The Great Seal on the back of the dollar bill is not a masonic symbol!

"Novus" means: new, young, fresh, novel. "Ordo" means: series, row, order. "Seclorum, a shortened form of seculorum (sæculorum), is the plural of seculum (sæculum), means: generations, centuries, ages.
www.greatseal.com...

The U.S. State Department translation of "novus ordo seclorum" is:

"A new order of the ages"

So, I believe I'm correct.

Originally posted by sebatwerk

Originally posted by JerryFletcher
Correct me if i'm wrong but don't you have the skull and bones logo on your avatar?? And the Illuminati pyramid?

The skull and bones logo? I'm sorry, but my fraternity (Freemasonry) was using the skull and crossbones as a symbol hundreds of years before the Yale debate frat even existed! And what exactly is an Illuminati pyramid? I have an all-seeing-eye in my avatar, which has also been a masonic symbol for hundreds of years.

Besides, what was the point in asking those questions?

sebatwerk not to be picky but you realy must make up your mind here. Is it or is it not a masonic symbol? I took this quote by you from this thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I'm interested to know if this is true or not. I've wondered about it since I first heard it was. Can you tell me why you state it is and is not in the same day?

Edit: Forgot to add that the all seeing eye is on the back of the dollar bill, and has been termed an illuminati symbol.

[edit on 7-8-2005 by Raist]

I sometimes doubt whether the Mason's here are real Mason's.

Originally posted by Nventual
I sometimes doubt whether the Mason's here are real Mason's.

You are right is he even a real mason? In that same thread he accused another member for impersonating a mason.

[edit on 7-8-2005 by Raist]

It seems that every man and his dog jumps on the bandwagon and puts on a masonic avatar and then starts defending anything to do with masons or secret societies.

Originally posted by Nventual I sometimes doubt whether the Mason's here are real Mason's.

You'll have to join and receive your "Albert Pike" decoder ring to know for sure.
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Originally posted by Raist
sebatwerk not to be picky but you realy must make up your mind here. Is it or is it not a masonic symbol? I took this quote by you from this thread.
I'm interested to know if this is true or not. I've wondered about it since I first heard it was. Can you tell me why you state it is and is not in the same day?

The all-seeing-eye is a symbol that has been used by COUNTLESS organizations. But in the original post of this thread I wa snot talking about the all seeing eye, I was talking about the eye on top of the unfinished pyramid! THAT is not, nor has ever been, a masonic symbol.

You are right is he even a real mason? In that same thread he accused another member for impersonating a mason.

Yes, I am a real Freemason. I received my 3rd degree from Redondo Lodge #328 in Redondo Beach, CA , received my 32nd degree from the Long Beach Scottish Rite temple in Long Beach, CA and received my Mark Master degree from Santa Monica Bay Chapter #97 of the Royal Arch masons of California. I am a VERY active member in all organizations.

Now can you guys stop attacking me and discuss the topic?

[edit on 7-8-2005 by sebatwerk]

Originally posted by Nventual
I sometimes doubt whether the Mason's here are real Mason's.

Of course you do, because you hate the fact that what we say regarding Freemasonry doesn't coincide with your ignorant and shallow conspiracy theories. You find that the only way to attack our message is to simply attack us, and our credibility. That's incredibly childish, and shows your lack of a strong argument.

The fact of the matter is that we are all masons, and the cowans who have used a masonic avatar and then shown themselves not to be Freemasons have all been called out as impostors.

[edit on 7-8-2005 by sebatwerk]

Do we have a topic here? I thought it was about the Great Seal?

Originally posted by intrepid
Do we have a topic here? I thought it was about the Great Seal?

We did, until certain people decided to attack the author of this thread personally, instead of his message.

So, moving on, I believe that the author of the page I provided a link to gives INCREDIBLY strong arguments against the theory that the Great Seal is a masonic symbol. I would love to hear someone else's opinion on this, and to understand how they could deny the information that was provided.

