First Hot Coffee get GTA banned...now they're going after The Sims 2!

I agree with you all. It's ridiculous.

But, I was thinking...if you have a kid who's smart enough to research cheat codes and type them in and get it all working, then aren't they intelligent enough to look up nude pictures on the internet? I mean, come on, a few million pornography sites won't hurt a kid, but a cheat code in a game that shows absolutely nothing is going to scar them for life. Riiiiiiiiight.

Originally posted by sardion2000

Hacker sites are not authorized by EA Games. and is download at your own risk.

That's a load of crap considering they actually shipped the development tools(minus the source code) with the actually game. And for your information they are not Cracking the game they are modding it.

thesims2.ea.com...


DO NOT DEMONIZE THE MODDERS! They are the best thing to happen to this industry.

Oh boy, maybe the definition of hacker sites needs to be clarified. I wasen't talking about any sites that Maxis recognizes, or any modifications that can be done with the tools Maxis provided. Neither was I talking about other tools that have been created by users that Maxis also recognizes to be able to modify the game. A recognition by Maxis is practically but not quite the same thing as authorizes. Neither am I talking about any tools that are freely discussed on the official Sims forums.

The type of hacks I'm talking about are for experienced hackers only that do not have any tools to do the things that they are able to do. At least not any that are readily available on the net such as being able to create a whole set of new actions. I think they would have had to crack into the actual source codes. Only one site I know of that has modified movements I believe can be found on the list of fan sites. The only other one I know about, I seriously doubt Maxis would authorize what they have done with Sims 1, which was to create a whole new set of actions and movements to create explicit porn.

I still think that the people speaking out against the game stumbled across the site, and somehow think that maxis should be blamed for it. They are probablly not going after Sims 1, because it is such an old game. They are only complaining about Sims 2, because this site gives out explicit enhacements and tells the gamers how to install those enhacements. As far as I know they have not created any new explicit actions for Sims 2.

Maxis may have put more security into the game so hackers wouldn't be able to crack into the source code and create new actions for Sims 2. I have not heard or seen of that being done with Sims 2. I may be wrong on that aspect.

I still caution downloading any objects where the hacker more than likely had to crack into the source code to create. File Cop may not be able to pick up these objects.

[edit on 4-8-2005 by Mystery_Lady]

95 % of the time when a developer ships the toolkit with the game, it's only usual restriction is that you have to have the game in the drive for any mods to work. New Animations/Skins/Gameplay can be created solely through the Dev Tools. Source Code not needed to do what you describe.

I did think that they had to crack the source code to create new animation. I was considering hackers to be those who crack the source codes. Sorry to all those who are doing legitimate things with the sims 1, and sims 2 for not making myself clearer in the beginning.

I'll put the unauthorized only on the one site that created porn actions.

Nope, no source code is needed. A while back when the original Sims came out, the animation files can be edited indirect of the games code. New files would be created outside the the game and the game engine would read them. It's like you don't have to alter the code of Microsoft Word to open and save a file. They are read and saved outside and can stand independently from the actual program as *.doc.

what's with the bluring out anyways? all this cencorship?...we've all got boobs, bums and willys, why are we trying to inhibit people seeing what they see everyday in the shower? a kid can get a barbie and ken doll, put them in a car, park up somewhere on their bedroom floor, make them make out, rip their clothes off and fantasize about losing their own virginity in the same sort of way.

the whole idea is absurd. if you're going to bring the sims up on anything, how about the fact that you can make guys kiss guys, and girls kiss girls...surely that's worse than some ken and barbie bits??

The game industry needs to fight back and make these people look like the idiots they are. In the case of their leader, Jack Thompson, it wouldn't be too hard. I just haven't seen too much fighting back... G4 TV seems to be the only ones doing anything of the sort. I think Seanbaby (not the one on ATS) challenged Thompson to a duel yesterday on Attack of the Show. I seen some other mocking pieces on the other shows.

If we games don't do anything they'll take down our games one by one. It's like the old Domino Theory but not really BS. I see alot of games in danger of attack. Anything with nudity (they ignore violence of course)....especially my favorite RPG Morrowind. If Thompson saw my version with the "realistic bodies" mod installed, his head would explode. God forbid they start looking at old games like Fallout and Ultima 7, where you could actually kill children. Lesiure Suit Larry? Oh man...

All this banning crap is unbelievable. I personally don't play GTA or Sims 2... I used to, but I've got bored with them. My two younger brothers do play them, however, and they're just fine. Now I can kinda understand GTA, but the Sims??? That's just stupid. I think these people should give it a rest. If the parents raise the kids right, what they watch and play won't have an effect on them. My mother has always let me play and watch whatever I wanted... and I'm an honor student and what-not.

From what i've read this guy attacks all those those who question him by calling them mentally ill, mentally deficient, or brain-damaged. Even accusing some of having Tourette's syndrome without proof or revelency to the discussion.

He has provoked several people who have e-mailed him by telling them that they should enter treatment facilities. When they respond to his comments, Thompson has invoked the protection of the Flordia Cyberstalker Law and threatened legal action against them.

You can't negotiate with a person who acts like that.

I could think of a near endless list of games far worse than anything these people think are bad.

But unfortunately, they dont sell as many copies!

