Things Are Definately Changing....I'll Tell You What I've Noticed

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[edit on 8-8-2005 by moonchild]

Originally posted by FibroKat
I just wanted to add this little "change", which actually I believe has children's welfare at heart, but in this instance, and others like it, goes a little bit to the extreme:

When my 12 yr. old, severely disabled daughter died during the night... dialed 911... I said something like, "I believe that my 12 yr. old disabled daughter is dead." In a few minutes, police were at the door. Then more police...and even more police and the paramedics (and maybe more police...I dunno how many).

They treated us as suspects immediately. Any death of a child is treated like a possible crime, and my apartment was suddently a possible crime scene.

I understood this...but didn't they see the hospital bed...the feeding tube going into her stomach, her diaper and tiny limbs? You could look at her and tell she was disabled and unwell! No marks on her porcelain skin...sh*t!

I wasn't allowed to stay with her body because I might've "disturbed possible evidence". That was my baby, and I woke up and she was dead, and then I couldn't be with her! ..... And this was after the paramedics had stated that it appeared to be natural causes (she had severe epilepsy, and it appeared that she had an, obviously bad seizure(s) and maybe didn't come out of it/them, because of the way her body and face were distorted/distended).

Now, I know this is a, probably, necessary event I had to endure; however, my husband being questioned like he was a possible murderer, and police looking at me strangely, acting all suspicious, was just too much. Everyone in the apartment (me, son, daughter, daughter-in-law) was questioned. .... Necessary...I know...but it sucked.

FibroKat, I'm sorry I didn't see your post sooner. I hope you still are here. That is absolutely terrible! (understatement) No, it it NOT necessary! Not what so ever. It is cold and callous beaucratic bullsh*t! Any moron could see if your child was on tubes, etc... and obviously ill and you had been a loving enough parent to take care of her at home like that. How DARE they be so insensitive! Perhaps if she had looked terribly neglected, was bruised or something along those lines, they might be suspicious. But the story you told, any human being, cop or not, should have the natural decency and caring to see that you were grieving, and you needed perhaps some comfort, definately not the 3rd degree!

I am so very sorry that that happened to you. It is also scary for all of us. The fact that the police can actually be trained to lose their humanity, their compassion and caring so as to be so cold. I wonder if already some sort of mind control is in place? And if so, how far will it go?

[edit on 8/8/2005 by CyberKat]

the changing World.............

Worldwide...............the US has been promoting our form of government and free market system in a manner that is doing a disservice to our eroding middle class and compromising our national security at the same time...........add that to the ever increasing proliferation of nations desiring nuclear weapons capablities as their preception of respect and bargaining chips in World affairs......................developing nations now joining the consumer life style of Western democracies as we begin to stretch resources and increasing the impact of environmental pollution..........corporations are now exploiting other developing countries, and our own citizens in the US while manipulating the policial polices of govenments for their insatable profit hunger...........

US..............the slow but becoming more obvious erosion of our Constitutional rights.................from Patriot acts...........emminent domain...........lack of border security............and now the proposed North America union of the CFR by 2010............

The US has ceased to become a respected republic in the world and is now looked at as a preditory corporate driven empire....................and within our country we are losing our cultural identity, consitutional rights................we are a society that rewards irresponsible behavior through a welfare state and penalizes the responsible through ever increasing taxation.............

It is a shift Worldwide and within the US that will result in focusing more power and money to the elite while having domain over the dumb downed masses..........

That's what I'm noticing..........and it ain't pretty.............

Well, as a non-smoker who goes to New York alot where it's banned i restaurants, it is very nasty eating with people smoking around it. So I can't imagine how nasty it would be to sit on a plane for a few hours with loads of smoke from cigarretes.

Some o the worst things I have noticed, (social not political) is a desinigrating respect for each other. It seems people just do things for there own good, ignoring the impact it will have on others. You see it in stores, while driving, on television and of course on discussion boards.

