Avian Influenza (Bird Flu) Links and Discussion Threads

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[edit on 2-8-2005 by phoenixhasrisin]

Four people have been infected by a pig-borne disease in China's south and one has died, the government said Monday, one day after an epidemic in another part of the country was declared under control.


The infections were reported in four different areas in Guangdong province, the official Xinhua News Agency said, citing information released by the provincial government.
Pig Borne Illness

Fred is this Pig thing something that could spread worldwide quickly or would it take time to spread?

I have been watching and reading about the bird flu and have decided I will be buying a bit more than usual of things that store well just in case. I've been away for a week -- really away no tv, no radio, no internet -- have to say it was wonderful - but am trying to catch up with the news on this.

Also have been reading "Lab 257" on Plum Island and it makes you realize how easy it could have been for these emerging diseases to have been lab produced and spread without even trying to spread them as a bio-warfare.

Bird flu spreads to new species Friday, August 26, 2005
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Bird flu spreads to new species Friday, August 26, 2005 Updated at 6:18 AM EDT

Associated Press

Hanoi — Bird flu has killed three rare civets born in captivity at a national park in Vietnam, marking the first time the virus has been reported in the species, officials said Friday.

The Owston civets died in late June at the Cuc Phuong National Park, about 120 kilometres south of Hanoi. Samples sent to a lab in Hong Kong came back positive for the H5N1 virus, said Scott Roberton, technical adviser for the civet conservation program at the park.

He said other animals at the park have been tested -- including chickens, rats and other birds -- but none have tested positive for the virus.

“It's another good example of how dangerous this thing is,” Mr. Roberton said. “No animals are ill, no people are ill. We're still trying to figure out where the source was.”

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The civets were not fed any type of poultry, and 20 other civets of the same species in adjacent cages did not become sick, he said. The World Health Organization and Vietnam health officials are expected to test staff and animal keepers to determine if anyone caring for the civets has been infected with bird flu, he said.

Anton Rychener, head of the UN Food and Agriculture Organization and the World Organization for Animal Health in Hanoi, confirmed the results.

Cat-like civets are captured in the wild and served as a delicacy at restaurants in Vietnam and China.

Scientists suspect that SARS, or Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, which killed nearly 800 people worldwide in 2003, was passed to humans from civet cats and other mongoose-like animals sold in live food markets in southern China.

Peter Horby, an epidemiologist for the WHO in Hanoi, said the development would not make people more susceptible to bird flu because humans have less contact with civets than poultry.

“The interesting thing is that it's a new species,” he said. “It continues to surprise.”

Bird flu had previously been found in other mammals, such as cats and tigers.

The virus has killed 61 people regionwide, with the bulk of those deaths in Vietnam. Health experts have repeatedly warned that the world is due for an influenza pandemic that could kill millions and cripple economies. They fear the bird flu virus will mutate and become easily transmitted from person to person. So far, most human cases have been traced back to contact with poultry.

Owston civets are globally threatened and found in southern China, Vietnam and Laos.
Since this happened a while ago, I'm concerned that Vietnam may be going the way of the PRC as far as being forthcomming with reports.

Also have been reading "Lab 257" on Plum Island and it makes you realize how easy it could have been for these emerging diseases to have been lab produced and spread without even trying to spread them as a bio-warfare.

I would not be surprised at all that this new flu is another of the many ways the large powers in this world are working to depopulate the planet. That is, reduce by large numbers (billions) the population, to slow down the population explosion. The depopulation plan was initially written up in a document by Henry Kissinger during the Nixon and Ford administrations. Info on it and the document from Kissinger can be found at this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

There is also information on there about how AIDS has likely been used for the same purpose.

Hey all I came across this link after watching a program on avian flu.
It's called ProMed, it's all emails from health workers around the world, I found it to be facinating and informative.
There is everything from avian flu to marburg hemoragic fever there and what is going on in these countries from a medical perspective.
Thought some of you might find it as interesting as I did.

www.promedmail.org...:1000

This is nothing but scare tactics implemented by the government. SARS was said to kill millions yet only a few died.

