Creationism is a myth.....

God created man?? That's a myth! Really. Imagine this yeah...God, with his almighty power, decided to create a species of intelligent beings, put them on earth, then create the devil to oppose him. In addition to that, he allows these beings on earth to do whatever they please, abusing each other, killing each other etc. And all the time he watches??

What does that make god....a voyeur? Sadist?

I think I have a much better explanation. I think humans were created by aliens. There are many theories as to why. Amongst them include genetic experiments for various different reasons. Humans created as slave labour in the past etc.

And these aliens once interacted with humans in the past and even procreated with humans creating a race of giants that caused a lot of grief, when the alien bosses decided to unleash a catastrophe to cleanse the earth (the great flood). There are many more stories about them.

It would make much more sense than this god created the earth theory or even the Darwinian theory of evolution. And the timelines would fit as well.

[edit on 27-7-2005 by hellfire3]

Originally posted by hellfire3
God created man?? That's a myth! Really. Imagine this yeah...God, with his almighty power, decided to create a species of intelligent beings, put them on earth, then create the devil to oppose him. In addition to that, he allows these beings on earth to do whatever they please, abusing each other, killing each other etc. And all the time he watches??

What does that make god....a voyeur? Sadist?

Yes, God with his almighty power did create mankind but even though they were given free will, there was no killing, abusing, etc., going on; that came later. Satan was not created to oppose God. He was created as an archangel, one of the most loved of God; but Satan, whose given name was Lucifer, rebelled against God and led one third of all God's angels in a revolt. Then, Lucifer was cast down to the earth, along with his cohorts and became Satan and his demons.

What does that Make God? Righteous! Just! Holy!, all these things and more. Satan deceived the first inhabitants of the earth and they disobeyed God and were cast out of their paradise... and the rest, as they say, is history. Man still had free will but was not inclined to turn back toward God; and, of course, the Devil has been happy to aid our sinful and disobedient natures, whenever possible.

And these aliens once interacted with humans in the past and even procreated with humans creating a race of giants that caused a lot of grief, when the alien bosses decided to unleash a catastrophe to cleanse the earth (the great flood). There are many more stories about them.

O.K., so, where did the aliens come from? I mean who created them, or did they create themselves? And by what technology did they manage to cover the entire planet, including the highest mountain ranges? Let me know.

Grace and peace,

Lightseeker

I think you missed my point....

Why did god have to create the earth? So that people could serve him? Belive in him? Pray to him? Commit sin? If he was so powerful why did he have to create the earth and the universe?

Is god a little child or something, that created this whole universe as his amusement park, so that he can see the pain in a human's eyes as their family is being blown apart? Come on, don't be naive. God doesn't exist. But aliens....now they do exist. And as to where they came from....well...who knows....maybe we will find out in the future.

If you believe in aliens creating humans all you do is extend the problem. Who created the aliens? At that point it is meaningless to ponder because then it is absolutely impossible to see the begining of time. Aliens do seem like a fun and creative idea, however, I would rather stick to things that have explanations and give me a reason for living. Serving God may seem lame to you, but serving society and money is a concept which seems lame to most people who believe in God.

This is what I think....

Before anything was created, God was there. God was the large mass of energy that would later explode and cause the big bang. Before anything was created though, God had all the information in him. God knew everything, but the problem was he could not experience these things. Soooo God decided to split himself into may different souls, like microsms of himself ( which were our souls and ET souls), after God did that he created the universe (the Big Bang), with Galaxies, solar systems, planets, etc where the souls will later turn into their physical forms so they could experience emotion, science, laws of nature, et cetera, and because the souls were kind of like microsms of God, God would experience the same things as all his souls would...so there, I guess. Bah thats just what I think!



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[edit on 27-7-2005 by Striker122]

Originally posted by hellfire3
God created man?? That's a myth! Really. Imagine this yeah...God, with his almighty power, decided to create a species of intelligent beings, put them on earth, then create the devil to oppose him. In addition to that, he allows these beings on earth to do whatever they please, abusing each other, killing each other etc. And all the time he watches??