It used to be you respected other people, to the point that if you made eye contact, you would smile at each other. It was a basic form of respect. I think we have learned a good share of this because our government has shown such a lack of respect for us, its people it is supposed to serve. Politicians lie all the time, tax us unfairly and take advantage of everything, every step of the way. They have been doing this for a very long time while getting worst every year. Can you imagine if this keps going at the rate it is what it will be like just 20 years from now? Or even 10 years? You will be licking boots eveytime you come in contact with the police.

I dont want this cold business like America to be what we will be permently. We HAVE to change it, or we will be living a sci-fi corporate grade-b horror film.

I'll keep it short and on topic, therefor i'll just make a list:

1. Neighbors: Not ten years ago I could count on my neighbors to feed a pet, collect my mail or hold my spare key. These days my neighbors hate me and I hate them. (well, my metalhead brother did keep his drumset in the apartment)
2.Police: In less than 10 years crime in New York City has dropped insanely, however, there are now more cops than ever. A good citizen used to have nothing to worry about from police, hell, they were our allies. Today everyone fears the police as they will write you tickets to fill their qoutas, threaten violence for no reason or arrest you becasue someone has accused you of somthing.
3. Children: People used to have children because they wished to raise a family. They wanted to add to the world and sought to give their off spring everything they could. These days I see people with literally 5 ro 6 children. I see nannies taking children to the playground, picking them up from school, taking them to camp etc. Children have become a status symbol for the new money rich and the children's success is meant to directly relate to the parent's ability to raise "proper" children. Kids are also less respectful, less intellectual, less interested in common childhood things and seemingly more tuned out to the world around them. I was playing with my girl friend's 8 year old nephew, we were in the country and flying a kite. As it turns out this was only the second time he has flown a kite in the his life. Children these days have no idea of literature, history, art, or anything I remember studying in grade school.
4. Education: Absolutely atrocious. Children are taught the accepted version of history, are forced to read "multi-cultural" books, and spend months on the same chapter in their math books. I remember crying my eyes out because I was forced to read a poorly written biography of Harriette Tubman for a book report. I have nothing against learning of that aspect of history, but I had wished to read the original Dracula again, or some Heinlein, or Asimov. I was always drawn to the chance to further my knowledge but was forced to drop that quest in order to pass the class, even at 10. I had trouble learning to read when I was younger, instead of teaching me I was stuck in the back of the class with some cut out words and left to study with a child wearing a football helmet. I eventually taught myself to read and write, and then continued on to art and history.
5.Entertainment: Bread and circuses, the opiate of the masses. Entertainment is now riddled with commercialism and run by people with profit on the brain.
6.Communications: There was once a time when people would differentiate between their private lives and their public lives, due to cell phones, wireless internet and mass media people feel the need to be "always on". It's a techno-addiction, people are lost without their PDAs and cellphones. They lose the ability to accurately communicate with other humans. Some people are constantly in communication with someone else, people will shop on their phones, go out to dinner and answer every call. Life is becoming less and less spontaneous as everything is planned out to the minute and if you're like me and refuse to have a cellphone you are left behind, even looked down upon by the techno-junkies.
7.Community: There is no cummunity anymore, the powers that be desire us to conglomerate into one mass group. The majority rules, be it thought, words or action, all others are to be ostracized.
8.Money: The most powerful element in the world today. Everything we do in our lives are regulated by our money, which has become worthless. We have bought our way into the economic serfdom Jefferson warned us about. Banks create theoretical money, undermining the value of a dollar everyday. 90% of our nations economic worth is in theroetical dollars on a banks computer. You can now work more than 40 hours a week and still not be designated as "Full time" and therefor not able to recieve the benefits promised to you.
9. Intellect: Absolutely gone these days. People are actively anti-intellectual and would much rather hear about the latest episode of American Idol than a new breakthrough in physics. I have been yelled at countless times for being "too smart" and "giving people headaches". No one wishes to learn, because in order to learn you must accept your level of ignorance, and god forbid people think poorly of themselves.
10. Medicine: People are prescribed medication for every ailment. Sad? take the blue one. Too happy? Take a red one. Tired? Take the green one. People are not informed of the risks of new medications and told only of the false benefits. This over medication ruins people's ability to understand and cope with their natural emotions. People refuse to realise that if they are "depressed" then perhaps it stems from a real world problem. More over, you can be denied life saving medicine or treatment because you don't have insurance. A simple visit to the doctor can now put a regular family deeply in debt.
11.Immigration: Completely insane, I won't even touch on this lest I start foaming at the mouth.
12.Politics: At one time people had a stance on politics. They believed in somthing and voted accordingly. Elections are now little more than a popularity contest, one candidate is more desireable because he speaks eloquently, the other is less desirable because he speaks with an unfamilair acent and vonacular regardless of the fact that both candidates said the same thing. If one candidate wins and the other loses people quickly show their ignorance and refuse to see things as they truly are.
13. Government: Completely out of control and people seem to like it that way.
14. National Security: Ha! The government is only securing itself from us, the "swinnish multitude" "unfit to govern ourselves". They know their power rests upon our compliance.
15. People: People make me sick these days, they have no hopes and dreams aside from appearing on "Mtv Cribs". Take a survey, ask people what they want out of life and they won't be able to tell you. People are hollow and empty, they no longer know who they are and think they are the sum of their parts. If they dress a certain way, act a certain way, speak a certain way and think a certain way, then that's who they are. Look at this whole "metro-sexual" fad, straight people acting gay because it's "in style". Instead of searching with in themselves, people simply wait for the next fad to come along and give them meaning.

