guys and porno...why?

DigitalGrl,

You can tell by my previous posts (hopefully) that I did indeed read through the entire post. I just thought it would be amusing to kick start the thread with my last post. I like this thread. I sort of use it for a humorous train of thought now and again. I meant no offense, but the fact that there are naked women in porn is a good reason (probably the #1 reason) men watch porn.

male...pornography ..

Access to a woman and her body .. his fantasys dreams and expectations cheaply and without rejection.

female pornography...

access to her dreams fantasys expectations..including the male body ..cheaply and without rejection often times to include without work...or work..within a female social framework.and not outside of this framework.


for cheaply and without rejection you can substitute the line... "on their terms."


Thanks,
Orangetom

Originally posted by Tinkleflower

Secondly.

IT'S NOT JUST THE BOYS

Just as some guys are completely turned off by porn, some girls find it to be the sexual equivalent of a tub of Ben & Jerry's. Except it's less fattening and won't rot your teeth.

Gotta love you !!! ROFL...isn't that the truth.

Point is maybe guys are more "connected" to porn because the market seems to be more directed at them.

Besides...remember, all Eve had to do was ask " Hey Adam, wann' bite ?"

Hows that for an easy, billion making market ?

Originally posted by DigitalGrl
...it isnt why does every guy look, its about why do guys in a relationship with someone whom they claim to love look at porn when they know their partner is uncomfortable with it and they promise not to.

I really don't see what it is hard to understand about this. I don't see what is SO terrible about looking at porn. A) If she can't handle his looking at porn, then she can lose the loser, and B) if he wants the girl so bad, he could manage to keep a promise. If he can't keep the promise - then please refer to A) again...

:bnghd:

Originally posted by orangetom1999
I don t know where you went to school but you need to check your post again closely. I know women for whom the attraction to the male reproductive organs are very pronounced and advanced. I can even say that for some of them it is the only life skill they have..anything else would take real commitment.
While Im not going to dwell alot on this line of thought I just felt that your posting was not well atuned to the reality I know.

Sorry for the delayed responce,

Im sorry my reality does not match yours, however I was not speaking from any school or textbook or gossipy magazine. I was speaking from personal and peer opinions. I am sorry you are accustomed to women who only have visual attraction to men as their only "life skill".

Also, as ZZZ quoted earlier

Women are not, in the main, turned on by pictures of nudes . . . Women may be aroused by pictures of couples coupling—because what they are seeing, in however sterile a sexual context, is a relationship in action. Women are not excited by a picture of male genitalia by itself . . .

...Women are much more aroused than men by romantic words, images, and themes in films and stories. Women’s sexual fantasies include more affection and commitment. Women often dwell on their own emotional reactions
www.contentwatch.com...

So where did YOU go to school? considering you have insulted mine and ZZZ's education levels.

And yes..women lust ....alot ...just on different terms than men but it is lust none the less.
I have been around enough women like and when they dont have access to their male on time .they become extreamly irate and out of control. Another word would be obscene. Turn a woman down when she is in this condition ..you find that some dont take rejection any better than a man.

Being rejected like that is not just a shock to their physical system but also their emotional. I am not saying that women do not experiance physical wants, but I think emotional is a larger part of it to them than for men.

---Pineapple

punch,

i understand it perfectly. my friend however doesnt. so i posted it on here....so she could get more of a perspective instead of just mine. i couldnt agree with you more...unfortunatly she is a bit slow lol

kind regards,
digitalgrl

You posted:

"Im sorry my reality does not match yours, however I was not speaking from any school or textbook or gossipy magazine. I was speaking from personal and peer opinions. I am sorry you are accustomed to women who only have visual attraction to men as their only "life skill".

My statement was to the effect that I know "some" women ..not all the women I know are like this.. I am accustomed to more that this in women. I have just noted this type of conduct among " some " of them.

Your posting does however show your emotional level as well as how your education puts it to use...thanks. Well done!!

I dont expect your reality level to match mine...no need to be sorry about it..

If you go back and look at my postings I stated that women see visually in much more of a spectrum than do men...much wider. This accounts for much of the difference in what they see , expect ,and believe than do men. Advertising and merchandizing clearly take this into account when merchandizing women. What a dumb bunch of men to miss this fact.
This is also reflected in television and movie programming.

Thanks,
Orangetom

you posted

"i understand it perfectly. my friend however doesnt. so i posted it on here....so she could get more of a perspective instead of just mine. i couldnt agree with you more...unfortunatly she is a bit slow lol "

Thanks for the clarification ..I think I understand.

Thanks,
Orangetom

you posted on the first page of this thread:

"I agree. Men (and women) have brains.