Imagine this.
The Almighty God gave us the bible so we would know about Him and why some things are the way they are. But ignorant folk, who either cannot read, or chose to remain ignorant of the contents of the bible, make ignorant statements about the God of the bible...hoping to raise their prestige with themselves by insulting christians...but only come off as fools to those they intend to insult because of their ignorance

I believe Science will sooner or later answer the question of how matter today exists in the form we find it today. Science is like a bus taking a circuitous route that will lead to a point where Religion has been waiting patiently all along for us to continue the journey ahead. That said, I feel the real questions that need to be answered are the nature and creation of consciousness, intellect and emotions. Matter can be explained away as the specific combination of atoms and sub-atomic particles. But how do we account for that 'spark of life' within us? Who gave us our intellect and what is an 'emotion'? What is this amazing alliance between the soul and the mind?

Maybe God just rolled the dice and our existence is an outcome of that primordial action. He willed an all-pervading consciousness into existence... a consciousness that is an elaborate panorama of possibilities, both physical and spiritual. We may have been created by a superior alien race. But our existence is seemingly of no importance from the infinite universe's standpoint. Then why have we been put on this earth..for what purpose?

I have no answers to these questions. I believe there is a power transcending everything in this material universe. That power is the reason we are here.

Originally posted by chieftain
... That said, I feel the real questions that need to be answered are the nature and creation of consciousness, intellect and emotions. Matter can be explained away as the specific combination of atoms and sub-atomic particles. But how do we account for that 'spark of life' within us? Who gave us our intellect and what is an 'emotion'? What is this amazing alliance between the soul and the mind?

emphasis added

Alright, we can explain away matter as specific combinations of atoms and sub-atomic particles. Accepting that as a given, where did the atoms and sub-atomic particles come from? We account for that spark of life in reading Genesis 2:7 7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."

Maybe God just rolled the dice and our existence is an outcome of that primordial action. He willed an all-pervading consciousness into existence... a consciousness that is an elaborate panorama of possibilities, both physical and spiritual. We may have been created by a superior alien race. But our existence is seemingly of no importance from the infinite universe's standpoint. Then why have we been put on this earth..for what purpose?

Even Albert Einstein, said, "God does not play dice." God didn't will an all-pervading consciousness into existence, He is an all-pervading consciousness who knows all that will ever happen and has the power to create, to destroy, to love, and to forgive. The supperior alien race brings up the same problem that occurs when you talk about atoms: where did the aliens come from? They certainly did not create themselves.

May I say, our existence has enormous meaning from the standpoint of the universe; God created it and He created us and one day we will rule the Earth and the Universe with Him, if we have become children and sons of God, through Jesus Christ.

We have been put on Earth for a great purpose; read the Gospels( the first four books of the New Testament) and then Revelations. It is all spelled out for you there.

I have no answers to these questions. I believe there is a power transcending everything in this material universe. That power is the reason we are here.

Read the Bible and pray over what you read; the answers to your questions are there. You are right, that power is why we are here. That "Power" is God, Himself.

May God Bless you,

Lightseeker

If you ask the question 'where did the alien race come from?'...it is an unending loop until you come up with the answer 'god'. But then again, I think it's one of those trap questions. On the other hand....why couldn't we say that aliens developed through evolution (Darwin)?

Originally posted by jake1997
Imagine this.
The Almighty God gave us the bible so we would know about Him and why some things are the way they are. But ignorant folk, who either cannot read, or chose to remain ignorant of the contents of the bible, make ignorant statements about the God of the bible...hoping to raise their prestige with themselves by insulting Christians...but only come off as fools to those they intend to insult because of their ignorance

You used a derivative of the word 'ignorant' four times in one sentence to reference the "fools" that insult you by not sharing your vivid imagination. Oh the irony.

Now you imagine this. Those "fools" likely can read. And that's the problem...for you.

God gave us the creation myth, huh? Told it to Moses 3,500 years ago who passed it down orally until someone finally got the bright idea to write the Berei#h down.

Meanwhile, "God" was giving creation stories quite different from the Jewish dust and rib boneTM version all over the planet to people that actually could read and write... and did.