[edit on 7-8-2005 by sebatwerk]

Originally posted by Nventual
"Novus" means: new, young, fresh, novel. "Ordo" means: series, row, order. "Seclorum, a shortened form of seculorum (sæculorum), is the plural of seculum (sæculum), means: generations, centuries, ages.
www.greatseal.com...
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So, I believe I'm correct.

Yet the word Secular is derive from the same latin word...saeculum
en.wikipedia.org...
encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com...

So, now we would revert back to this more secular meaning...

Novus Ordo Seclorum = New Secular Order...

Originally posted by intrepid
Do we have a topic here? I thought it was about the Great Seal?

How's that for a seal?

On a more serious note, here is an interesting website that addresses the pressing issue of the one dollar bill:

www.wealth4freedom.com...

As to the status of any particular member of ATS and whether they are a Mason... The majority of those that purport to be, are... As is the author of this thread... The juvenile celestial body closest to the Earth that has participated... Is not.

I would urge the profane to abstain from making such claims, the Brethren are quite adept at recognizing each other (I think it would amuse our Brethren from earlier times that recognition was possible from halfway around the world), and any attempt to assume the identity of a Brother will be quickly revealed. While the term "Cowan" is hardly harsh compared to the frequent diatribes that (dis)grace this forum, it does accurately describe such indiscretion.

Tyler Monkeys, not just standing guard with a drawn banana anymore...

Originally posted by sebatwerk

Originally posted by Raist
sebatwerk not to be picky but you realy must make up your mind here. Is it or is it not a masonic symbol? I took this quote by you from this thread.
I'm interested to know if this is true or not. I've wondered about it since I first heard it was. Can you tell me why you state it is and is not in the same day?

The all-seeing-eye is a symbol that has been used by COUNTLESS organizations. But in the original post of this thread I wa snot talking about the all seeing eye, I was talking about the eye on top of the unfinished pyramid! THAT is not, nor has ever been, a masonic symbol.

You are right is he even a real mason? In that same thread he accused another member for impersonating a mason.

Yes, I am a real Freemason. I received my 3rd degree from Redondo Lodge #328 in Redondo Beach, CA , received my 32nd degree from the Long Beach Scottish Rite temple in Long Beach, CA and received my Mark Master degree from Santa Monica Bay Chapter #97 of the Royal Arch masons of California. I am a VERY active member in all organizations.

Now can you guys stop attacking me and discuss the topic?

[edit on 7-8-2005 by sebatwerk]

My point is that it is the all seeing eye on the back of the dollar. Even some masons have stated that is is. Being above an unfinisjed pyramid does not change the fact of what it is. It could be above a rose and still be the all seeing eye. You could go and state that the unfinished pyramid is not a masonic symbol and with that I would agree.

"The Great Seal was first used on the reverse of the one-dollar Federal Reserve note in 1935. The Department of State is the official keeper of the Seal. They believe that the most accurate explanation of a pyramid on the Great Seal is that it symbolizes strength and durability. The unfinished pyramid means that the United States will always grow, improve and build. In addition, the "All-Seeing Eye" located above the pyramid suggests the importance of divine guidance in favor of the American cause.

This is taken from the link Mirthful Me gave. Is it any thing but masonic to me, doubtful. Were some of our forefathers masons, yes they were.


As for attacking you I was merely pointing out two very closely related threads in wich you take two different stands.
I can not prove you to be or not to be a mason. Wether or not you truely are is not my worries. We are on an internet disscusion board you can claim any thing you want and no one can prove different unless they know you as a real life, flesh and blood person.
I was not attacking you just pointing out that the all seeing eye is on the back of the dollar. If you think I was attacking you notify a mod and have them read my posts to see what they think.

Originally posted by Raist
My point is that it is the all seeing eye on the back of the dollar. Even some masons have stated that is is. Being above an unfinisjed pyramid does not change the fact of what it is. It could be above a rose and still be the all seeing eye. You could go and state that the unfinished pyramid is not a masonic symbol and with that I would agree.

I have never said that it was not the all-seeing-eye, I simply said that the eye above the unfinished pyramid is NOT a masonic symbol! As for the all-seeing eye, it has been used as a symbol by numerous cultures, groups and organizations. Even if it is a masonic all-seeing eye on the dollar bill, that's an awfully small part of the seal to make the whole thing "masonic", dontcha think?

