when the film is showing rape and murder.

I do agree though that it is a persons right to produce and view such films, I just personally disagree with the content of some of it.

Can I prosecute the Bush administration for viewing the human carnage that I see from Iraq, since they are responsible for those pictures and scenes??

Like most people here I havn't a problem with porn as long as it is not promoting violence, use of force or underage sex. To be honest any porn I've ever seen falls into one of two categories, boring or offensive and sometimes both and even the milder sort, by it's very nature tends to vaguely degrade/dehumanise the people involved. There are more pressing things we should be concerning ourselves with.

Originally posted by astrocreep
We don't need more laws just better enforcement of the current laws. We don't need a new law making things illegal just to reinforce existing ones. This way of thinking is counter-productive.

well you see with every new law the politicians pat each other on the back and think they did something special and then the sheeple who vote for them feel better but reality is nothing is being done, just more laws that dont do anything.

you're right, we dont need more laws, we just need to enforce the ones we already have and enforce them more.

Yes, i am finding Asscroft more and more offensive by the day. Alot of porn out there is offensive and is based on desires and fantasies to degrade and abuse. But so long as the actors are all consenting adults getting paid, who cares? As long as its all pretend with legal adults who consent, I could care less about what people wanna whack off to in the privacy of thioer own homes.

Hell start with the rape porn, but then hell move onto gay and lesbian porn, then hell, any porn that doesnt show missionary style sex used purely for procreation....

this is Bull#. Fourth reich, say hello to America.

"One of the confiscated movies, Forced Entry, features three graphic scenes of women being spat upon, raped and murdered. Extreme Teens #24 has adult women dressed up and acting like little girls in various hard-core pornographic scenes. We can't even tell you the title of one of the films."

OK first of all, for the record; I'm okay with porn. But I must say women being depcited as being raped and/or killed so some person can get off is wrong! Honestly, it makes me sick, and very sad, to think of it.... it scares me that people want to see that and even more so that people will reinforce that type of behavior!!

Ultimately, behaviors that blatantly promote and/or reinforce violence toward unwilling participants should not be accepted ... enforcing the "federal obsenity laws" in this case seems appropriate, but I wouldn't consider it appropriate for most porn...


I think some of you are over-dramatizing that this is a "war on porn" ; it seemed more against obsenity in general...

On one hand, I think people should have the freedom to do what they want, but on the other, this is the real world and people do some horrible crap; for the sake of the entire society we should refrain from accepting, or endorsing destructive behavior.... Odd that the Bush administration would try to stop something like that? Oh I get it, it's because he wants to limit our freedom for his own self-interest I simply think that if their involved, something is up...something we most likely wouldn't suspect...

-JAH

You install a Fundamentalist, and you have these things happen.

HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE!

Upon being installed as the AG, his first budget request did not include any counterterrorism spending! it did, however, include a ton of this sort of allocation.

The porn industry is liscensed, taxed, and a very large part of what the entertainment industry contributes to our GDP. Also, there are women & men who are safely sucking toes, whipping azz and making believe they are raped in front of the warming glow of the cathode ray tube & their VCR......much better in their minds & in their homes, no?

You install a Fundamentalist

Thats just it...we DIDN'T install him! We voted for the other guy!

this is crap. It's been said that porno and gaming helps drive info. tech - and I work in IT. so, down with Ashcroft!

Plus, porn allows independent video rental stores to compete with Blockbuster video.

If the porno offends you -don't watch it! It's that simple. Are horror films next? I mean - those are violent too.

Ashcroft's wife is a rape victim - he's probably blaming the porno business.

I love this quote from the article:

"We're facing more time than the guy that they just arrested that was trying to sell the surface-to-air missile," said Zicari.

.....laid down & let it happen. They should have fought tooth & nail......but no, he was barber-shop-quartet-fire-brimstone-Johnny.

Does anyone know if there's been a thread on one of our biggest problems in this country: Christian Fundamentalism?

This will just boost profits for my home porn buisness.

Everytime they claim war on anything, it gets worse. Fu*king christian values!!! The main problem here is, it's not just the children they're parenting. It's every adult in America.

Wired

ShortNews

Originally posted by Fury
This will just boost profits for my home porn buisness.

LMAO!!! No but seriously though..... this Ashcroft is starting to piss me off. Whatever Porn people wnat to watch in the privacy of their homes is their bussiness. War on Porn...... gimme a break.

Like Reno was any better?

Point is, ANYONE that's the AG is going to be an A-hole!