New Satanic Age???? (Not anti Christian)

-pushes FF-

okay guys, check out Joy of Satan

I base many of my believes on this but hardly all of them.

Originally posted by Tinkleflower
I studied theology for the better part of 20 years (granted, only four years at university level) and taken more than a couple of advanced psych classes dealing with the concept of ritual abuse and the reality therein. This doesn't even touch on my personal experiences.

Yes yes, books are nice. Studying theology myself. I'd like to hear about your personal experiences to compare notes.

I have a question about satanic beliefs. Do people who practice satanism believe in hell? And if so, is it the equivilant of heaven to other religions or is it still a place of pain and despair as written in many other religeous literature?

in the satanic bible it says that hell doesnt exist.... but then again im not satanist so i wouldnt really know

Originally posted by Felt_Marshall
I have a question about satanic beliefs. Do people who practice satanism believe in hell? And if so, is it the equivilant of heaven to other religions or is it still a place of pain and despair as written in many other religeous literature?

What kind of satanism are you asking about? There are about as many branches of Satanism as there are Christan branches. Everything from the pretty much atheistic LaVeyan Satanism, The Temple of Set who believe in an entity called Satan along with other Traditional Satanist groups. Then you have the Psychotic Satanist who are nothing more than a Christian gone mad (the son of sam, Nightstalker and the ilk.)

i dont know anything aobut the different branches of satanism. But perhaps someone could give a brief summarry of some of these branches and their beliefs

Wikipedia has a good outline.

en.wikipedia.org...

But keep in mind that each individual satanist might have their own unique views on any subject.

Sure

Church of Satan - Practitioners believe that you are ultimately and completely responsible for your own actions, thus you are your own redeemer. There is no belief in a deity (as such), and the Church's idea of Satan differs from and predates that of the Christian Church. CoS's Satan represents power, virility and sexuality, and has nothing to do with evil, demons or torture.

Theistic Satanism - Conversely, followers of this group do "follow" a deity-like concept of Satan, as in the more traditional understanding of who and what Satan is. Rituals tend to be the polar opposite of Christian rites, with many shared aspects (such as drinking from the chalice, etc etc).

Church of Set - a group started by Michael Aquino, once a contemporary of LaVey. The group does share similarities with CoS, but there are marked differences also. LaVey's Satanism held that Satan was a symbol or archetype of strength and defiance, while Aquino actually believed in the literal manifestation of the god Satan (or the ancient Egyptian god Set).

"Gothic" Satanism was devised by the Catholic Church in the middle ages; it was this form which was widely used as an excuse for persecution. It's unlikely that anything resembling this is practiced today.

Obligatory Wiki reference: Satanism

A good FAQ on CoS

There's a wealth of information online to peruse; obviously this post only touches on the very fringes of Satanism.

And as with most belief systems, if you ask 10 Satanists to describe their religion/belief, you'll get 15 different answers

Happy Reading!

Look, Satan is a christian concept and those who believe or worship Satan are actually nothing more then christians in denial. Those who follow Satan are actually following the christian path, they're just too stupid to realize it.

It is not the path that makes one holy. They must make the path holy, regardless of the path they have chosen.

The religion you follow is about as important as the shampoo you use. Sometimes you look really cut, other times you look like your hair was styled in a hurricane.

Life is not about religion, It never has been. Its about the decisions you make in your life. Will you be the sunshine that all flowers love? Or will you be the rain that makes the flowers grow?

It's up to you.

Love and light,

Wupy

... ok uh... weve gone off topic just a lil bit... i was asking if anybody had any proof ov a new satanic age or anything like that

Originally posted by russiankid
... ok uh... weve gone off topic just a lil bit... i was asking if anybody had any proof ov a new satanic age or anything like that

And there was I thinking...."If you want to see if there's a Satanic age...you first need to know what Satanism is and what it involves..."

Silly me

uh... ok srry im really slow and cant understand anything without ppl explaining it to me

Originally posted by russiankid
... ok uh... weve gone off topic just a lil bit... i was asking if anybody had any proof ov a new satanic age or anything like that

Okie Dokie!
Now that everyone has sounded off on Religious Satanism and all that junk, I will settle your mind.

There will be no Satanic Age, just as there really has never been a Christian, Bhuddist, Moslem, Jewish, Blanky, Puptent, Spam or any other "age"!

Get a grasp on reality kid, recognise that those people are so desperate for a handle, a small grip of control in their feeble little lives that they will do anything to set themselves apart from the masses. The more shocking the better within limitations, just so that they can feel a little self power.

You want power? "First you gets the money..."

Originally posted by mrwupy
Those who follow Satan are actually following the christian path, they're just too stupid to realize it.