The hypothaulmus creates neuro-protiens (neuro-peptides) which are chemical protiens created to deliver messages to cells throughout the body. The cells then become addicted to the neuro-peptides that they recieve more of. Hence = chemical addiction to chemicals produced by their own brain. She (the girlfriend), probably doesn't really fit into the equasion, since she is responsible for him creating different neuro-peptides, which he is also addicted to.

Also, do you know the ratio of women to men who star in porn?

For every man who was in a porn last year, there were 71 women who starred in porn, according to my friend, David Slaughter, 1 of only 2 licensed porn producers here in Vegas.

And as for the women being perfect, I've never known more disturbed personalities, even with working in a mental hospital for 10 years."


I tend to agree with the premise of your posting ....except the peptides part.

The reason you find so many more women in this area of employment is that it is a quick way for some women to make money before the biology runs out and thier value in the marketplace drops. It is a way to make quick money with a minimum of work.
I posted earlier about a definition ..using within a female social framework. This often includes working in a arena without immediate physical risk..ie being wounded on the job, amputated..et al. This meaning your physical person being injured such that your value in the marketplace is not depreciated. The pornography industry offers just such a lure to them verses other types of work.
This is very similar and parallel to what my friend experienced when he discovered so many women willing to come over with their children and offering him sex to secure hopeful access to his property , bank account , labor, and soul. Offering him what they thought he needed through " their" vision...visual..not what he really needed. Sometimes the standard reply when he didnt bite down hard on the fishing lure..was..." You used me". Many men have experienced this and sat in mute silence allowing these women to play through on these assumed settings on their dials. This too is obscene and pornographic. Not much diffrence in this conduct and the pornography buisness when you break it down to the lowest common denominator.

Thanks,
Orangetom

Originally posted by orangetom1999



I tend to agree with the premise of your posting ....except the peptides part.

Then what would you say occurs within an individual that stimulates the entire body, if not for the chemicals produced by the body?

Also, the fact that after mitosis occurs, and a sister/daughter cell is produced: The new cell will have more specific receptors for the neuro-peptide that the parent cell recieved, or was bombarded by, more so than the parent cell.

In other words:
Whatever neuro-peptided is delivered to a cell more than any other, then when that cell splits, the new cell will be different with regards to the fact that the new cell will have more receptors for the neuro-peptide the parent cell recieved more of than any other neuro-peptide.

Still may sound confusing?
Then:

Lets say a cell has 1,000 receptors on it.
500 = Nurtient Proteins
100 = Happiness
100 = sadness/depression
100 = victimization type neuro-proteins
100 = waste disposal "dockings"
100 = Oxygen "intake dockings"

Now lets say that cell recieves more victimization chemical messages, three times more than any other message/food it recieved.

Since the chemical message changes the nucleus of the cell's programming, when the next cell is formed through mitosis, the next cell may have receptors that fit this ratio:
400 = Nutrient Proteins
100 = Happiness
150 =sadness/depression
200 = victimization type neuro-proteins
50 = waste disposal "dockings"
100 = Oxygen "intake dockings"

Since an addiction is something that most define as something you cannot stop:

Porn is only addicting (as is everything) if you bombard your cells over long amounts of time to the stimulis and neuro-proteins/peptides that are the emotional messages we send them.

Before you say that this is a bunch of bs:
This is also what make heroin so addictive, your cells create more receptors for the heroin, less for the nutrients the cells need to live healthy, same with alot of drugs.

And if your body gets addicted to drugs in this manner, its not a far leap to believe your cells get addicted to the drugs your body produces. We can see it happen under the microscope.




SO, Digitalgirl:

Your friend's objective should be to re-program the cellular encoding of each cell in her man. Simple enough? No? They should make a movie together.

actually,

My friends solution should be to dump the guy if his morals dont match hers and she isnt happy with him. it's fairly simple really. so i posted the problem on here because i wanted her to see for 1. the possible reasoning why he did it from a males perspective, and 2. to see that other people besides myself realise if a person is meant to be with you you shouldnt have to change them or yourself to fit a certain mold. compromise is one thing, but to me at least, when it comes to morals and the person you are with isnt willing to respect your morals and instead lies and manipulates your relationship to seem as though it is respectful to your beliefs then you should leave them. especially in her case, shes not even 20 yet nor is she married or has kids, and its only been like a year that they have been together.


if my bf lied to me after saying he agreed with me on the porno issue and said he would respect my wishes in not looking at it and then went and did it behind my back and spent large amounts of money on it, i would just say "ok you can do what you want to do thats fine but count me out because this doesnt work for me" and then id leave. The issue to me isnt just about "oh he looks at porn" its the fact that a promise was broken one that was known ahead of time that if it was it would crush the person emotionally.

my friend on that other hand although i think she is seeing it more logically "i hope" has the personally type of being kind of submissive and passive so in turn she stays and is constantly feeling less self worth because she knows he is going to continue to look at porn. and that to me....is stupid. they arent married, they dont have a kid, they dont HAVE to stay together and work this out.

but our efforts have made no dents on her...at least not many. and its not my problem frankly nor is it any of yours. not to say that we dont care that she is sad but their comes a point when a person has to make a concious decison whether they WANT to suffer or not. you know what i mean? wow,, after 19 years on this earth i did learn something lol

thanks again for all your posts guys.

we can move this thread into a different direction now if you wish into other issues relating to pornongraphy because the problem that my friend is having is getting old

so bring on the issues!!!

