Galloway praises Iraq 'martyrs'

Oh, check out the link below.

Galloways praises

This guy is a complete T@~T, and what makes me sick is that he's is a democratically elected member of parliament.

Comments please.

Spacemunkey

This suprises you? Galloway is a criminal. He is just sour that his Iraqi money train has stopped coming in. He will get his.

He just has the guts to speak up and speak out against injustice.

He's no criminal....he's worthy of RESPECT.

It would appear that the new president of Iran, the mayor of London, and Mr. Galloway have more in common than imagined.





seekerof

He has an opinion. He voices it. He finds compassion for these people regardless of how wrong their actions may be.

I'd like to know specifically how his calling the insurgents 'martyrs' puts the UK troops at risk... ? They are martyrs. They die for their beliefs and principles. That's just calling a spade a spade.

How does that endanger the troops? I'm lost on that one. The troops are at risk because they're occupying a hostile nation. (Hostile in the sense that they don't want us there.) People's opinions aren't what is putting those troops at risk. The governments who sent them there are.

Actually, I know this is part of the larger movement against citizens speaking their dissidence. If they can make disagreement of the war by citizens a 'hate-speech' crime (treason), they can shut us all up. And I'm sure they would love nothing more.

But I have to know HOW this endangers the troops.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

But I have to know HOW this endangers the troops.

BH...Do you not think that these statements by a British MP, encourage, in some way, the insurgents?

I dont know what percentage of insurgents are actually Iraqi, some reports i've seen say that they are in the minority and the vast majority are made up of citizens of other satellite countries around Iraq (I dont know how true this is). If this is then the case, a 'prominent' British MP, touring these countries making these speeches, just adds fuel to the fire.


Spacemunkey

[edit on 4-8-2005 by spacemunkey]

Originally posted by AlwaysLearning
He just has the guts to speak up and speak out against injustice.

He's no criminal....he's worthy of RESPECT.

He may speak out, but he is still a criminal. It’s hypocritical that he talks about the condition of the Iraqi people, when he has lined his pockets with their money. He is just bitter that his Iraqi cash cow is gone.

It's so Interesting to Watch all the Die Hard War Supporters and how they immediatly Attack and Insult just about EVERYBODY that does not Agree with the Warmongering and the Geopolitical Scenario that Master Bush and his Associates have written for this Planet. As soon as somebody that has got he Balls to Express his Opinion to his Knowledge and his Common Sense, He is then called a Criminal, an Idiot, a Terrorist Lover, just about everything - you name it! It kind of does not surprise me at all, since I have been called them NUMEROUS times and if I would get 2 cents for every label like this I would be Sailing the Carribbean right now with my brand new Boat.

I just have One Word for mister Galloway:

RESPECT

Originally posted by Souljah
It's so Interesting to Watch all the Die Hard War Supporters and how they immediatly Attack and Insult just about EVERYBODY that does not Agree with the Warmongering and the Geopolitical Scenario that Master Bush and his Associates have written for this Planet. As soon as somebody that has got he Balls to Express his Opinion to his Knowledge and his Common Sense, He is then called a Criminal, an Idiot, a Terrorist Lover, just about everything - you name it! It kind of does not surprise me at all, since I have been called them NUMEROUS times and if I would get 2 cents for every label like this I would be Sailing the Carribbean right now with my brand new Boat.

I just have One Word for mister Galloway:

RESPECT

#1 I dont support war


#2 Why dont you go for a ride in Galloways boat, its must be grand with all the Iraqi Oil For Food cash he has..

Originally posted by skippytjc
#1 I dont support war

Are you Serious Skippy?

With just about every Fiber of your body you are Defending the Same people that STARTED this alleged "War on Terror" and are spreading "Democracy in Pieces" throught the Middle East - and as if you dont have 'nuff of that, the OTHER Half of your posts are Simply Opening up New Possible Wars in the Middle East, starting with Syria and ending it with Iran.

And THEN You say "I dont support war"?

Oh YES - I stand Corrected: You Support WARS!

#2 Why dont you go for a ride in Galloways boat, its must be grand with all the Iraqi Oil For Food cash he has..

Hmmmm...I wonder how many War Criminals and War Profiteers are in the current US Goverment: Starting with dear ol' DICK Chaney and then going back to Mister Wolfowitz and ending ofcourse with the Main Man himself, Bush Junior with Bush Senior in the back.

How much Corruption, Frauds and LIES do you think THEY have Spread?

Mister Galloway is Compared to them a Small Fish....

Originally posted by spacemunkey
BH...Do you not think that these statements by a British MP, encourage, in some way, the insurgents?