The flu is the same, only a small percentage, 0.0009%, are dieing compared to 6 billion living. I hate to say it but in it's origin country the people are not as "clean" as most around the world are. By the way most bird species are born with H5N1 to begin with.

This is not meant to hijack this thread but...Every time i see a special on tv about the coming pandemic it most always pushes Tamiflu.

Thats enough for me to dismiss this whole thing as more fearmongering and lets make Rumsfeld some more $$$$$.

Next....

i havent read the posts here but in case no one else has linked it, i found a direct biowarfare link between tamiflu and the dod, with only 15 minutes of google. the names are interesting, feel free to look them up.
gilead sciences (formerly chaired by rumsfeld, a major stockholder) owns the patent to tamiflu. recently (some years ago) gilead sold its intellectual knowledge to a company called isis pharmaceuticals (sp?), who created a subcompany called ibis. ibis runs the ibis tiger project and sells directly to the cdc, homeland security, and daarpa/d.o.d. the v.p. of ibis works with biowarfare projects for the d.o.d. interestingly enough isis' main goal is to develop drugs that GENETICALY block infection from virus and disease, they are heavilly involed in the genome mapping project.

What is truth behind the expansion of bird flu and are the real culprits the poultry industry in the US?

Is the outbreak of bird flu just another opportunity for drug companies and their backers to make a financial killing?

Just two questions that need to be answered and the following article highlights more.

[qiuote] Author Eve Hillary

Bird Flu – Pandemic of Greed

Since my trip I wondered why the first SARS deaths involved Asian scientists working in a biohazard lab with West Nile Virus and bird flu. The bird flu has made its rounds yearly, severely affecting Asian countries where 117 people have allegedly been infected and 60 have allegedly died since 1997. Most deaths occurred in Vietnam, where scientific facilities are barely adequate to make a definitive diagnosis.

Prior to 1997, the wild bird flu was a rare and relatively mild virus affecting only birds. The first case of bird flu affecting a human appeared in Asia in 1997. Apparently the wild virus had mysteriously changed to H5N1 strain, a variety that could very rarely affect humans when ingesting infected meat or in very close contact with birds. The “high path” H5N1 strain appeared suddenly and has been known to be located in many bio-hazard labs around the world.

Read the rest of the article.

www.newdawnmagazine.com...

Interesting read,

Did they not find through genetic sequence that the 1918 influenze was a bird flu? I'm just not sold that H5N1 is man made, diseases killed millions before and it will happen again. Maybe not in the next year or even the next 100, however it will happen again. The fact that some man made variants have been let loose only increases the odds for lethality.

Ready or Not, Bird Flu Is Coming to America
March 13, 2006 — - In a remarkable speech over the weekend, Secretary of Health and Human Services Michael Leavitt recommended that Americans start storing canned tuna and powdered milk under their beds as the prospect of a deadly bird flu outbreak approaches the United States.

Ready or not, here it comes.

It is being spread much faster than first predicted from one wild flock of birds to another, an airborne delivery system that no government can stop.

The time to stop arguing whether or not this is a farce is over. Even if this was a Gov manufactured virus (which I don't believe it is) has gone out of control. SARS never really went anywhere and although it killed a fair amount of people it just fizzled.

Viruses are tempermental. They will do anything to survive and will find whatever means necessary to do just that. Whether it is bioengineered or by natural means we people are at a brink. It needs only one more mutation before becoming transmissable between people.

If this does get into the US, then anyone with a cough or sniffle will become suspect. People will panic despite the authorities saying it is not yet transmissible. The Gov will impose whatever quarantine necessary to isolate the bird population and that will mean isolating people too.

This means we don't leave our homes until the quarantine is lifted. Stock up! Even if you don't need it in the future it's better to be safe then to be caught with your pants down so to speak.

I agree,

bad places to get caught with your pants down:

rest areas on the highway
sprawl mart


All joking aside h5n1 is here and everywhere. Undeveloped areas have seen a huge increase in infection rates among humans.

Originally posted by IntelRetard
Interesting read,

Did they not find through genetic sequence that the 1918 influenze was a bird flu? I'm just not sold that H5N1 is man made, diseases killed millions before and it will happen again. Maybe not in the next year or even the next 100, however it will happen again. The fact that some man made variants have been let loose only increases the odds for lethality.