I think this is a gross underestimation of the knowledge, experience and intelligence of a typical Satanist. What's more of a sad condition than ignorance is calling others ignorant without a true understanding of what they know.

u mean stupid ppl like Aleister Crowley who do heroin and make stuff up??

Just want to correct you there, for u to summarise crowley in such away shows ur ignorance of the topic. Yes he was a heroin addict in his later years, but there was much more to his life than that.

Originally posted by saint4God

Originally posted by Tinkleflower
There's no evidence of human sacrifices relating to any real Satanic cult/group/religion, and the "Satanic ritual abuse" myth has been debunked several hundred times.

Would you like me to give you directions to where they meet?

Yes, I would. I believe you saint4God and I agree with your postings.
However, it would both be interesting and educational for you to post
information on these groups. Are they isolated or worldwide? Their
estimated numbers of adherents? Their beliefs ... as in sacrifice a human
once a lifetime, once a year, once a month, what?? You seem to be
well educated in this area and I look forward to hearing the information
that you have. Thanks.

Originally posted by wang
Just want to correct you there, for u to summarise crowley in such away shows ur ignorance of the topic. Yes he was a heroin addict in his later years, but there was much more to his life than that.

yea yea... i know... his book ov lies and book of the law are kinda wierd though... i dont really know much about Aleister Crowley and never said that i did... the short summary thing was a joke cuz GrOuNd_ZeRo said that hes a harmless satanist and that the LaVeyian satanists were harmless 2 but its the crazy ppl who are no good...


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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by saint4God
Would you like me to give you directions to where they meet?

Yes, I would.

It's two hours drive south for you. Take Route 13 south for just over a hundred miles and you'll come to a city just across the boarder. 13 runs right through it. The abandoned warehouse is near the city park. The one that doesn't go after people is only about 80 miles south. Small town just north of where I grew up. I asked them if they sacked my 2 cats since I saw some guys running through yards now and again, he said no because of the moon phase and time of the month. He said they prefer Hallow's Eve for their big ta-do. Now, further south of the first one I'd mentioned, there's a chuch in the woods they had acquired due to it's abandonment. There they have a little set up with their book on the pulpit. Interesting story behind that one. My sig. other wanted to visit it (I guess as a test of her strength and will to endure the place) but God tells us not to put ourselves in temptation's way or compromise our position.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
I believe you saint4God and I agree with your postings.

Thank you. I don't know what it is about our region, but the influence is stronger here. I'm not as well versed of the cults in this local area.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
However, it would both be interesting and educational for you to post
information on these groups.

I have second-hand information that's been verified. In other words, I had a friend who was very open and candid with me about what he believed and what the group does (he was trying to recruit me at one point). I checked and crossed checked for the accuracy of his information on both sides. Christian and otherwise. Here's the weird thing. You get a Christian and a Satanist together in a room, they won't fight unless they start talking about who's better, God or Satan. Rather if the Satanist is proud of what they know, there will be striking similarities as to what is real and what isn't. If they're both new to their own faith, then they may even be a little frightened of each other.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Are they isolated or worldwide?

I don't know really. I know that it helps to keep cults small and numerous. That helps protect against exposure. Best way to find out is talk to friends in different areas and ask what they know.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Their estimated numbers of adherents?

I believed the second group that my friend was a part of was about 20 or so people. I don't think it was larger like the first one he'd talked about. Larger as in maybe 50 or more. Dunno for sure, didn't actually go though was invited to his group.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Their beliefs ... as in sacrifice a human once a lifetime, once a year, once a month, what?? You seem to be well educated in this area and I look forward to hearing the information
that you have. Thanks.

Idealistically would be to give up one of their own willingly. That way there's no fight, struggle or exposure endangerment. I say this based on a ritual of walking into the fire (bonfire in size). It's said that if you are true in belief that you'd have the honor(?) of meeting Satan himself there and would walk out unburned. He said some had done it and said it was really cool. If you burned, died, whathaveyou, you were weak. Did they take unwilling participants? I don't know. Was it often? I highly doubt it. More than once a year would draw suspicion from local authorities I'm sure. In any case, there'd better be a way to make it look like suicide or an accident else they'd be in some trouble.

Pray, train, study,
God bless.

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Originally posted by saint4God
I say this based on a ritual of walking to the fire. It's said that if you are true in believe that you'd have the honor(?) of meeting Satan himself there and would walk out unburned.

There are christian 'denomiations' that get into a pit of snakes during a mass to test their faith and whether or not god is willing to save them.. whats the difference?

Originally posted by riley
There are christian 'denomiations' that get into a pit of snakes during a mass to test their faith and whether or not god is willing to save them.. whats the difference?

Which denominations do that?

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