Kind Regards,
DigitalGrl

[edit on 10/01/2004 by DigitalGrl]

Zooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!


Ever heard of the KISS principle. Keep it simple stupid!!!!

If you are in fact in the military as you say you should be well aware of it..as a standard working principle.

By the way I build submarines and Aircraft Carriers for a living and am involved in Nuclear refueling. Spent four years myself wearing the Air Force Blue.

KISS keep it simple stupid...

Now that we have that out of the way...look back at your postings and keep in mind the KISS principle.

What you post means almost nothing to me...it looks good in scientific treatises Scientists can spout off Bravo Serria too..so can Engineers. .but any woman of talent here can take the short cut around anything you or they post by a long shot. Way around what you post.
Get a clue...such styling and profiling means nothing to the average poster here...speak English.


Gotta shove off to work.
Thanks,
Orangetom

you posted:

"if you wish into other issues relating to pornongraphy because the problem that my friend is having is getting old "

I see this alot over the years. People with problems and unable because of lack of thinking and being able to think outside the standard settings unable to come to a conclusion on how to conduct themselves. It does get olde. Not just on relationship issues but personal issues too.

Thanks for your posts,
Orangetom

the guy isn't satisfied with her (probably not) or he just um mastubates. thats all I can say. you don't look at it for fun. its never that way

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist06
the guy isn't satisfied with her (probably not) or he just um mastubates. thats all I can say. you don't look at it for fun. its never that way

I have no idea what you mean here?

Are you saying men don't look at porn for fun?

Only because he's not satisfied with his partner?

Help me out here?

i watch for fun, and for other reasons somtimes, depends on the humour i'm in and the porn. i don't get what the big deal is,he's probably lied because it was at the start of the realationship but being honest, if she's not going to get over it then you're probably right, they should break up.

Originally posted by DigitalGrl

SO i need some guys in here to give me some feedback.

If you were a guy dating a completely gorgeous girl and you had a great sex life with her, you wanted to marry her, and you know if you looked at porn it would hurt her feelings, why would you do it...

Its not correct to say that it really hurts her feelings. She is not hurt. She is only affraid.

Boys mind it when their girl looks at another man. In fact it pisses them off.

But a woman only minds it when her man actually has FEELINGS for another woman.

She doesnt really mind him looking at some magazines, or even a nude show.

Women only pretend to mind. They are acting. They are simply suspicious that he might fall for another woman. Men often tend to do exactly that.

Women are, by nature, suspicious of men's activities.

Men are so ungrateful, even when they have a princess in their home.

being a girl myself who would not at all be ok with my boyfriend/husband looking at porn have to disagree with you partially.

yea part of it is because i would be afraid...not that he would leave me but that he would compare me and maybe think of that other woman while he was "with" me. all woman want to feel like we complete our man's fantasies. that we have fullfilled all their needs.

the part where i disagree with you is where you said its not because there are hurt feelings involved. if i was my friend i would be hurt. but for me its on a basis of morals and what i want my role to be. i want to be the one that he wants to look at and pleasure him. i want to be the one that he seeks out to watch get naked...i dont want him looking at some other girl. its disrespectful. if the girls says shes ok with it then that is one thing but if she says shes not and you stay with her, and then do it any way behind her back, that is disrespectful.

but everyone has their own opinons on this. and to each his own. its really about what the boundaries people have set in their own relationships.

anyway. the problem with my friend is getting old and its been a while since it happened and its been discussed going from just about every angle so ...


MODS YOU CAN CLOSE IT NOW. the situation with my friend has run its course on this thread.

thanks to all who participated in this thread. i appreciate all your comments. as for ashley...who knows what she will do...all i know is, it's getting old lol.

Thanks again,
Kind Regards,
DigitalGrl

I'm a chick and I LOVE porn. I think a lot of other women do too, but just don't want to admit it. Guess I just wanted to get that in before the thread closed.

[edit on 9/12/05 by eeper69]

Let's end this thread with grace and dignity....Seeing as how I think every possible opinion under the sun has been offered up here! And all in good clean fun too - Right on!

A little Green Day is in order...

"Sit around and watch the phone, but no one's calling
Call me pathetic, call me what you will
My mother says to get a job
But she don't like the one she's got

When masturbation's lost its fun
You're

breaking"



[edit on 9/12/2005 by EnronOutrunHomerun]