Too true but I believe it is the man made variants that are causing the major problem now. There are far too many reports of cross migration and lab accidents for my liking.

It's still a waiting game to see if it ever mutates.
Let's hope it's just for the birds.

U.S. Government's Avian Flu Sites

PandemicFlu.gov
U.S. Government avian and pandemic flu information

Avian Influenza Response
U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID)

Avian Influenza
U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC)

Avian Influenza (Bird Flu)
U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA)

Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS)
U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA)

Avian Influenza Information
National Agricultural Library, U.S. Department of Agriculture

Avian Influenza
U.S. Department of Defense

National Vaccine Program Office
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)

Avian Influenza
U.S.Department of State

Avian Influenza Frequently Asked Questions
Travel.State.Gov, Bureau of Consular Affairs, U.S. Department of State

Avian Flu News
Voice of America

Originally posted by gman55
(This report is for a six (6) year old boy that presented with diarrhea)

Full report: www.cdc.gov...

A patient with H5N1 influenza virus infection was reported to have diarrhea as the initial symptom, which raises the question of whether the gastrointestinal tract may is another site of viral replication and shedding, similar to its function in avian species.

Snip..

Here in Alaska, many species of Asian migratory birds nest
each year. Several thousand native Alaskans still live somewhat
the traditional lifestyle of subsistance. (living off the land)
There have been isolated instances of disease within these
communities. Physical isolation, lack of communications inhibit
public knowledge of these outbreaks.
Compounding the communities exposure to these diseases
is the fact that -no- formal sanitation measures exsist. It is
common practice to simply have a "honey bucket" for human
excrement for each hut (I wouldnt call it a household). The
buckets are often overflowing, children play in it, adults work
in it, fish and game are prepared for consumption in it.
Winters are long, for convience the buckets are simply
dumped wherever deemed convient at the time. Come
springtime, during the brief summer it melts and adds to the
yearly accumulation of human waste in their community.
(Please note I am not trying to be rude or grotesque, simply
revealing the living conditions of these poor native bush
communities).
Many diseases exsist in these bush communities that go
unoticed or much less delt with in any fashion.

>This may be the reason H5N1 can sliently spread....there have been a number of >deaths in India attributed to diarrhea, maybe H5N1 in disguise?

Couldnt agree more.

Attu Bosch
Alaska

I believe that diarrhea could well account for family cluster cases of bird flu.

There're aren't many washing machines in rural Indonesia. Women wash clothes
by hand in large plastic basins or in creeks and rivers.

So when a relative infected with bird flu has diarrhea and stains their clothes
and bedding, it's easy to understand how washing this by hand would expose
to washing women to infection by H5N1.

Incidentally, in case of a bird flu pandemic in developed countries -- if you have
a working washing machine, run an empty load with a cup of chlorine bleach in
the water after you wash a load of bird flu diarrhea-stained clothes.

And of course, wear rubber gloves while handling the dirty clothes and bedding.

there is one possible way to handle viruses,dieases,and flu
my fire thread
too bad fire doesn't work on all diseases

I think the Avian Flu could be a real problem if it ever hits the U.S. I have worked in the healthcare field for more than 15 years and these people have a plan in place if it ever happens. Here is the plan:

They will put all hospitals and clinics on lockdown because they won't be able to handle the consequences. As in any other flu, all it takes is one person infecting a whole bunch of other people, it snowballs from there only this flu is incurable. There will be a MAJOR healthcare crises whereby people will be dying all over the place because it is highly contagious, there isn't a hospital in the U.S. that will be able to handle all the people who start showing the later symtoms that will ultimately lead to death.

I remember seeing a news blip on TV one afternoon (approx 4-5 months ago) about an international flight that landed at an airport in the East........I'm thinking it was NJ, Boston or somewhere. It was from an Asian country and a few passengers had flu symptoms, the quarantined the plane and all the passengers, the CBC was called in. I remember watching the news several days in a row to see if it was covered but there was NOTHING more about this story. ONE short news blip in the middle of the day (breaking news) and then it disappeared. Did anyone else happen to see this short one-time news story?? I was watching MSNBC.