As for attacking you I was merely pointing out two very closely related threads in wich you take two different stands.

Which threads? What opposing stands?

I can not prove you to be or not to be a mason. Wether or not you truely are is not my worries. We are on an internet disscusion board you can claim any thing you want and no one can prove different unless they know you as a real life, flesh and blood person.

Being a mason, it's not hard to know if others are also masons just by their posts. The language they use, the things they say, etc. can validate a mason, or it can give away a cowan (as was the case recently). But for non-masons, you are right, it is not possible to know if someone is lying or not.

I was not attacking you just pointing out that the all seeing eye is on the back of the dollar. If you think I was attacking you notify a mod and have them read my posts to see what they think.

By discussing me and my status as a mason, you are derailing the thread and attacking me. I would rather you discuss the topic.

I have yet to see a Freemason NOT tell you the Lodge they were raised in. Anyone not being forthcoming with that information is a redflag to me.

Originally posted by wiggy
I have yet to see a Freemason NOT tell you the Lodge they were raised in. Anyone not being forthcoming with that information is a redflag to me.

He did, but I think the thread he started got zapped because it wasn't much more than bitching about being picked on.

All I remember is it was in Canada, (Ontario?) and it is a Memphis and Mizraim rites Lodge.

you mean montréal, québec, canada. Lodge AM'HAT from the great lodge Sol-om-on, memphis-misraim rite. ( pages.videotron.ca... )

Sebatwerk is spending a lot of energy right now to destroy my credibility, propably because he his afraid of what i got to say, and probably also because im only 3° and he claim to be a 33°. and i know more than him on the mystic side of freemasonry than he will in his lifetime. If sebatwerk claims one more time without proof that i am not a freemason, i will gladly scan my masonic certificates and post them.

back on topic. the left eye of horus in a pyramid symbol, is a symbol that is commonly used by freemasons. One of the meaning we use for it is we link it to the ''3rd eye'', the eye that encompasses vision, the eye that represents perception in its true state. The same third eye in the middle of the forehead that oriental religions talk about. biologically, its the pineal gland. The choice of the pyramid is obvious because i am from an egyptian tradition rite. and it also represents the triangle, the number 3, the delta, the trinity, the 3rd dimension. so basically once you got your 3rd eye activated, you can see ''through'' the limitations of your 5 classic senses. However, its not because masons uses this symbol that they created it. I don't know where its from, i just know i use it regularly, and its all over the place in my lodge and in the scottish rite temple on st-marc street in montreal.

Here is a nice picture (nothing to do with the topic)
www.lamelagrana.net...

[edit on 7-8-2005 by moonchild]

Originally posted by moonchild
Sebatwerk is spending a lot of energy right now to destroy my credibility, propably because he his afraid of what i got to say, and probably also because im only 3° and he claim to be a 33°. and i know more than him on the mystic side of freemasonry than he will in his lifetime. If sebatwerk claims one more time without proof that i am not a freemason, i will gladly scan my masonic certificates and post them.

I am not the only Freemason here that is calling you out as a non-mason, and I am not expending much energy or effort at all. Additionally, I have never claimed to be a 33rd degree Freemason, but I AM a 32nd degree Master of the Royal Secret, as well as a 3rd degree Master Mason.

I wonder, where have you ever proven yourself to know more than myself, or any other Freemason here, regarding the esoteric (not mystic) side of the Craft? I'm sure that everyone here would love for you to back up your statements. And I'm sure all the masons here would feel much better if you at least began to talk like a mason, and use masonic terminology (if you indeed are a mason).

And, by the way, I could care less what you have to say, as long as you stop pretending to be a Freemason.

[edit on 7-8-2005 by sebatwerk]

Don't bother scanning, if your a member of the Memphis and Mizraim rites, they won't consider you a Mason anyway.

They consider the Memphis and Mizraim rites as irregular
The fact your lodge allows both men and women will also cause them to refuse to acknowledge you as a Mason.

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Could not have said it better myself.