I suppose I'll stop here, I'm being overly negative but I think that refelcts greatly on my view of the world these days. If you ask me, we need a revolution.

Originally posted by CyberKat

About 2:00am, we got pulled over for no reason. He doesn't drink, was driving the speed limit, all his papers, title, registration, insurance was in order. The cop said he would just give him a warning, then, at the last minute, he wanted to search the car!

Yes, I'm sorry, I forgot to mention in my post that the "reason" we were pulled over in the first place, was that we had a tail light out that we were unaware of. That's what the "warn" was for. We stopped at the next truck stop and replaced the bulb. However, when he found that all papers were up to date, there was no smell of alcohol, no warrants, license was valid, etc... I can't see any reason what so ever for him wanting to search the car!

Well, I believe this NWO runs much deeper than anyone really understands. It has come to my attention and belief that there now exists a means to read and tap into one's mind and thought pattern without them knowing. There is now some type of chemical that people can take, including law enforcement, your human resource department, your management at work, and some select employees at stores are now being given this substance to basically search your thoughts. What this stuff does is it provides some type of chemical imbalance in the brain or body, which enables people who are on the substance to communicate telepathically. It also allows these same people to pick up un-suspecting peoples thoughts. I believe they can also communicate with the un-suspecting person's subconscious mind and interrogate them to some degree. I do not know the full capability quite yet, but this is it in a nutshell.

I know, now your going to nay-say and question my sanity. But I do earnestly recommend you do a little research on this subject before you write it off.

This capability is out there and being use against each and everyone who has responded in this thread.

Why do you think all of a sudden they decided to search your car, CyberKat? They wanted some additional time to look you over, pick up some additional thought patterns/streams, before letting you go. They may have picked up on - sensed - something and decided to take a closer look.

[edit on 8-8-2005 by janson0202]

Originally posted by janson0202

Originally posted by CyberKat

............Yes, I'm sorry, I forgot to mention in my post that the "reason" we were pulled over in the first place, was that we had a tail light out that we were unaware of...... However, when he found that all papers were up to date, there was no smell of alcohol, no warrants, license was valid, etc... I can't see any reason what so ever for him wanting to search the car!