But your ignorance of the contents of the Vedas, or Upanishads, or Popol Vuh, or Pangu are excusable why exactly? 'Cause your God told the Jews the "right" creation myth. I see.

You know, you seem to think people just haven't read the Bible. Like it's so blisteringly obviously True, everyone should accept it at face value and ignore all evidence to the contrary. And if they don't, then they're the ignorant ones.

They don't call it blind faith because your eyes are wide open. And you're wrong in assuming most people that overtly refute the Bible haven't studied it. As a matter of fact, I'd wager most people (not all) that blindly accept it AS True have studied it far less than most (but not all) agnostics, atheists, existentialists and otherly spiritual people of good conscience that weigh the evidence, make a journey and decide NOT to be Christian.

It's not like people don't have the option of conversion shoved in their face at every turn. You've got that whole marketing campaign called witnessing going, putting your clients to work for you, berating (or conquering) those who won't submit, and it's been super successful so far. Good for you.

But refusing capitulation is not ignorance. And though it may well be your job to convert people. It's not the job of 5/6th of the world's population to be converted. If someone doesn't want to read your pamphlet on great values in aluminum siding, they aren't ignorant for refusing. And they can still be of the opinion ALUMNINUM SIDING SUCKS!

The only people that really and I mean really need a lot more Bible study are the witnessing Christians. And they could stand to pick up some other books once in a while too.

Creationism stories (all of them from every single ancient culture), are definitional myths Jake. If you're really the learned ChristianTM you say you are, then you know the origin of the original Greek "Mythos" and "Logos" (with which I hope you're familiar) are much more similar than not. It's not necessarily bad to believe in myths, but they are still mythos. And they have a context (indeed the entire world does) too often ignored by so called "well read" ChristiansTM.

Before you go off once more on your "non-Christians can't read" or 'RANT hates Jesus' diatribes as you have before, recognize this... Christians don't piss me off. You piss me off. When you're wrong and corrected, it's not an affront to your faith. It's an assault on your laziness and erroneous accusations. Believe it or not, not only was this world not created for YouTM, but neither was this forum. If it pleases the martyr in you to continue playing the "con" in topics you find so deplorable as to make your skin crawl, do so. But the only person making a "Fool" of themselves in this forum dedicated to the conspiracy "seeking to diminish or replace a widely accepted scientific topic with one of pure philosophy" are the conspirators that constantly seek to preach, pray, witness, post scripture and call everyone else in this forum ignorant.

Here's your forum to do that. In fact, here's YOUR website where you get to call people that don't agree with you "fools" all day, because lo and behold everyone has to agree with you to even join! Gee, sounds like your very own version of Anti-Catholicism ChristianityTM Jake2.0 doesn't it?

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And hellfire3, by definition alien intervention is a myth too. All intelligent design "theories" (aka stories) are myths. A mythos (not a negative word) is simply a story or collection of stories reflective of a culture (in your case presumably the culture of UFOlogists) about where we came from, how we've handled hardship, where we're going, the history of the 'Gods,' legendary mortals, our morals, and a thousand other things pervasively influential, but not necessarily True. The worlds of Tolkien (LOTR) and Roddenberry (Star Trek) are modern examples of mythos creations, and extremely influential in their own rights. As such the world is full of Trekkies, role playing geeks, alien enthusiasts and Christians, each entitled to their beliefs, none better than the other, and none an Absolute. It's supreme arrogance on anyone's part to say their culture is Truth and all others ignorant, but some people are just supremely arrogant.

Yes creation is a myth played over and over by every civlization in the world.

The other civilizations may not have a bible to prove that is true, but they have their own evidences of their roots and acient beginings.

Originally posted by marg6043
The other civilizations may not have a bible to prove that is true, but they have their own evidences of their roots and acient beginings.

I just listed examples of sacred texts, some written well before a wandering nomadic tribe of story tellers ever held a pen. Not that writing a mythos down proves anything. Which is the point. All cultures have them, lots wrote them down. The dust and rib bone special isn't... (special).

Can you prove that creationism is a myth beyond completely and beyond a shadow of a doubt? Can you prove that aliens exist? Again, what is "life?" How did life occur? Why did it occur? Why isn't there just a mass of particles and energy? How does life come into the equation?