I think it's pretty clear what the insurgents are going to do, what they're willing to do to get what they want. They're giving 100% to their cause. They're not going to stop. Period. You think we know persistance? We don't know crap about persistance. These people have already decided to give their lives for their cause. Even before there was ANY sympathy for it. From anyone.

The US has the idea that if we perisist and hold the course, the insurgents will give up, NO THEY WON'T! No matter what anyone says, they're not going to stop until they're all dead or the occupiers are gone.

So, no. I don't think the statements encourage them. They will not be discouraged. They are already encouraged 100% to give their lives. How much encouragement can words give them? Frankly, they don't give a crap what the invaders think. They're just single-mindedly working toward their cause.

Where there is NO discouragement, encouragement means nothing. They cannot be discouraged (if people would educate themselves about the 'enemy', they'd know this). It wouldn't matter if we sent the Dallas Cheerleaders over there to root them on, they cannot be more encouraged than they already are.

Some "Interesting" tidbits about Galloway :

- Alleged $500,000 a year kickbacks from Iraq

- Jordanian wife, Dr Amineh Abu-Zayyad, believed to be a niece of Yasser Arafat

- Started a charity to treat ONE Iraqi girl called Mariam Appeal and received about £800,000 ($1.2m) over a four year period, with more than £500,000 ($750,000) provided by the United Arab Emirates and about £100,000 ($150,000) by Saudi Arabia. The bulk of the remainder was provided by the Jordanian businessman, Fawaz Zureikat, a long-time opponent of sanctions against Iraq and the campaign's chairman. No wonder they never bothered to register it! Why were the governments of Saudi Arabia and the UAE so generous? What did they expect of this British Member of Parliament in return?

- He payed his wife $27,000 out of the charity funds to care for the girl. What? The $1.2 wasnt enough?

- Long after Miriam was declared leukemia-free, the charity rocked along, mutating as it went into an appeasenik organisation protesting the war in Iraq. Because it is not a registered charity, it has never had to open its books to the public. The fact that it is not a registered, tax-deductible charity might lead one to believe that charity was never its purpose.

- Galloways Choufer reported he was paid by the Emergency Committee on Iraq and Palestine [a campaign chaired by Galloway, that raised funds among anti-war protesters to campaign against the U.S. and Israel]. The check was signed by Stuart Halford [who was the secretary of the Mariam campaign]. Mmm....

- According to a document uncovered by Daily Telegraph reporter David Blair in the remains of the Foreign Ministry in Baghdad, Iraqis decided Galloway needed more cash: "His projects and future plans for the benefit of [Iraq] need financial support to become a motive for him to do more work. And because of the sensitivity of getting money directly from Iraq, it is necessary to grant him oil contracts and special and necessary commercial opportunities to provide him with a financial income under commercial cover without being connected to him directly." The document went on to describe a meeting between Galloway and an Iraqi intelligence officer and states that Galloway sought to "ensure confidentiality in his financial and commercial relations with the country and reassure his personal security." Galloway, the letter went on, "needs continuous financial support from Iraq.". It also describes a meeting between Galloway and an Iraqi intelligence officer and states that Galloway sought to "ensure confidentiality in his financial and commercial relations with the country and reassure his personal security."

- The Christian Science Monitor reported that Galloway received $3 million a year from April 4, 2000, to January 14, 2003 from Iraq. The Monitor also reported: A letter accompanying that final payment authorizes the "Manager of the security department, in the name of President Saddam Hussein, to order a gratuity to be issued to Mr. George Galloway of British nationality in the amount of three million dollars …." It praises Galloway for "his courageous and daring stands against the enemies of Iraq, like Blair, the British Prime Minister, and for his opposition in the House of Commons and Lords against all outrageous lies against our patient people."

- He had a secret meeting in Morocco in 1996 to discuss the political situation in Saudi Arabia with Crown Prince Mohammed (now King) and a senior Moroccan intelligence official. We do not know the extent of his involvement, nor why his presence was considered necessary. But it seems strange that a sitting member of the British Parliament should be involved in such a web of Middle Eastern entanglements when his constituents back home in his needy area of Glasgow could do with an advocate.



Man, this guy is riddled with corruption. I also read that he asked saddam for MORE money, and Saddam shut him off. Imagine that? Saddam Hussien thought Galloway was a mooch!!!

You guys have picked a real questionable character to "Respect" for sure.

Originally posted by skippytjc

Originally posted by AlwaysLearning
He just has the guts to speak up and speak out against injustice.

He's no criminal....he's worthy of RESPECT.

He may speak out, but he is still a criminal. It’s hypocritical that he talks about the condition of the Iraqi people, when he has lined his pockets with their money. He is just bitter that his Iraqi cash cow is gone.