Well, I believe this NWO runs much deeper than anyone really understands. It has come to my attention and belief that there now exists a means to read and tap into one's mind and thought pattern without them knowing. There is now some type of chemical that people can take, including law enforcement, your human resource department, your management at work, and some select employees at stores are now being given this substance to basically search your thoughts. What this stuff does is it provides some type of chemical imbalance in the brain or body, which enables people who are on the substance to communicate telepathically. It also allows these same people to pick up un-suspecting peoples thoughts. I believe they can also communicate with the un-suspecting person's subconscious mind and interrogate them to some degree. I do not know the full capability quite yet, but this is it in a nutshell.

I know, now your going to nay-say and question my sanity. But I do earnestly recommend you do a little research on this subject before you write it off.

janson0202, apparently then you don't have one of those pills
Because I had no intention to "nay-say" you. As a matter of fact, you are eerily more on target of this post than I was when I made it! Why do you think I started this thread? I honestly didn't think that I was the only one who has been noticing the some subtle and some not-so-subtle changes, which all IMO add up to the fact that "they" (the NWO) are trying, and in many instances I believe succeeding in slowly conditioning us to do what they say without question, basically. I do not question your sanity. I question the sanity of those who quietly go along with each new restriction put on our freedom without question or notice.

This capability is out there and being use against each and everyone who has responded in this thread.

Now, I believe that there is much more capability out there than most people realize, including myself, for the NWO (whoever they may be - that I'm not decided on, nor am I in a position to try to guess) to use on us. I would guess that it started out experimentally, and perhaps is still in the experimenal stages, but, maybe not. One thing though, I do know that it is not easy in human nature for people to keep secrets very well. And if every cop, government worker, employer, etc.... were to be aware of this, surely it would be all over the Internet, the news (both mainstream and alternative), in open discussion everywhere a person goes. Unless.......it is somehow given to them is such a way that they have no idea that they are consuming it.

Why do you think all of a sudden they decided to search your car, CyberKat? They wanted some additional time to look you over, pick up some additional thought patterns/streams, before letting you go. They may have picked up on - sensed - something and decided to take a closer look.

If what you say is true, and you very well could be on the right track, then suppose the cop did not know he was being given this chemical, then rhetorically, how would he know to use searaching the car as a reason to try to keep us longer so he could read our minds? And why would he want to search our minds?

Unless, in keeping with this angle, you mentioned that this "chemical" he may have taken could cause some sort of chemical imbalance in the brain, making it easier to commumicate telepathically. Well, I have Bi-Polar. That is a chemical imbalance. I take medication for it, so it is not really noticeable. But say you are right. Do you think he picked up on my Bi-Polar, even though I was on medication to control it? Interesting angle.

[edit on 8-8-2005 by janson0202]

CyberKat

Originally posted by janson0202

Well, I believe this NWO runs much deeper than anyone really understands. It has come to my attention and belief that there now exists a means to read and tap into one's mind and thought pattern without them knowing. There is now some type of chemical that people can take, including law enforcement, your human resource department, your management at work, and some select employees at stores are now being given this substance to basically search your thoughts. What this stuff does is it provides some type of chemical imbalance in the brain or body, which enables people who are on the substance to communicate telepathically. It also allows these same people to pick up un-suspecting peoples thoughts. I believe they can also communicate with the un-suspecting person's subconscious mind and interrogate them to some degree. I do not know the full capability quite yet, but this is it in a nutshell.

[edit on 8-8-2005 by janson0202]

I'm not naysaying you although I must say I find it hard to believe but lots of things I find hard to believe have been true in the past so why not this I guess. But boy would they be bored reading my mind unless they want to know just how ticked off I am at my husband or in-laws or if they want to know my shopping list or my wondering how I will stretch our pension check to pay the monthly bills and still put a bit aside if I am lucky. Heck I am such an open book if they want to know something they should just ask -- I found out when I was a kid I couldn't remember lies or deceits so I just decided not to do it -- geeze I have enough trouble remembering the truth I can't imagine how I could bungle a lie

My two cents.