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hellfire3,

are you saying that you think the stories from the bible are partically true then? (the great flood)

I just thought that was an interesting twist on your alien theory.

God is called the "Heavenly Father". So why do we have children? they are a burden to couples; they take emotional effort, time, and money. And they dont always do what is best for them, or make the right decisions. Yet i dont know how many parents regret having children. They brought their children into this earth and they love them, for good or bad, and they only hope that their children will love them in return.

Now how would that be so different from how God treats his sons and daughters? I dont think God created the earth sadistically. He just wanted to bring love into a place, but knew he couldnt force his children to love him, just like a parent cant force their child.

---Pineapple

We are all the result of a gigantic cosmic fart.....the conditions were just right, the moons were in Saturn and the Planets were in Virgo....


And the beans were warm.

Pineapple....I think you're missing the point here....if god is omnipotent and so powerful, why would he need to create his 'children' in the first place? Why? To serve him? Pray to him? Believe in him? Fight the devil? (which he created as well....regardless of what the religious people say....if god created everything, he created the devil as well!!) What's the purpose of this all? For a little bit of fun maybe? Like a schoolyard bully smiting ants with his magnifying glass???

Originally posted by hellfire3
Pineapple....I think you're missing the point here....if god is omnipotent and so powerful, why would he need to create his 'children' in the first place? Why? To serve him? Pray to him? Believe in him? Fight the devil? (which he created as well....regardless of what the religious people say....if god created everything, he created the devil as well!!) What's the purpose of this all? For a little bit of fun maybe? Like a schoolyard bully smiting ants with his magnifying glass???

If this is the point, then moving to Faith, Spirituality & Theology debate as a theological debate over the validity of "Creationism."

Originally posted by RANT

Originally posted by jake1997
Imagine this.
The Almighty God gave us the bible so we would know about Him and why some things are the way they are. But ignorant folk, who either cannot read, or chose to remain ignorant of the contents of the bible, make ignorant statements about the God of the bible...hoping to raise their prestige with themselves by insulting Christians...but only come off as fools to those they intend to insult because of their ignorance

You used a derivative of the word 'ignorant' four times in one sentence to reference the "fools" that insult you by not sharing your vivid imagination. Oh the irony.

No. Those are your words. I said that He made ignorant statements about God which proved He is ignorant of what the God of the bible says, claims, is.

It's supreme arrogance on anyone's part to say their culture is Truth and all others ignorant, but some people are just supremely arrogant.

And that is EXACTLY the way darwinists are. Look at the opening post in this thread for proof.
Thank you for making my point for me. Read the opening post again and you will see all of that.

Originally posted by jake1997

It's supreme arrogance on anyone's part to say their culture is Truth and all others ignorant, but some people are just supremely arrogant.

And that is EXACTLY the way darwinists are. Look at the opening post in this thread for proof.
Thank you for making my point for me. Read the opening post again and you will see all of that.

There's no such thing as "Darwinists" and this thread (of which the contents you appear to be ignorant) is some goofy speculation about aliens creating a race of giants to breed humans as an alternative to the goofy speculation God did it.

You trying to make it about something else that also doesn't exist ("Darwinists") proves a point of supreme arrogance alrighty, but not the one you're trying to make.

Originally posted by RANT

Originally posted by jake1997

It's supreme arrogance on anyone's part to say their culture is Truth and all others ignorant, but some people are just supremely arrogant.

And that is EXACTLY the way darwinists are. Look at the opening post in this thread for proof.
Thank you for making my point for me. Read the opening post again and you will see all of that.

There's no such thing as "Darwinists"

even neo-darwinists

and this thread (of which the contents you appear to be ignorant)

Starts off by bashing God and the creation story...something that you appear to be ignorant of. Let me help your memory

God, with his almighty power, decided to create a species of intelligent beings, put them on earth, then create the devil to oppose him.

That is nothing but pure ignorance of what the bible teaches.
Point made.


The term darwinist did not come into it until you made the statement


quote:

It's supreme arrogance on anyone's part to say their culture is Truth and all others ignorant, but some people are just supremely arrogant.


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