Skippy...you actually bought that load of horsesh*t? My, you are gullible aren't you. Then you say you don't support the war? You are a troll, your only purpose here, it seems, is to piss off those who aren't brainwashed and don't buy the horsesh*t that you do. On the verge of hitting the "ignore" button on you...but the laughs I get out of what you write keep me from doing it.

Well I am all for supporting alternative points of view and freedom of speech and so on, so I checked out that web link you posted and found the following qutoe:


He told Syrian Television: "Two of your beautiful daughters are in the hands of foreigners - Jerusalem and Baghdad.

"The foreigners are doing to your daughters as they will.

"The daughters are crying for help and the Arab world is silent. And some of them are collaborating with the rape of these two beautiful Arab daughters."



Wow, Gorgeous George going off the deep end there. I understand that he is an elected representative of a section of London that is dominated by Muslim people, and so in the interests of his voters it makes sense to support Muslim citizens of the UK.

Being against the Iraq invasion has been his major platform and one can understand that point of view. We may not agree with him, but he's certainly entitled to his own opinion.


But comparing the occupation of Baghdad to rape is not only undermining national security interests of both the UK and the US it's also calling the Americans r***ists. So he says this to the Syrian people.

So if you are so bold Mr. Galloway are you afraid of telling this to Bush's face? Are you afraid of telling us on our own news channel?

Furthermore he calls the Israelis r***ists. Now that's a huge mistake I wouldn't want to be him ... we really can't do this sort of thing legitimately but the MOSSAD has been known to assassinate a brit or two in the past ...

Skippy, I just went to check on ONE of your claims since you didn't name a source, and the first thing I found was this:

Christian Science Monitor admits using forged documents against antiwar British MP Galloway

The Monitor has now been forced to apologise for its story. Its June 20 edition published a retraction stating that the documents were forgeries.

So he is praising people who have killed British troops while the country is at war. Umm... isn't that treason? I do agree that the Iraqi's may have some misguided sense of patriotism when they carry out these attacks and maybe invading iraq was not the best idea in the world but a statement like this goes too far.

"It can be said, truly said, that the Iraqi resistance is not just defending Iraq. They are defending all the Arabs and they are defending all the people of the world against American hegemony."

Galloway is, in my opinion, analogous to Jane Fonda in her activities in Vietnam when I was in the service.

I consider both of them smarmy hypocrites and people with whom I'd have nothing to do; but not "traitors" or "treasonous", at least based on my country's constitutional definition of "treason".

If it makes my British friends and colleagues feel better, we have a few of the same political gonococci infesting our Congress, and they usually pay for their deeds sooner or later, at least at the ballot box and the eyes of history.

Galloway will probably be remembered as a minor-league equivalent of your Lord Haw-Haw. Whether or not he suffers the same punishment remains to be seen.

Originally posted by skippytjc

Originally posted by AlwaysLearning
He just has the guts to speak up and speak out against injustice.

He's no criminal....he's worthy of RESPECT.

He may speak out, but he is still a criminal. It’s hypocritical that he talks about the condition of the Iraqi people, when he has lined his pockets with their money. He is just bitter that his Iraqi cash cow is gone.

Weren't the Cheques George Galloway allegedly recieved funds from proven as complete frauds?

Originally posted by Trent
So he is praising people who have killed British troops while the country is at war. Umm... isn't that treason?

Notice that the word 'praise' is only used in the title of the piece. A news article sensationalistic tactic. Galloway does not praise the martyrs. He may have compassion and sympathy for them, but I cannot find 'praise' in his words.

I'm no lawyer, but...
See Wikipedia for the meaning of treason. Especially in the UK.

Offences constituting high treason include plotting the murder of the Sovereign, raping the Sovereign's consort, levying war against the Sovereign and adhering to the Sovereign's enemies, giving them aid or comfort.

Examples of crimes that would come under the heading of "petty treason" would be a wife killing her husband, a cleric killing his ecclesiastical superior, or a servant killing his master or mistress.

Speaking out against one's government isn't (yet) against the law. While you may argue that he is giving aid or comfort to his Sovereign's enemy, I don't think words apply here. He would actually have to GIVE them something. Like I said, I'm not a lawyer, so I could be wrong.

He's not even guilty of sedition

In the UK, the offence of inciting unlawful opposition to the crown and government. Unlike treason, sedition does not carry the death penalty.

It includes attempting to bring into contempt or hatred the person of the reigning monarch, the lawfully established government, or either house of Parliament; inciting a change of government by other than lawful means; and raising discontent between different sections of the sovereign's subjects. Today any criticism aimed at reform is allowable.

People use these terms when they really don't know what they mean. If he's guilty of treason, then nearly half of our Congress is as well.

Good post, benevolent heretic. Thanks for your research.