I see society watching america's funniest videos (example) and the next time your with someone watching it, see if they are laughing when someone gets hurt. It's part of our norm now. More and more programs teach us, on a subtle level, that it is really something to watch other people's downfall. (competitive shows, etc.) We have to get this society conscience out of this 'might is right' ideology meaning that we are not all equal and don't want it to be. I believe we are all equal, just some don't step up to par.

Another thing is more consumer products nowadays don't last as long as before. It's to keep you dependent on the system. We have disposable contacts, disposable hearing aids, disposable whatever else you see. Look around and see what YOU can see. Open the eyes to your mind. This day is nowhere being close to the days when man would grow his own food, have water from his well, or basically be self-dependent/sustained. While many people are opting to go out to eat, what would happen if the supply line of one of our most basic living commodities were to one day not be provided for us?

You wanna be a DESPERATE housewife or just the idea of being LOST? Worship your american IDOL? I admit I might be reading too much into it, but is it worth that chance? It's called baby-steps brainwashing. Take care.






[edit on 8-9-05 by pacman]

Originally posted by pacman
My two cents.

I see society watching america's funniest videos (example) and the next time your with someone watching it, see if they are laughing when someone gets hurt. It's part of our norm now. More and more programs teach us, on a subtle level, that it is really something to watch other people's downfall. (competitive shows, etc.)

You wanna be a DESPERATE housewife or just the idea of being LOST? Worship your american IDOL? I admit I might be reading too much into it,but is it worth that chance? It's called baby-steps brainwashing. Take care.

[edit on 8-9-05 by pacman]

Pacman, I know that "PrisonPlanet.com" is really controversial, and a lot of people don't like it, some do. But, I had run into one article a while back on that site that really made a lot of sense to me, and it goes right along with the theme of your post: Less TV, More Activism thought it might sticke a chord with you, too.

Some great discussion and thoughts in this thread! Honourable mention to Shadowflux, that was a lot of good points you made!

I would like to deal with pacmans post though, you say that you may be looking a bit too much but i do not think you are. Television is arguably the most powerful tool of conditioning and brainwashing, and i prefer to scrutinise most things on TV rather than giving it the benefit of the doubt. And it is true that many things shown now that the mass' watch do have subtleties to them that can put the watchers down. I could probably talk about loads of things, but without going into too much detail, one example i could give would be Homer Simpson, or all of the Simpsons for that matter. Homer is generally accepted as the stereotypical dad, and is deemed acceptable. So any father watching will think it is normal, and ok to be a fat overweight drunk, looked at as sub-par, and basically a dumb loser. For the women watching, they will look at Marge and think that it is acceptable to be unfulfilled and overlooked. For young boys watching, they will see Bart as cool yet stupid, and want to be like him instead of being educated. Young girls watching Lisa will see someone who, even though being very intellegent and prosperous, will likely not amount to anything, or be held back due to her situations, and again they may accept this... lol, ok, maybe i am looking too deep now, but you know what i am getting at right?

I dont think that anyone should underestimate the power of television, and the affect it can have on people, and the affect it probably has had on people through the decades. When thinking of TV and brainwashing i think of a story Bill Hicks would tell in his stand-ups. He would be in certain town sitting in a little cafe reading a book and having something to eat. Out of nowhere the waitress comes over and says "Hey, whatcha reading for!?", not what are you reading, but what are you reading for. She then goes on to say to him "Why read when you can just flip on the tube?", before a trucker comes over and says "Well now, looks like we got ourselves a reader!". Just one little story, but it shows just how dependant people are of television, and i am sure this dependancy is being exploited!

Shadowflux:
I am glad I am not your neighbor since you hate them nor an immigrant since you foam at the mouth when you see one.

After reading everyones posts its seems to me we have one big problem today and that is our Priorities are F##### up. It’s all about the benjamins. What is the quickest way from point A to the money? This greed is taking a toll on families and how we go about life. I see it shifting back to those values that should be important to all of us but it will be a while until we get to that. Until then might as well put the blinders on and “Show me the money.”

