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In fact I not only discussed the topic point, I outright blew it away by virtue of showing you that your dismissal of the RCC is warped and extolled by the very nature that your belief is deeply engrained from theft and fanciful interpretation itself. Without the first Catholic church as matriarch, you either would have no such doctrines to begin with, and were it not for the loathing the ruling king of that part of the world had, you might even be joining be joining the Jewish chorus that Jesus was not the messiah or you might be offering prayer to Mithras.
Originally posted by jake1997
You did not discuss any of the topic points. That is why you missed the point of the topic.
You are absolutely correct, the above is a fallacy, but there can be no logic to it, just as there is no logic that Jesus a Jew, would be put on earth to do away with the very religion within which he was raised and which he espoused. That was done by the Catholic church, and it is that which in fact you believe to be true.
The logical fallacy of it all is this:
Christ, being a jew, came for the jews, and is the continuation of judaism. Christ was believed by jews, followed by jews, worshiped by jews. Then came the gentiles.
Originally posted by jake1997
This topic has come up in many threads.
The secular / atheist part of the world sees the RCC as the voice of christianity. You say christian, they think Pope. 99.9% have no clue of what is in the bible or what the RCC teaches.
The fact is, the doctrine teaches things that are not in the bible, and contrary to the bible.
The Roman Catholic church might possibly have started out as a godly organization. Over time, much has been added to their doctrine that now has it at odds with the bible.
True history as we have proof today dear wo/man does not reside within the book you offer as historical evidence, no matter how you try to claim that archaelogical evidence and preserved written accounts back it, it is not so.
Originally posted by jake1997That part of my original post negates your idea that history is being ignored.
It has everything to do with the thread, unless of course you are a one trick pony; incapable of forming more than one thought at a time; incpable of melding like thoughts or just looking to take some heat off your back because you have been cornered.
Originally posted by jake1997
This has nothing to do with the topic.
Start a new thread.
Originally posted by jake1997
This topic has come up in many threads.
The secular / atheist part of the world sees the RCC as the voice of christianity. You say christian, they think Pope. 99.9% have no clue of what is in the bible or what the RCC teaches.
The fact is, the doctrine teaches things that are not in the bible, and contrary to the bible.
The Roman Catholic church might possibly have started out as a godly organization. Over time, much has been added to their doctrine that now has it at odds with the bible.
Below I will show enough that even the outsider should be able to see. My hope is that some catholics will see, and compare rcc doctrine to the bible, and be blessed.
Mary is born without original sin (makes God a liar Rom 3:10 , Mat 19:17, Rom 3:23, 5:12)
AND
Remained sinnless and a virgin her whole life. (makes God a liar via above verses and Mat 1:25, Gal 1:19, Mat 12:49-50, and more)
THEN
Ascended into Heaven just like Jesus where she took her throne as Queen of Heaven....and is now worshiped in the same manner as Jesus. (see notes at end)
Concerning worship of others besides Christ and God
Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
The two books of Kings must be read to know many of the things referred to in the OT, by the NT.
Ahab married Jezebel, daughter of the king of Sidon. She brought with her, the pagan gods of her father. Baal and Astarte/Ester (Queen of Heaven, mother of God, Perpetual virgin etc ). She started her inquisition and had the prophets of God hunted down and killed until only Elijah remained. 1 KINGS 19:14
Jesus is the bread of life. Eating things sacrificed to idols would be 'listening to a false prophetess' in this case. God calles idolitry, fornication.
You cannot serve two masters.
From the catechism it seems that the rcc has trouble with the concept of the trinity.
509 Mary is truly "Mother of God" since she is the mother of the eternal Son of God made man, who is God himself.
Mother of the Son of God. Not God. Either there is a Trinity, or there is not.
Now, about mary worship
www.vatican.va...
That page is a must read if you want to get a jump start and be ahead of the curve. Already having the bible version of events... On that page you will watch mary evolve from human, to sinless, perpetual virgin, mother of the living God, queen of heaven, mother of you and I.
Keep in mind. Mary was not chosen because she was blessed. She was blessed because she was chosen. Huge difference.
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Now...
May Mary, Gate of Heaven, help us never to forget and never to lose sight of the Heavenly Homeland, the final destination of our pilgrimage here on earth.
from here
Compare to
Joh 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
Joh 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Luk 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
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Watch scripture get twisted
Its also to be noted how they make it look like Mary had a choice. Its very important.
I will leave the bulk of that page to your discernment of scripture and skip right to the prayer at the end
7. To you, Virgin Immaculate, predestined by God above every other creature to be the advocate of grace and model of holiness for his people, today in a special way I renew the entrustment of the whole Church.
Mary is not the advocate of grace.
Jesus is the model of Holiness
The body of CHRIST does NOT trust in MARY.
May you guide your children on their pilgrimage of faith, making them ever more obedient and faithful to the Word of God.
No matter how much you twist it, we are not guided by Mary, helped to be obedient by mary, nor is our faith in Jesus inclreased by mary.
May you accompany every Christian on the path of conversion and holiness, in the fight against sin and in the search for true beauty that is always an impression and a reflection of divine Beauty.
Mary does not accompany us. Nor does Samuel, Saul, or David. Mary does not convert us, nor help us in that. Mary does not help us in the war of the spirit against the flesh. If Beauty is love...then the love that is seen is the love of God, imparted to us through the Holy Spirit, and reflecting Him who sent it. It has nothing to do with Mary.
May you obtain peace and salvation for all the peoples. May the eternal Father, who desired you to be the immaculate Mother of the Redeemer, also renew in our time through you, the miracles of his merciful love. Amen!
Mary cannot obtain salvation for you. Mary was not born without sin (immaculate) nor did she remain sinless (no not one). God does not work through Mary, but through the Holy Spirit. Mercy is straight from God.
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Call For Special Prayers
13. We ask you, Venerable Brothers, to make known Our wishes and Our urgent pleas to the faithful entrusted to your care, in whatever way you deem most suitable. We also ask that you make provisions for special prayers in every diocese and parish during the month of May; in particular, on the feast of the Queenship of Mary, let there be solemn public prayer for the intentions We have mentioned.
14. You should know that We are relying particularly on the prayers of children and those suffering affliction, for their pleas have special power to penetrate heaven and soften God's justice. Since this is a perfect occasion, do not fail to put repeated emphasis on the recitation of the Rosary, the prayer so pleasing to Our Lady and so often recommended by the Roman Pontiffs. It affords the faithful an excellent means of complying effectively and pleasingly with our divine Master's command: "Ask, and it shall be given to you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you. " (2).
Pray to Mary. Encourage the children to pray to mary.
Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
Notice the note 2 at the end. It points you to Mat 7:7
What is not pointed to is
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it
Not in Marys name. Not TO Mary.
TO God
In Jesus name.
You cannot serve two masters.
There is much more. Id like to make this a comprehensive listing for easy referrence, so please feel free to help out. Its important to make the distinction between what is thought to be from Christ, and what is 'said' or credited to Christ.
Correct! however, Christians do not want to know that which does not corroborate their fairy tale.
Originally posted by Lordling>There were three who always walked with the Lord: Mary, his mother, >and her sister, and Magdalene, the one who was called his companion. >His sister and his mother and his companion were each a Mary.