If they should censor GTA they should do it becouse of the way you can cut peoples throats from behind....now that really is over the edge for me.
But hey, i guess violence is good and glorified, but sex is evil, dirty and baaad

i would much rather have my kid look at some tits and aXX than a video of decapitation. Sexual education 101, yeah baby

i think that guy just wants more games like mario and duckhunt...or maybe he could have a go at duckhunt because kids get to use a gun and pretend to hunt ducks...

eat a magic mushroom and get bigger?

now thats what i call education ! Its a good thing these censors dont know squat.

Mario forever

OMG!!! Where are these codes? Why am I now just learning about them? GOOGLE!!!!

Anyways, when I get done d/l them I will give the censors a heart attack, lol.

I swear these people need to be shot. Stupidity is a crime and all these a-holes are guilty. I can play a game where I slice people's throats, gut them, disembowel others, but I can't play The Sims because they look like Ken and Barbie?(Tenchu is the game I have, the original for PS1)

Or what about D2? Got the hack/mod to make the Assassin and Amazon naked. Quite funny cause again it is basic Barbie. Just funny seeing them run around killing things while in the nude. Already know who is to blame....

REPUBLICANS!!! Well, them and any other conservative. Middle East is the COnservative Capital, and is a hell hole. The church is conservaitve and well, they were busy with a different hole. China is conservative and look at all the problems they have. Look at the south, no one likes the south but southerners.

"Let's see, go to NYC where I can have fun or Hicksville and get lynched because my tan makes me look like a black man and I sit in the front of the bus."

They are going to NYC by the way....

This man is a complete idiot, he gets a little bit of credibility and from one controversial game and then goes after a game that many anti-gaming people would consider to be a good game. Its not even very detailed, and there are plenty of things outside of the gaming industry that are much worse. What’s worse are some of his accusations such as EA "cooperating, gleefully, with the mod community to turn Sims 2 into a porn offering."

These sorts of mods are everywhere for many games, and even if they’re gone, its just as easy to find sexual images of real people on the internet.

As for still blaming the video game makers for making modding possible, I would have to say that this logic is ridiculous. You might as well get angry at Barbie because you could play with Barbie and Ken and act like they’re having sex. Or to sue Microsoft for creating direct3d and thus allowing programmers to create sex scenes using 3d models.

Jack Thompson has gone after cases claiming that games like gta made people commit violent crimes. Its just an excuse, they’re just screaming GTA made me do it to get off light. These games couldn’t even properly train you to use a gun, as the game doesn’t put other factors into consideration such as the gun weight, and recoil.

What’s worse are all these politicians attempting to benefit from all of this. Just like Hillary using millions of TAX PAYER DOLLARS to launch and investigation on why the sex scene wasn’t part of the games official content… I swear if she does get the democratic nomination for next election, then my first ever vote for president will be libertarian.(Course it might still be anyway)

At least big business is finally on my side. EA, Microsoft, Sony, ATTACK!!!!

[edit on 6-8-2005 by Lethys]

I have a thing on FictionPress.com about the banning of GTA. Jack has been on that series for years. And it's been proven that there is no true nudity or sex in the game. Also, how is EA "cooperating gleefully" with the modders? They have plenty of nude mods for thousands of games.

Hillary Clinton should get some sense knocked into her. Why spend 90 Million of taxpayers money in invesigating GTA:SA? That money could be put into support for the many poor in the USA or get it shipped to Africa. But, no she has to make herself feel important. That money could have been invested in promoting stricter gun laws to avoid the violence in the first place. Hillary herself is a big waste of taxpayer's money, she is one of the most useless people in politics.

FYI Jack Thompson is a crappy lawyer, that has too much time on his hands. He won't win.

this is getting rediculous now gta was a 18 rated game here in the uk and so what if u see a lil nudity? u see more in a legal porn film over here. as for the sims its not like they really go out for hardcore xxx entertainment is it. the content is there but locked for a reason and if you want to download the patch at the end of day is ur choice. i do reckon that games with an 18 or M rating should be more controlled by game shops on the other hand as i know lots of people under the age with copys. but to ban games on content that u can watch on tv is stupid. even more stupid its graphics over proper video ???

Originally posted by GoldEagle
Hillary Clinton should get some sense knocked into her. Why spend 90 Million of taxpayers money in invesigating GTA:SA? That money could be put into support for the many poor in the USA or get it shipped to Africa. But, no she has to make herself feel important. That money could have been invested in promoting stricter gun laws to avoid the violence in the first place. Hillary herself is a big waste of taxpayer's money, she is one of the most useless people in politics.

FYI Jack Thompson is a crappy lawyer, that has too much time on his hands. He won't win.

Actually, strict gun laws don't help at all. They really just harm. What makes people think that if gun laws were stricter, criminals couldn't get there hands on them? Hello? BLACK MARKET, PEOPLE! Gun laws are followed only by law-abiding citizens, disarming them and making it more difficult for them to defend their homes.

I believe this man to have a few screws loose. He attacks not only the games, and companies, but the people that play them. Even when he lost to Janet Reno in '88 for state attorney, he attacked her. He even through GTA in with a quote about Islam.

I have been playing games since I was three, and I am far from mentally ill, mentally deficient, brain damaged, and I am not on drugs.

I think he would be right at home being a lawer in the fifties, and calling everyone a communist.