Originally posted by Timcouchfanclub
Shadowflux:
I am glad I am not your neighbor since you hate them nor an immigrant since you foam at the mouth when you see one.

After reading everyones posts its seems to me we have one big problem today and that is our Priorities are F##### up. It’s all about the benjamins. What is the quickest way from point A to the money? This greed is taking a toll on families and how we go about life. I see it shifting back to those values that should be important to all of us but it will be a while until we get to that. Until then might as well put the blinders on and “Show me the money.”

Actually, if you reread my statement you will find it's immigration itself that makes me sick. As in the policies and laws or apparrent lack there of. Immigrants I have no problem with, as long as their trip didn't entail swimming and fence climbing.

And I have every right to hate my neighbors, they're voice coaches with the most tone deaf students I have EVER heard

I feel that people are generally caring much more for themselves these days...not others. I just feel that if you dropped something in the middle of the street oday, there wouldn't be anyone who'd help you. Or there would be but that person would say that you owe him. I don't think people would be so quick to help people out of the simple interest of helping them. Also, while people aren't perfect, they seem to be degrading. People can be good but not educated, generous but a murderer, etc.

I was just messing with you Shadowflux....I agreed with most everything you wrote

Originally posted by Lifeadventurer
I feel that people are generally caring much more for themselves these days..... Also, while people aren't perfect, they seem to be degrading.

Perhaps it can be attrubuted to the fact that our government(s) have gone to great lengths over the years to undermine us, to make us feel as we must be stupid, or else they wouldn't have to intervene with all their laws.
That in it'self is enough to degrade most people, especially when if it just doesn't let up, but only intensifies as time goes on.

It seems as if the problem with government in this matter, has escalated to the extreme, especially since the millinium. (Actually around the year 2001)

Originally posted by Timcouchfanclub

I was just messing with you Shadowflux....I agreed with most everything you wrote

lol, ok then

Yeah, about the smoking thing...

If you would go ahead and get yourself an idea of how much money America spends on keeping smokers alive and well, you might as well go ahead and get an idea of why it is so strongly discouraged it is by the government. They need money for missiles, don't you know?

And then consider the fact that most of the other countries in the world go ahead and just let the smokers die of it...

I mean come on...

The smart people QUIT SMOKING. Because it is BAD FOR THEM!!!

Why should the smart people be held accountable for the self-afflicted's propensity to self-destruct?

And I say this as one who smokes a pack or more a day. It just makes fiduciary sense. Of course America would never say, "Stop smoking" or, "Stop drinking", because killing ourselves is just part of the game, not to mention a large market.

There are a lot of stupid people out there doing a lot of stupid things, and government can neither account for that nor predict it. Suffering in this country is a CHOICE. (Unless of course it isn't, which can be accurately determined by a trained professional, in which case by all means should we, the American public, uphold the dignity of the afflicted.) But otherwise, it is a choice. It is nothing more than a simple thing for someone in this country to be able to live their lives in a healthy manner, at least healthy enough to maintain a comfortable lifestyle.

Those in this country who wither away, choose to do so. It is not forced upon them when considering there are places to be born, to live out your life where you truly have no choice but to live in desperation. But I guess it's all relative, isn't it?

Old people cost money. Broken people cost money. Sick people cost money. I mean, it almost seems fascist, but it's reverse, because rather than encouraging people to die, as fascism would have it, our form of government encourages people to be healthy, produce, and spend their money.

That's capitalizm, fer ya!

[edit on 10-8-2005 by DeltaChaos]

Originally posted by DeltaChaos
Yeah, about the smoking thing...

If you would go ahead and get yourself an idea of how much money America spends on keeping smokers alive and well, you might as well go ahead and get an idea of why it is so strongly discouraged it is by the government. They need money for missiles, don't you know?

It comes down to whether you believe that government exists to serve the people or whether you believe the people exist to serve the government. My belief is that government exists to serve the people and anyone that puts forth the arguement of the cost to America believes the opposite.
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